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Manchester Arena bomber was rescued from Libya by Royal Navy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Posting this to stimulate discourse on the topic of immigration ...Quite the 'elephant in the room' around these parts I know.

Grayson

well you picked the correct title.

Lash Into The Pints

Hope he is being tortured in hell as we speak.

seamus

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

s7ryf3925pivug

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

Shhh you're spoiling it

seamus

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

Leaving the immigration factor aside for a moment, the fact he was rescued from a war zone by the British and went on to commit such a heinous act on British soil is absolute treason and betrayal. Sickening.

Chaos Tourist

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Hope he is being tortured in hell as we speak.

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

Chaos Tourist

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Chaos Tourist

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Is torture legal in the UK, had he lived somehow? Used a suitcase instead?

Or is torture okay in made-up places?

PlaneSpeeking

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

So - "bloodlust" - where it is wishing someone who murdered 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert a lifetime of pain in Hell (which I believe exists but may or may not actually).

That is bad ?

But "bloodlust" of a kid who decided to commit said murder of 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert.

That is alright ?

There are some deepy disturbed points of view and that just cracked the top 3.

Chaos Tourist

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So - "bloodlust" - where it is wishing someone who murdered 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert a lifetime of pain in Hell (which I believe exists but may or may not actually).

That is bad ?

But "bloodlust" of a kid who decided to commit said murder of 22 innocent people including a wee 8 year old girl for nothing more than boogieing at a concert.

That is alright ?

There are some deepy disturbed points of view and that just cracked the top 3.

Nice appeal to emotion there.

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Omackerel - at the time I was called "a monster" for saying that I hoped the authorities caught up with the brother/accomplice and that he made a run for it.

The same person forwarded my FB post to their friend list apologising on my behalf "to the 99.99% of decent British Muslims".

I replied not to bother and that his figures were skewed. We no longer talk.

PlaneSpeeking

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Nice appeal to emotion there.

Yeah I get emotional when I see people blown up at a venue I've seen 20+ gigs at. It's clearly a character flaw to feel emotion at a kid's life ending at 8.

The Backwards Man

Funny how some people can justify the callous slaughter of children when it suits their own hateful agenda and deplore it when it doesn't.

All terrorists are scum, as are all those who support them.

topper75

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Omackerel - at the time I was called "a monster" for saying that I hoped the authorities caught up with the brother/accomplice and that he made a run for it.

The same person forwarded my FB post to their friend list apologising on my behalf "to the 99.99% of decent British Muslims".

I replied not to bother and that his figures were skewed. We no longer talk.

He got to signal his 'virtue' to others, and that is all that matters.

Chaos Tourist

topper75 wrote: »

He got to signal his 'virtue' to others, and that is all that matters.

Vitue signal torture is bad?

PlaneSpeeking

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Vitue signal torture is bad?

You - SEVERAL MILES - the point.

Chaos Tourist

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You - SEVERAL MILES - the point.

The poster can speak for him/herself.

Please go away.

badtoro

Can't say I'd have any sympathy for him. The only thing that would give me pause is insuring his guilt, think Birmingham 6 etc. Not making any case for innocence here at all, it's just the only thing that stops me saying throw him to the dogs tbh. There's no case for calling a music concert any sort of legitimate target with no warning bombing. Honestly the people that do such things can't suffer enough.

SnakePlissken

Elora Young Varsity wrote: »

Manchester Arena bomber was rescued from Libya by Royal Navy

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Posting this to stimulate discourse on the topic of immigration ...Quite the 'elephant in the room' around these parts I know.

I can see what you're doing, but as a genuine thread on immigration was closed by one particular moderator for not being jolly enough for After Hours I certainly won't be wasting my time contributing to the discussion.

quintana76

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he did kill near two dozen people, including innocent kids. Don't think too many would be all that sympathetic to or full of well wishes for the aul' bomber there but ya never know.

Sorry, but he deliberately aimed his atrack at innocent kids. He may have been technically British but his loyalty lay elsewhere. He only wished harm to the country which had generously (foolishly) taken in his family. There's no accounting for gratitude.

PlaneSpeeking

quintana76 wrote: »

Sorry, but he deliberately aimed his atrack at innocent kids. He may have been technically British but his loyalty lay elsewhere. He only wished harm to the country which had generously (foolishly) taken in his family. There's no accounting for gratitude.

If we're going by eligibility for a passport and birthplace, I am "technically" British. I have travelled on an Irish passport for decades and lives her and paid taxes for similar.

I have zero love for Britain. I was not brought up British and have no loyalty to them.

Clearly I would never do what he did - but had Britain saved me and my family I would perhaps think differently on the loyalty front.

Sonics2k

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I can see what you're doing, but as a genuine thread on immigration was closed by one particular moderator for not being jolly enough for After Hours I certainly won't be wasting my time contributing to the discussion.

Alright, let's establish something.

All terrorists are absolute scum and deserve the worst possible punishments. But, this has nothing to do with immigration. This disgusting ****wad was English and a traitor.

Grayson

badtoro wrote: »

Can't say I'd have any sympathy for him. The only thing that would give me pause is insuring his guilt, think Birmingham 6 etc. Not making any case for innocence here at all, it's just the only thing that stops me saying throw him to the dogs tbh. There's no case for calling a music concert any sort of legitimate target with no warning bombing. Honestly the people that do such things can't suffer enough.

To be fair one person said he hoped he was burning in hell. I don't believe in God but I'm assuming that if I'm wrong he won't make a mistake.

As for the death penalty/torture I agree with you. There have been so many people in the US who were exonerated. So although I can understand why someone wants someone who commits a horrible crime like that to be tortured I disagree with that too. Even if we are 100% certain of their guilt.

jimgoose

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

<adjusts eye-patch and shakes pitchfork menacingly> Ooorr-aaarrrhhh! You'm be a witch!!

topper75

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Vitue signal torture is bad?

I think it was the whole apologising on somebody else's behalf arrogance that irked me about that scenario. It struck me as high-horse stuff to address ALL British muslims about it and screamed look at me I'm a good person = virtue signalling because did nothing concrete to fix anybody's situation or stop anybody being tortured, and merely sought to portray themselves in a certain light.

PlaneSpeeking

Sonics2k wrote: »

Alright, let's establish something.

All terrorists are absolute scum and deserve the worst possible punishments. But, this has nothing to do with immigration. This disgusting ****wad was English and a traitor.

If anything it does shine a light on the second generation - the children of immigrants. Does their parents' unwillingness to integrate contribute ? Were not the majority of Jihadists since (and including) 7/7 born in the UK ?

Perhaps a question for another thread but certainly I think it worth asking at some point.

Chaos Tourist

topper75 wrote: »

I think it was the whole apologising on somebody else's behalf arrogance that irked me about that scenario. It struck me as high-horse stuff to address ALL British muslims about it and screamed look at me I'm a good person = virtue signalling because did nothing concrete to fix anybody's situation or stop anybody being tortured, and merely sought to portray themselves in a certain light.

I certainly was not apologising on someone else's behalf.

"All British muslims"? What are you going on about there?

I don't think I'm a particularly good person but I can see torture is bad.

Do you think a random poster in Ireland is going to stop anyone being tortured in the UK?

Get real.

PlaneSpeeking

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

I certainly was not apologising on someone else's behalf.

"All British muslims"? What are you going on about there?

I don't think I'm a particularly good person but I can see torture is bad.

Do you think a random poster in Ireland is going to stop anyone being tortured in the UK?

Get real.

Topper75s post 15, quoting mine that you actually responded to - so you know EXACTLY the context of the post above.

Chaos Tourist

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Topper75s post 15, quoting mine that you actually responded to - so you know EXACTLY the context of the post above.

Can you read another posters mind over the internet?

I skipped over your post.

I'm responding to this poster now.

PlaneSpeeking

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Can you read other posters mind over the internet?

I skipped over your post.

I'm responding to this poster now.

It was quoted in the post! There really are some precious little bundles about!

Chaos Tourist

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Do you think a random poster in Ireland is going to stop anyone being tortured in the UK?

Get real.

Get real indeed. Nobody was talking about actual real torture. They were talking about being tortured in hell. A phrase, more than anything, reserved for scumdogs.

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

Get real indeed. Nobody was talking about actual real torture. They were talking about being tortured in hell. A phrase, more than anything, reserved for scumdogs.

Unless Satan should abide by the Geneva Convention ??

Is that the suggestion ??

Chaos Tourist

Omackeral wrote: »

Get real indeed. Nobody was talking about actual real torture. They were talking about being tortured in hell. A phrase, more than anything, reserved for scumdogs.

Another spokesperson for that particular poster. Are you all on a payroll or something?

Chaos Tourist

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Another spokesperson for that particular poster. Are you all on a payroll or something?

Are you daft? I'm replying to something you wrote.

Chaos Tourist

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you daft? I'm replying to something you wrote.

He said it.

I'm not interested with you.

Chaos Tourist

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

He said it.

I'm not interested with you.

Yeah and you made a point of saying someone advocated actual torture. You were corrected on it. Other people are allowed to engage in the discussion. Your response to that was to be sarky. Doesn't sound like forums are for you.

PlaneSpeeking

Omackeral wrote: »

Yeah and you made a point of saying someone advocated actual torture. You were corrected on it. Other people are allowed to engage in the discussion. Your response to that was to be sarky. Doesn't sound like forums are for you.

Well (if I am actually allowed to talk to you Omackerel without benefit of chaperone!!) - that particular poster openly told me to "go away" earlier.

I suspect AH may not be a good fit.

s7ryf3925pivug

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I can see what you're doing, but as a genuine thread on immigration was closed by one particular moderator for not being jolly enough for After Hours I certainly won't be wasting my time contributing to the discussion.

By the fourth page, every thread is about immgration ...or feminism.

Mutant z

seamus wrote: »

What's immigration got to do with it? He's English.

They rescued one of their own citizens from a warzone, and you're blaming immigration for his subsequent acts?

Yes and thats how the ungrateful scumbag chose to repay his fellow citizens by blowing them to bits you can take the man out of the desert but you can't take the desert out of the man his loyalty is clearly not with his country of birth.

Mutant z

The electric chair is what all these sort of scumbags deserve they should fry for the heinous acts they have committed on innocent people many of whom have been children.

Lash Into The Pints

Chaos Tourist wrote: »

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Hope he is being tortured in hell as we speak.

Showing quite a bit of bloodlust yourself there, you just have different reasons that go with the crowd.

Are you actually going to virture signal over an Islamic terrorist? A pig who murdered 20+ people, mostly children, how many more maimed? Shattered how many lives? Wtf is wrong with you?

So yeah if hell is real, he'll be burning in it

SnakePlissken

Elora Young Varsity wrote: »

Posting this to stimulate discourse on the topic of immigration

Elora Young Varsity wrote: »

By the fourth page, every thread is about immgration

Creates thread to discuss the topic of immigration... complains when posters discuss immigration. Que?

PlaneSpeeking

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Creates thread to discuss the topic of immigration... complains when posters discuss immigration. Que?

:D:D:D:D:D

valoren

"This UK citizen was saved by the Royal Navy, you won't believe what he did next"

PlaneSpeeking

valoren wrote: »

"This UK citizen was saved by the Royal Navy, you won't believe what he did next"

Edgy.

SnakePlissken

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Edgy.

This thread was started none too subtly as a piss take of those who do actually wish to discuss immigration, I wouldn't take it at face value.

Yer Da sells Avon

Mutant z wrote: »

Yes and thats how the ungrateful scumbag chose to repay his fellow citizens by blowing them to bits you can take the man out of the desert but you can't take the desert out of the man his loyalty is clearly not with his country of birth.

Lack of gratitude or loyalty are the absolute least of his crimes, tbh. Whether Britain saved him and his family, treated them alright or displaced and systematically tortured them all, one by one, is neither here nor there.

Chaos Tourist

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Are you actually going to virture signal over an Islamic terrorist? A pig who murdered 20+ people, mostly children, how many more maimed? Shattered how many lives? Wtf is wrong with you?

So yeah if hell is real, he'll be burning in it

Yes, he was a bad guy. That's fair enough.

And his supporters think he is living it up in heaven.

Might be an idea to just drop all this religious talk altogether.

James Brown

The Queen did well out of it coming from an immigrant family. Brought in their own religion. Mind you they've a bloody history. Never mind it's all Hello magazines and that now sure the indigenous folk love her

PlaneSpeeking

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The Queen did well out of it coming from an immigrant family. Brought in their own religion. Mind you they've a bloody history. Never mind it's all Hello magazines and that now sure the indigenous folk love her

Think you'll find Henry VIII did that about 400 years before.