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s7ryf3925pivug · 31-07-2018 08:24AM #1

Manchester Arena bomber was rescued from Libya by Royal Navy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Posting this to stimulate discourse on the topic of immigration ...Quite the 'elephant in the room' around these parts I know.

Grayson · 31-07-2018 08:33AM

well you picked the correct title.

Lash Into The Pints · 31-07-2018 08:34AM

Hope he is being tortured in hell as we speak.

seamus · 31-07-2018 09:01AM

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

s7ryf3925pivug · 31-07-2018 09:03AM

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

Shhh you're spoiling it

31-07-2018 09:06AM

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

Leaving the immigration factor aside for a moment, the fact he was rescued from a war zone by the British and went on to commit such a heinous act on British soil is absolute treason and betrayal. Sickening.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 09:06AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Hope he is being tortured in hell as we speak.

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

31-07-2018 09:14AM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 09:17AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Is torture legal in the UK, had he lived somehow? Used a suitcase instead?

Or is torture okay in made-up places?

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 09:22AM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

So - "bloodlust" - where it is wishing someone who murdered 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert a lifetime of pain in Hell (which I believe exists but may or may not actually).

That is bad ?

But "bloodlust" of a kid who decided to commit said murder of 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert.

That is alright ?

There are some deepy disturbed points of view and that just cracked the top 3.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 09:24AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So - "bloodlust" - where it is wishing someone who murdered 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert a lifetime of pain in Hell (which I believe exists but may or may not actually).

That is bad ?

But "bloodlust" of a kid who decided to commit said murder of 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert.

That is alright ?

There are some deepy disturbed points of view and that just cracked the top 3.

Nice appeal to emotion there.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 09:24AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Omackerel - at the time I was called "a monster" for saying that I hoped the authorities caught up with the brother/accomplice and that he made a run for it.

The same person forwarded my FB post to their friend list apologising on my behalf "to the 99.99% of decent British Muslims".

I replied not to bother and that his figures were skewed. We no longer talk.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 09:26AM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Nice appeal to emotion there.

Yeah I get emotional when I see people blown up at a venue I've seen 20+ gigs at. It's clearly a character flaw to feel emotion at a kid's life ending at 8.

The Backwards Man · 31-07-2018 09:27AM

Funny how some people can justify the callous slaughter of children when it suits their own hateful agenda and deplore it when it doesn't.

All terrorists are scum, as are all those who support them.

topper75 · 31-07-2018 09:29AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Omackerel - at the time I was called "a monster" for saying that I hoped the authorities caught up with the brother/accomplice and that he made a run for it.

The same person forwarded my FB post to their friend list apologising on my behalf "to the 99.99% of decent British Muslims".

I replied not to bother and that his figures were skewed. We no longer talk.

He got to signal his 'virtue' to others, and that is all that matters.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 09:35AM

topper75 wrote: »

He got to signal his 'virtue' to others, and that is all that matters.

Vitue signal torture is bad?

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 09:35AM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Vitue signal torture is bad?

You - SEVERAL MILES - the point.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 09:39AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You - SEVERAL MILES - the point.

The poster can speak for him/herself.

Please go away.

badtoro · 31-07-2018 09:47AM

Can't say I'd have any sympathy for him. The only thing that would give me pause is insuring his guilt, think Birmingham 6 etc. Not making any case for innocence here at all, it's just the only thing that stops me saying throw him to the dogs tbh. There's no case for calling a music concert any sort of legitimate target with no warning bombing. Honestly the people that do such things can't suffer enough.

SnakePlissken · 31-07-2018 10:22AM

Elora Young Varsity wrote: »

Manchester Arena bomber was rescued from Libya by Royal Navy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Posting this to stimulate discourse on the topic of immigration ...Quite the 'elephant in the room' around these parts I know.

I can see what you're doing, but as a genuine thread on immigration was closed by one particular moderator for not being jolly enough for After Hours I certainly won't be wasting my time contributing to the discussion.

quintana76 · 31-07-2018 10:28AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Sorry, but he deliberately aimed his atrack at innocent kids. He may have been technically British but his loyalty lay elsewhere. He only wished harm to the country which had generously (foolishly) taken in his family. There's no accounting for gratitude.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 10:31AM

quintana76 wrote: »

Sorry, but he deliberately aimed his atrack at innocent kids. He may have been technically British but his loyalty lay elsewhere. He only wished harm to the country which had generously (foolishly) taken in his family. There's no accounting for gratitude.

If we're going by eligibility for a passport and birthplace, I am "technically" British. I have travelled on an Irish passport for decades and lives her and paid taxes for similar.

I have zero love for Britain. I was not brought up British and have no loyalty to them.

Clearly I would never do what he did - but had Britain saved me and my family I would perhaps think differently on the loyalty front.

Sonics2k · 31-07-2018 10:49AM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I can see what you're doing, but as a genuine thread on immigration was closed by one particular moderator for not being jolly enough for After Hours I certainly won't be wasting my time contributing to the discussion.

Alright, let's establish something.

All terrorists are absolute scum and deserve the worst possible punishments. But, this has nothing to do with immigration. This disgusting ****wad was English and a traitor.

Grayson · 31-07-2018 10:52AM

badtoro wrote: »

Can't say I'd have any sympathy for him. The only thing that would give me pause is insuring his guilt, think Birmingham 6 etc. Not making any case for innocence here at all, it's just the only thing that stops me saying throw him to the dogs tbh. There's no case for calling a music concert any sort of legitimate target with no warning bombing. Honestly the people that do such things can't suffer enough.

To be fair one person said he hoped he was burning in hell. I don't believe in God but I'm assuming that if I'm wrong he won't make a mistake.

As for the death penalty/torture I agree with you. There have been so many people in the US who were exonerated. So although I can understand why someone wants someone who commits a horrible crime like that to be tortured I disagree with that too. Even if we are 100% certain of their guilt.

jimgoose · 31-07-2018 10:54AM

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

<adjusts eye-patch and shakes pitchfork menacingly> Ooorr-aaarrrhhh! You'm be a witch!!

topper75 · 31-07-2018 10:59AM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Vitue signal torture is bad?

I think it was the whole apologising on somebody else's behalf arrogance that irked me about that scenario. It struck me as high-horse stuff to address ALL British muslims about it and screamed look at me I'm a good person = virtue signalling because did nothing concrete to fix anybody's situation or stop anybody being tortured, and merely sought to portray themselves in a certain light.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 11:04AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Alright, let's establish something.

All terrorists are absolute scum and deserve the worst possible punishments. But, this has nothing to do with immigration. This disgusting ****wad was English and a traitor.

If anything it does shine a light on the second generation - the children of immigrants. Does their parents' unwillingness to integrate contribute ? Were not the majority of Jihadists since (and including) 7/7 born in the UK ?

Perhaps a question for another thread but certainly I think it worth asking at some point.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 12:01PM

topper75 wrote: »

I think it was the whole apologising on somebody else's behalf arrogance that irked me about that scenario. It struck me as high-horse stuff to address ALL British muslims about it and screamed look at me I'm a good person = virtue signalling because did nothing concrete to fix anybody's situation or stop anybody being tortured, and merely sought to portray themselves in a certain light.

I certainly was not apologising on someone else's behalf.

"All British muslims"? What are you going on about there?

I don't think I'm a particularly good person but I can see torture is bad.

Do you think a random poster in Ireland is going to stop anyone being tortured in the UK?

Get real.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 12:07PM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

I certainly was not apologising on someone else's behalf.

"All British muslims"? What are you going on about there?

I don't think I'm a particularly good person but I can see torture is bad.

Do you think a random poster in Ireland is going to stop anyone being tortured in the UK?

Get real.

Topper75s post 15, quoting mine that you actually responded to - so you know EXACTLY the context of the post above.

Chaos Tourist · 31-07-2018 12:11PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Topper75s post 15, quoting mine that you actually responded to - so you know EXACTLY the context of the post above.

Can you read another posters mind over the internet?

I skipped over your post.

I'm responding to this poster now.

PlaneSpeeking · 31-07-2018 12:13PM

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Can you read other posters mind over the internet?

I skipped over your post.

I'm responding to this poster now.

It was quoted in the post! There really are some precious little bundles about!

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