Undividual wrote: » mariaalice wrote: » Undividual wrote: » Try get 19 atheists to blow themselves up. 19 atheists will blow themselves up for nationalism, republicanism, political beliefs, tribalism and so on without a trace of religious belief. An example motivated by some sort of Marxist gobbly gook.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_German_Embassy_siege Again, not a like-for-like example. The 9/11 hijackers knew beforehand that they had no chance of survival. They willingly embraced their deaths. The above example seems to suggest that the attackers would have escaped/tried to escape if their demands were met. If their demands were met and they blew up the embassy anyway after their demands were met, they would make it less likely for authorities to deal with terrorists in the future.
mariaalice wrote: » Undividual wrote: » Try get 19 atheists to blow themselves up. 19 atheists will blow themselves up for nationalism, republicanism, political beliefs, tribalism and so on without a trace of religious belief. An example motivated by some sort of Marxist gobbly gook.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_German_Embassy_siege
Undividual wrote: » Try get 19 atheists to blow themselves up.
suicide_circus wrote: » keffiyeh wrote: » Yes there's no difference in that situation, it's especially not true that it's almost entirely flipped in terms of power dynamics, right? I think this may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen. relax chief, twas a joke.
keffiyeh wrote: » Yes there's no difference in that situation, it's especially not true that it's almost entirely flipped in terms of power dynamics, right? I think this may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise,
keffiyeh wrote: » A joke (if you say so) with an incredibly dumb agenda.
Undividual wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » Religion since its inception has done more bad than good, You'd want to have walked around your life on this planet with your eyes closed and ears bolcked to think otherwise, How specifically are you measuring bad and good in this case?
yourdeadwright wrote: » Its an instrument of control , Starter of more wars than anything on this planet, Look at recent times thousands upon thousands of people have died because of religion in just the last 20 years and it shows no sign of letting up when its a made up nonsense, Then there is the sexual abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse off women of Islamic faiths , the list is really endless. Only someone brain washed by a religion would think its been good for the planet , Its all nonsense
Elle Modern Salt wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » Its an instrument of control , Starter of more wars than anything on this planet, Look at recent times thousands upon thousands of people have died because of religion in just the last 20 years and it shows no sign of letting up when its a made up nonsense, Then there is the sexual abuse in the Catholic church, the abuse off women of Islamic faiths , the list is really endless. Only someone brain washed by a religion would think its been good for the planet , Its all nonsense Judaism and Christianity are the foundations of the entire civilisation of the west. To say it should never have existed and that it's all ridiculous nonsense is not a logical position to take.
Elle Modern Salt wrote: » This is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in my life
Judaism and Christianity are the foundations of the entire civilisation of the west. To say it should never have existed and that it's all ridiculous nonsense is not a logical position to take.
yourdeadwright wrote: » There was civilisation before Christianity , there would have been Civilisation without, The idea that people in this day and age follow books written thousands of years ago that more than likely are all made up fairy tales word to word is utterly crazy, Scientology is the perfect example of how crazy and stupid religion is and as its fairly recent so its great example., Its was made up by a man who wrote more sci-fi books than anyone on the planet ,He was also a man who got discharged from the navy as he wouldn't stop "touching himself" , It now has 14 million followers world wide, It goes to show how stupid and easy led people can be, Religion is and always has been nonsense,
suicide_circus wrote: » keffiyeh wrote: » A joke (if you say so) with an incredibly dumb agenda. this is after hours not The Guardian comments section. calm yourself.
NIMAN wrote: » Agree. I love the people who cry out for Scientology to be banned, not allowed to build places of worship etc, cos its dangerous and a load of old nonsense, whilst at the same time following a religion themselves.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Not at all. Firstly since all cultures have had some religion it looks like a belief in the supernatural is inate. Secondly the claim that religion is a cause of most wars isn’t empirically solid.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Not at all. Firstly since all cultures have had some religion it looks like a belief in the supernatural is inate. Secondly the claim that religion is a cause of most wars isn’t empirically solid. Ah let them have their little rant! Those of us who believe in God can smile along knowing that if we're wrong, then nothing. If THEY are wrong however, there's a very pissed off deity waiting!!!I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator , The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not ,,
yourdeadwright wrote: » I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator , The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not , ,
Elle Modern Salt wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » I have no issues with the belief of a god or a creator , The issues is with the religions its self , the parts that are devised to control and manipulate As someone said the belief in a god or creator is human nature, the controlling and demands of religion is not , , Religions evolved from people trying to understand the world and their existence. Bureaucracy and power also grew and power corrupts, and as a result, those within the institutions used their power/influence to control and manipulate people. We see this clearly in the actions of corporations today. This does not mean that every church should be torn down and religions should be done away with as some fanciful stories we told ourselves in the "unenlightened times". Comparisons to scientology do not hold any weight.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Why do they hold no weight ? Its just proves people will follow anything , People believing in god or anything is fine But Religion is to set certain laws around your believes to simply control and constrict you , Religion has and always will be an instrument of control
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » Why do they hold no weight ? Its just proves people will follow anything , People believing in god or anything is fine But Religion is to set certain laws around your believes to simply control and constrict you , Religion has and always will be an instrument of control Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50. Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.
yourdeadwright wrote: » Ok where do we start, Here's a quick list of things opposed by the Catholic church that would have bettered its people [*]1944 – Tampons (may arouse women) [*]1950 – Mother & Child Scheme [*]1970 – Studying at Trinity College [*]1973 – Married women in the Civil Service [*]1985 – Contraception [*]1986 – Divorce [*]1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality [*]1996 – Divorce [*]2005 – Ferns report into child abuse [*]2010 – Civili Partnerships [*]2013 – Abortions if mother’s life was at risk [*]2015 – Equal Marriage [*]2018 – Abortion They still control 80 % of Primary schools. not baptised cant get in , Used the positions of power to control abused children for years , Its endless,
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » yourdeadwright wrote: » Ok where do we start, Here's a quick list of things opposed by the Catholic church that would have bettered its people [*]1944 – Tampons (may arouse women) [*]1950 – Mother & Child Scheme [*]1970 – Studying at Trinity College [*]1973 – Married women in the Civil Service [*]1985 – Contraception [*]1986 – Divorce [*]1993 – Decriminalisation of homosexuality [*]1996 – Divorce [*]2005 – Ferns report into child abuse [*]2010 – Civili Partnerships [*]2013 – Abortions if mother’s life was at risk [*]2015 – Equal Marriage [*]2018 – Abortion They still control 80 % of Primary schools. not baptised cant get in , Used the positions of power to control abused children for years , Its endless, I'll pray for you. ;)
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50. Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort.
NIMAN wrote: » PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Never felt "controlled" by being Catholic and I'm a good kick in the arse off 50. Nuns in school - yeah very much so but the faith itself ? Nothing but a comfort. I'm nearly 50 and I would say the CC had a controlling influence on my life to date.....maybe getting less so but still influencing it. I was made to make a first communion, confirmation etc....I was too young to tell my parents I wasn't. It took me to maybe 16 to stop attending masses. Then a lot of my schooling was controlled by them as I went to Catholic schools. I had to study RE and Latin, no choice. Even recently, I had to get my kids baptised to get them into the local schools, otherwise it was a >1hr drive to the nearest Educate Together school, and that wasn't practical. Plus they need to school with friends who live locally. Their power is diminishing for sure, and nothing would make me happier for it to end, but we are getting there.
Try_harder wrote: » People should take the https://www.politicalcompass.org test I'm near Ghandi!
myshirt wrote: » Don't tell the Bride Pakistan version was a joke, not a real thing. I think these societies you are referring to are maturing, and when societies mature and develop they don't bring with them these type of abuses.
Shenshen wrote: » So, just to get my head around this, do you think that there are currently several millions of Syrians living in tent camps in Turkey and Lebanon because... they prefer the views from there? That would be an unpopular opinion. Particularly in those camps, I would imagine.
KevinCavan wrote: » The trial of Ulster rugby players was a no go area with female staff members, who weren’t open to discussion or debate on the topic.
Deleted User wrote: » Religion is responsible for around 8% of wars..https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766?guccounter=1
yourdeadwright wrote: » Another unpopular opinion , Not mine but I read and listend to . One of the reason for Muslim fate in some middle eastern countries that has been hijacked by extremist is due to inbreeding , I seen a very interesting podcast, where they spoke about the tradition in most of these Muslim countries that now harbour extremist's is one of marrying your first cousin , Supposedly studies have show generation's of this practise, hugely lower's your IQ, makes people more violent, makes children more prone to still births and other issues, but also has huge factor is it seems to make people more swayed to follow cults and dictation . Supposedly the Quran encourages it They think this is a reason the Muslim faith was hijacked by extremist in these countries, It was a very interesting listen, and the guys where professor's speaking not some lunes, It makes sense cause as bad as let say Christianity is , you really couldn't seen it being hi-jacked by loons and people to actually follow them
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