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yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 11:29AM

Undividual wrote: »

mariaalice wrote: »

Undividual wrote: »

Try get 19 atheists to blow themselves up.

19 atheists will blow themselves up for nationalism, republicanism, political beliefs, tribalism and so on without a trace of religious belief.

An example motivated by some sort of Marxist gobbly gook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_German_Embassy_siege

Again, not a like-for-like example. The 9/11 hijackers knew beforehand that they had no chance of survival. They willingly embraced their deaths. The above example seems to suggest that the attackers would have escaped/tried to escape if their demands were met.

If their demands were met and they blew up the embassy anyway after their demands were met, they would make it less likely for authorities to deal with terrorists in the future.

Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise,

keffiyeh · 03-08-2018 11:29AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

keffiyeh wrote: »

Yes there's no difference in that situation, it's especially not true that it's almost entirely flipped in terms of power dynamics, right? I think this may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen.

relax chief, twas a joke.

A joke (if you say so) with an incredibly dumb agenda.

Undividual · 03-08-2018 11:31AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise,

How specifically are you measuring bad and good in this case?

hawkwing · 03-08-2018 11:36AM

The amount of publicity dog shyte gets whereas cat shyte is a much more serious matter. It is one of the greatest evils,just walk in both and smell your shoes,may as well throw away the "cat" one

suicide_circus · 03-08-2018 11:44AM

keffiyeh wrote: »

A joke (if you say so) with an incredibly dumb agenda.

this is after hours not The Guardian comments section. calm yourself.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 11:45AM

Undividual wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise,

How specifically are you measuring bad and good in this case?

Its an instrument of control , Starter of more wars than anything on this planet,
Look at recent times thousands upon thousands of people have died because of religion in just the last 20 years and it shows no sign of letting up when its a made up nonsense,
Then there is the sexual abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse off women of Islamic faiths , the list is really endless.
Only someone brain washed by a religion would think its been good for the planet ,

Its all nonsense

7aubzxk43m2sni · 03-08-2018 11:52AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its an instrument of control , Starter of more wars than anything on this planet,
Look at recent times thousands upon thousands of people have died because of religion in just the last 20 years and it shows no sign of letting up when its a made up nonsense,
Then there is the sexual abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse off women of Islamic faiths , the list is really endless.
Only someone brain washed by a religion would think its been good for the planet ,

Its all nonsense

Judaism and Christianity are the foundations of the entire civilisation of the west. To say it should never have existed and that it's all ridiculous nonsense is not a logical position to take.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 12:10PM

Elle Modern Salt wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its an instrument of control , Starter of more wars than anything on this planet,
Look at recent times thousands upon thousands of people have died because of religion in just the last 20 years and it shows no sign of letting up when its a made up nonsense,
Then there is the sexual abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse off women of Islamic faiths , the list is really endless.
Only someone brain washed by a religion would think its been good for the planet ,

Its all nonsense

Judaism and Christianity are the foundations of the entire civilisation of the west. To say it should never have existed and that it's all ridiculous nonsense is not a logical position to take.

There was civilisation before Christianity , there would have been Civilisation without,
The idea that people in this day and age follow books written thousands of years ago that more than likely are all made up fairy tales word to word is utterly crazy,
Scientology is the perfect example of how crazy and stupid religion is and as its fairly recent so its great example.,
Its was made up by a man who wrote more sci-fi books than anyone on the planet ,He was also a man who got discharged from the navy as he wouldn't stop "touching himself" ,
It now has 14 million followers world wide,
It goes to show how stupid and easy led people can be,
Religion is and always has been nonsense,

Cookie_Monster · 03-08-2018 12:15PM

Elle Modern Salt wrote: »

This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in my life

why?

Judaism and Christianity are the foundations of the entire civilisation of the west. To say it should never have existed and that it's all ridiculous nonsense is not a logical position to take.

again why? just because it may have been relevant in the past does not mean it is not wrong. The US was built on slavery....

NIMAN · 03-08-2018 12:29PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There was civilisation before Christianity , there would have been Civilisation without,
The idea that people in this day and age follow books written thousands of years ago that more than likely are all made up fairy tales word to word is utterly crazy,
Scientology is the perfect example of how crazy and stupid religion is and as its fairly recent so its great example.,
Its was made up by a man who wrote more sci-fi books than anyone on the planet ,He was also a man who got discharged from the navy as he wouldn't stop "touching himself" ,
It now has 14 million followers world wide,
It goes to show how stupid and easy led people can be,
Religion is and always has been nonsense,

Agree.

I love the people who cry out for Scientology to be banned, not allowed to build places of worship etc, cos its dangerous and a load of old nonsense, whilst at the same time following a religion themselves.

keffiyeh · 03-08-2018 12:32PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

keffiyeh wrote: »

A joke (if you say so) with an incredibly dumb agenda.

this is after hours not The Guardian comments section. calm yourself.

Your posts are such a waste of server space, nothing but hot air. Spare us, edgelord.

PlaneSpeeking · 03-08-2018 12:43PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Agree.

I love the people who cry out for Scientology to be banned, not allowed to build places of worship etc, cos its dangerous and a load of old nonsense, whilst at the same time following a religion themselves.

Yes but aside from a few cents in the collection plate which are voluntary - being Catholic doesn't cost me hundreds of thousands!

Plus I haven't been to Mass in a few weeks and my best mate is an atheist, yet to see the Parish Priest come round to threaten me!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-08-2018 12:45PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise,

Not at all. Firstly since all cultures have had some religion it looks like a belief in the supernatural is inate. Secondly the claim that religion is a cause of most wars isn’t empirically solid.

PlaneSpeeking · 03-08-2018 12:47PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not at all. Firstly since all cultures have had some religion it looks like a belief in the supernatural is inate. Secondly the claim that religion is a cause of most wars isn’t empirically solid.

Ah let them have their little rant! Those of us who believe in God can smile along knowing that if we're wrong, then nothing. If THEY are wrong however, there's a very pissed off deity waiting!!!

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 12:58PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not at all. Firstly since all cultures have had some religion it looks like a belief in the supernatural is inate. Secondly the claim that religion is a cause of most wars isn’t empirically solid.

Ah let them have their little rant! Those of us who believe in God can smile along knowing that if we're wrong, then nothing. If THEY are wrong however, there's a very pissed off deity waiting!!!I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator , The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not ,,

I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator ,

The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate

As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not ,

,

7aubzxk43m2sni · 03-08-2018 01:14PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator ,

The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate

As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not ,

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Religions evolved from people trying to understand the world and their existence.

Bureaucracy and power also grew and power corrupts, and as a result, those within the institutions used their power/influence to control and manipulate people.

We see this clearly in the actions of corporations today.

This does not mean that every church should be torn down and religions should be done away with as some fanciful stories we told ourselves in the "unenlightened times".

Comparisons to scientology do not hold any weight.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 02:09PM

Elle Modern Salt wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator ,

The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate

As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not ,

,

Religions evolved from people trying to understand the world and their existence.

Bureaucracy and power also grew and power corrupts, and as a result, those within the institutions used their power/influence to control and manipulate people.

We see this clearly in the actions of corporations today.

This does not mean that every church should be torn down and religions should be done away with as some fanciful stories we told ourselves in the "unenlightened times".

Comparisons to scientology do not hold any weight.

Why do they hold no weight ? Its just proves people will follow anything ,
People believing in god or anything is fine
But Religion is to set certain laws around your believes to simply control and constrict you ,
Religion has and always will be an instrument of control

PlaneSpeeking · 03-08-2018 02:11PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why do they hold no weight ? Its just proves people will follow anything ,
People believing in god or anything is fine
But Religion is to set certain laws around your believes to simply control and constrict you ,
Religion has and always will be an instrument of control

Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50.

Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 02:21PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why do they hold no weight ? Its just proves people will follow anything ,
People believing in god or anything is fine
But Religion is to set certain laws around your believes to simply control and constrict you ,
Religion has and always will be an instrument of control

Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50.

Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.

Ok where do we start,
Here's a quick list of things opposed by the Catholic church that would have bettered its people
[*]1944 – Tampons (may arouse women)
[*]1950 – Mother & Child Scheme
[*]1970 – Studying at Trinity College
[*]1973 – Married women in the Civil Service
[*]1985 – Contraception
[*]1986 – Divorce
[*]1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality
[*]1996 – Divorce
[*]2005 – Ferns report into child abuse
[*]2010 – Civili Partnerships
[*]2013 – Abortions if mother’s life was at risk
[*]2015 – Equal Marriage
[*]2018 – Abortion
They still control 80 % of Primary schools. not baptised cant get in ,
Used the positions of power to control abused children for years ,
Its endless,

PlaneSpeeking · 03-08-2018 02:41PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ok where do we start,
Here's a quick list of things opposed by the Catholic church that would have bettered its people
[*]1944 – Tampons (may arouse women)
[*]1950 – Mother & Child Scheme
[*]1970 – Studying at Trinity College
[*]1973 – Married women in the Civil Service
[*]1985 – Contraception
[*]1986 – Divorce
[*]1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality
[*]1996 – Divorce
[*]2005 – Ferns report into child abuse
[*]2010 – Civili Partnerships
[*]2013 – Abortions if mother’s life was at risk
[*]2015 – Equal Marriage
[*]2018 – Abortion
They still control 80 % of Primary schools. not baptised cant get in ,
Used the positions of power to control abused children for years ,
Its endless,

I'll pray for you.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 02:45PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ok where do we start,
Here's a quick list of things opposed by the Catholic church that would have bettered its people
[*]1944 – Tampons (may arouse women)
[*]1950 – Mother & Child Scheme
[*]1970 – Studying at Trinity College
[*]1973 – Married women in the Civil Service
[*]1985 – Contraception
[*]1986 – Divorce
[*]1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality
[*]1996 – Divorce
[*]2005 – Ferns report into child abuse
[*]2010 – Civili Partnerships
[*]2013 – Abortions if mother’s life was at risk
[*]2015 – Equal Marriage
[*]2018 – Abortion
They still control 80 % of Primary schools. not baptised cant get in ,
Used the positions of power to control abused children for years ,
Its endless,

I'll pray for you. ;)

I'm all for whatever helps you through life each to there own
but no need to pray for me ,I don't belief in hocus pocus and have all it take's to get through my life without it,

NIMAN · 03-08-2018 02:46PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50.

Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.

I'm nearly 50 and I would say the CC had a controlling influence on my life to date.....maybe getting less so but still influencing it.

I was made to make a first communion, confirmation etc....I was too young to tell my parents I wasn't.

It took me to maybe 16 to stop attending masses.

Then a lot of my schooling was controlled by them as I went to Catholic schools. I had to study RE and Latin, no choice.

Even recently, I had to get my kids baptised to get them into the local schools, otherwise it was a >1hr drive to the nearest Educate Together school, and that wasn't practical. Plus they need to school with friends who live locally.

Their power is diminishing for sure, and nothing would make me happier for it to end, but we are getting there.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 02:53PM

NIMAN wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50.

Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.

I'm nearly 50 and I would say the CC had a controlling influence on my life to date.....maybe getting less so but still influencing it.

I was made to make a first communion, confirmation etc....I was too young to tell my parents I wasn't.

It took me to maybe 16 to stop attending masses.

Then a lot of my schooling was controlled by them as I went to Catholic schools. I had to study RE and Latin, no choice.

Even recently, I had to get my kids baptised to get them into the local schools, otherwise it was a >1hr drive to the nearest Educate Together school, and that wasn't practical. Plus they need to school with friends who live locally.

Their power is diminishing for sure, and nothing would make me happier for it to end, but we are getting there.

Isn't it crazy that some people like to pretend that the church never controlled life in Ireland,

03-08-2018 03:05PM

Religion is responsible for around 8% of wars..

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766?guccounter=1

KevinCavan · 03-08-2018 03:10PM

The trial of Ulster rugby players was a no go area with female staff members, who weren’t open to discussion or debate on the topic.

jmayo · 03-08-2018 03:11PM

Try_harder wrote: »

People should take the https://www.politicalcompass.org test

I'm near Ghandi!

You do know he was racist ?

myshirt wrote: »

Don't tell the Bride Pakistan version was a joke, not a real thing. I think these societies you are referring to are maturing, and when societies mature and develop they don't bring with them these type of abuses.

Maturing a bit like Michael Jackson. :rolleyes:

How come so many from some of these countries persevere with their arranged child marriages even after they have lived in the West for a number of years ?

Shenshen wrote: »

So, just to get my head around this, do you think that there are currently several millions of Syrians living in tent camps in Turkey and Lebanon because... they prefer the views from there?

That would be an unpopular opinion. Particularly in those camps, I would imagine.

Yes there are millions of Syrian refugees in overcrowded ill equipped camps in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey.
And thanks to the so called "do gooders", a lot of which you find around here pontificating about helping refugees, those people will stay in those camps and will stay with poor resources.

Meanwhile the same do-gooders are welcoming in hundreds of thousands of mainly young adult male illegal economic migrants that are making their way across the Med in boats and that are nothing but a drain on resources.

Why do people always conflate economic migrants with refugees ?
And then why do people assume all are Syrian ?

Is it because it just plays better and tugs at the old heart strings ?

I would bet that 99% of those crossing the Med from Libya and North Africa are not Syrian and probably couldn't even find the place on a map.
And most of those are not from warn torn countries either.

And even of those that cross from Turkey it was admitted by the powers that be, including the pro "refugee" ones, that maybe only 60% were from Syria.

Undividual · 03-08-2018 03:11PM

KevinCavan wrote: »

The trial of Ulster rugby players was a no go area with female staff members, who weren’t open to discussion or debate on the topic.

Yeah, absolutely. Incredible how few people believe in innocent before proven guilty.

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 03:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Religion is responsible for around 8% of wars..

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766?guccounter=1

If the details are infact true ,
That 8 % may still be the biggest % of one thing that cause's war .,

yourdeadwright · 03-08-2018 03:24PM

Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to .
One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding ,
I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin ,
Supposedly studies have show generation's of this practise, hugely lower's your IQ, makes people more violent, makes children more prone to still births and other issues, but also has huge factor is it seems to make people more swayed to follow cults and dictation .
Supposedly the Quran encourages it
They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries,
It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes,
It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them

CowGoesMoo100 · 03-08-2018 03:26PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to .
One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding ,
I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin ,
Supposedly studies have show generation's of this practise, hugely lower's your IQ, makes people more violent, makes children more prone to still births and other issues, but also has huge factor is it seems to make people more swayed to follow cults and dictation .
Supposedly the Quran encourages it
They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries,
It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes,
It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them

Gavin McInness? Is that you?

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