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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Pete2k

Looks like they've cancelled today's EI111 jfk flight from Shannon and sent the 757 to Dublin to cover the Newark flight... except for the 100 or so being sent to a hotel

Tenger

Marcusm wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by the Midwest but the denizens of those cities would likely Lynch you if you described them as being in the midwest.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I wasnt sure how to describe that area. "West of the MidWest" or "Inland of the West Coast"

flange888

@Locker10a might be as a result of one of the A320's gone tech during such busy period

Third_Echelon

goingnowhere wrote: »

I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it

It has been a -300 on the route for a good while with a -200 every so often (every tuesday?).

Locker10a

Anyone know why a Titan 737 was operating flights to LGW today

Marcusm

Tenger wrote: »

I looked at the wEI route map on their website this morning, definitely a big gap in the Mid-West. Either one of Denver, Dallas or Houston would plug that hole.
Of course this methodology is purely visual!!!

Not sure what you mean by the Midwest but the denizens of those cities would likely Lynch you if you described them as being in the midwest. Denver and Dallas are both AA hubs.

Pat Dunne

joeysoap wrote: »

cabin crew don’t like FNH and FNJ as their rest area is facing the toilets with the result their rest is disrupted.

Ah yes another wonderful case of a desk bound planner making arrangements for Crew. Without any prior consultation and knowledge of how an aircraft works. It always warms the cockles of my heart to know that these clowns are on the big bucks!

joeysoap

cabin crew don’t like FNH and FNJ as their rest area is facing the toilets with the result their rest is disrupted.

goingnowhere

FNH & FNJ are not fitted
GAJ & GCF are fitted a seat 4 less in Y as a result to allow for the access door

HTCOne

goingnowhere wrote: »

I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it

Do FNH & FNJ have the underfloor crew rests fitted?

goingnowhere

I'd imagine SFO will be made a -300 route
The issue with the -300 is only 2 have crew rests and some paperwork would be required on the other two new hulls to raise the MTOW as its cheaper on ATC costs to register a lower MTOW, if you are never going to use it

Karl8415

The 330’s have advanced so much since I worked with them because if you look at the likes of ( gcf gaj ) their MTOW is 242T,when I was there EI had ( JFK-CRK-SHN etc and their MTOW was 215T,that’s some difference so if freight was strong enough you could see them sticking 300’s on the routes and not 200’s,I remember in between EI-LAX and EI-EWR arrival into the fleet when they first started lax,EI-LAX went tech and they had to send SHN out to lax but it had to stop in buffalo if memory serves me right,so the new generation 300’s must be a great money earner for EI

Karl8415

Denver has raised its head a few times over the years as a possible destination,if I’m not mistaken I think I read before somewhere where they said cargo links would be strong on that route if it ever came on the network,so you never know,not so long ago Willie Walsh said during interview that he can see EI going east but he felt until freight carriage was sufficient then they wouldn’t,so there revenue with fright must be high

Tenger

I looked at the wEI route map on their website this morning, definitely a big gap in the Mid-West. Either one of Denver, Dallas or Houston would plug that hole.
Of course this methodology is purely visual!!!

Karl8415

Just been going though the internet to see what’s been said on those new TA routes due to be announced by EI and the 3 that keep coming up is Pittsburgh - Pennsylvania and Montreal,however one quote mentions a possible city in the mid west but again I’ve only read this and these are not confirmed by any solid source

[Deleted User]

Tenger wrote: »

The article quotes WW saying "2-3 weeks". That might be an optimistic estimate though.

I think previously when something similar was stated it ended up being the equivalent in months rather than weeks.

Tenger

Skuzchad wrote: »

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Anybody know when they might announce the new routes for 2019 ??

The article quotes WW saying "2-3 weeks". That might be an optimistic estimate though.

smurfjed

Yep but these things are usually decided during contract negotiations as they cost money.

Locker10a

trellheim wrote: »

Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.

What on earth does that mean, they are airplanes . They take people places. If they are TATL there will likely be expensive seats up the front. There; thats most of the job done.

A little bit more than that goes into it, seats, cabin layout, position of toilets and galleys, gallery layout, including ovens and stowages etc these are all things Airlines can customise and must decide on when they’re receiving brand new aircraft from a manufacturer, among a list of probably one hundred other things

trellheim

Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.

What on earth does that mean, they are airplanes . They take people places. If they are TATL there will likely be expensive seats up the front. There; thats most of the job done.

basill

Or throw their weight around with the DAA. There is no point in being the largest operator at your home base if it cannot be used to your advantage.

[Deleted User]

Bussywussy wrote: »

13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...

As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.

Like every rumour always take with with a truck load of salt. No timescale on deliveries.

Yes there is capacity available but not at peak times. Peak times are at capacity and there is lulls in traffic still. It requires EI to actually schedule more TAs later in the afternoon and evening than they currently do to avail of them.

Skuzchad

Bussywussy wrote: »

13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...

As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.

Hopefully a southern city like Houston,Dallas or maybe New orleans or something .would love a direct service to Houston to visit friends .

Anybody know when they might announce the new routes for 2019 ??

HTCOne

Airbus shelved studies for an A322 with larger wings and stretched fuselage as a direct result of the engine issues in order to try increase production to reduce the backlog. They’re also doing a study on building a 5th final assembly line in Malaysia.

Both engines on offer for the NEO (Pratt GTF and CFM Leap) suffered severe problems upon entry into service, ETOPS certification was removed from one due a number of failures in flight and the other required 90 minute turnarounds to cool down enough to operate the next flight, can’t remember which was which though. The assembly lines ground to a standstill while these problems were fixed.

WW is on record with his displeasure at the delay in BA receiving NEOs, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s seriously turning the screw on Airbus right now for discounts on new frames, he walked away from an order for more A380s for BA earlier in the year also.

kevinandrew

Tenger wrote: »

basill wrote: »

........A321s won't be ready till October 2019 at the earliest in which case probably kicked into touch till the following summer as no demand for them over the winter..........

That’s a pretty bad delay for what isn’t a radical redesign of an existing frame.
Was delivery to EI planned for April/May?
Any idea on the reason for the delay, I had read about it online but can’t recall if a reason was given.

The aircraft were always Q2 delivery dates so you are correct in saying April/May arrivals, the latest rumour I'd heard was this had slipped by two months so at worst we were looking at July/August so not sure where October at the earliest has come from but it wouldn't surprise me.

The issues relate to the engine manufactures not delivering units fast enough to Airbus, this resulted in numerous "gliders" sitting around Toulouse fully painted and ready to go but just waiting for engines. Apparently this issue has eased considerably in recent weeks...

Aer Lingus is currently refining the service and product design for the A321LR aircraft.

Tenger

basill wrote: »

........A321s won't be ready till October 2019 at the earliest in which case probably kicked into touch till the following summer as no demand for them over the winter..........

That’s a pretty bad delay for what isn’t a radical redesign of an existing frame.
Was delivery to EI planned for April/May?
Any idea on the reason for the delay, I had read about it online but can’t recall if a reason was given.

Van.Bosch

Tenger wrote: »

Bloody hell.
They have 12/13 in service now?

The ROIC at Aer Lingus is by far the strongest in the IAG group from today’s results, this is been driven by TATL so I could see IAG backing them. 3 or 4 plus the A321’s does sound like a lot though.

Jamie2k9

Second hand A330 market should mean good deals with A350 deliveries taking place to major carriers. Would expect 300 is what they want not 200.

john boye

Tenger wrote: »

Bloody hell.
They have 12/13 in service now?

Some would surely be replacements if it's that many?

Bussywussy

Tenger wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

4 more 330’s according to rumours floating around

Bloody hell.
They have 12/13 in service now?

13 I think.....jesus 4!!! I haven't heard that...I heard deffo 1 so far and 2nd isn't gauranteed,they are not Qatar machines either...

As for routes...usual rumours apply Dallas,Denver,Montreal and Minneapolis.