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Do you agree with government interference in personal lives

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  • #32
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 966 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Very much not considering I wouldn't let most of them babysit my dogs.
    I've met quite a few and what they do, they do for votes and nothing else.


  • #33
    Pretzeluck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭Pretzeluck


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Yeah it's a real hell hole....thinking of moving to some more enlightened place like Saudi altogether.

    Yeah if you want to get your head chopped off for being Christian then sure go ahead. I heard its an amazing country. Can't wait for the execution video.


  • #34
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    My opinion is that it's beyond stupid. Especially the HIGH VIZ EVERYWHERE crowd. Go to any continental country and you'll be lucky to see a high viz jacket but here it's a freaking plague. But it improves SAFETY EVERYONE. EVERYONE IS MORE SAFE WHEN THEY PUT ON THAT DISGUSTING VEST OR JACKET.

    You're working in McDonald's and bringing rubbish to a bin? Don't you dare to venture outside without a high viz.

    Sarkozy made it mandatory for every car in France to have a high Viz jacket on board. Presumably because he had shares in high Viz jacket companies.


  • #35
    Pretzeluck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 325 ✭✭Pretzeluck


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Sarkozy made it mandatory for every car in France to have a high Viz jacket on board. Presumably because he had shares in high Viz jacket companies.

    France is a nanny state as well. They're only required to wear it when on the road though, but they have other dumb laws like 100hp motorcycle ban.


  • #36
    Cleopatra_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Cleopatra_


    Germany is definitely more restrictive. When you move you have to register your new address with the local authority/council and you need to change the plates on your car. In the UK there is CCTV absolutely everywhere. I've never felt more monitored than I do in the UK. Nobody knew where I was or what I was doing in Ireland and they didn't care either.


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  • #37
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    Personal freedoms like
    Taxing sugar
    Alcohol (sold only at specified times)
    Cigarettes
    Night club and pub rules (close at a certain time)

    I agree with restrictions on cigarettes (specifically the sale and supply). The other things can, for the most part, be enjoyed within moderation. Cigarettes are manufactured with the sole intent of making people want more cigarettes. I definitely think the government should interfere with that business model as much as possible.


  • #38
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hapax Legomenon wrote:
    I agree with restrictions on cigarettes (specifically the sale and supply). The other things can, for the most part, be enjoyed within moderation. Cigarettes are manufactured with the sole intent of making people want more cigarettes. I definitely think the government should interfere with that business model as much as possible.


    Is sugar and alcohol also not highly addictive?


  • #39
    Son of a bitch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Son of a bitch


    I used to complain about my freedoms being eroded, but other European neighbours are more restrictive than us
    www.wikitravel.org/en/Finland wrote:
    Alcohol
    Finnish grocery stores do not sell alcoholic beverages with above 5.5% volume, and no alcoholic beverages above 2.8% volume are sold between 21:00 and 09:00. The sole provider of wine and spirits is the government-run Alko, which has limited hours, especially on weekends and public holidays. When buying alcohol, almost all grocery stores will usually require you or anyone in your company who the clerk deems look below the age of 30 to provide proof of age - only a government-issued ID card, drivers' license or passport is acceptable. You will also not be sold alcohol if you are visibly intoxicated or act in a disturbing manner.

    Age limit for buying alcohol in grocery stores and Alkos is 18 for under 21%-vol. beverages and 20 for over 21%-vol. beverages. In bars and nightclubs 18 years old can buy also strong alcohol.


  • #40
    beertons
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,489 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    I agree with restrictions on cigarettes (specifically the sale and supply). The other things can, for the most part, be enjoyed within moderation. Cigarettes are manufactured with the sole intent of making people want more cigarettes. I definitely think the government should interfere with that business model as much as possible.


    If they didn't tax the bejaysus out of it, and are making a fortune out of it, they might.


  • #41
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Is sugar and alcohol also not highly addictive?

    Not to the same extent as cigarettes.


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  • #42
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Pretzeluck wrote: »
    Ok source please. And is this implemented nationwide or just in a certain state?

    Restrictions on shopping hours are common on the continent.


  • #43
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hapax Legomenon wrote:
    Not to the same extent as cigarettes.


    Really, according to who?


  • #44
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Really, according to who?

    Seems sort of obvious, no?


  • #45
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hapax Legomenon wrote:
    Seems sort of obvious, no?


    Yes, it seems obvious to me that, nicotine, alcohol and sugar are all highly addictive, all causing complex health issues, even death.


  • #46
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Yes, it seems obvious to me that, nicotine, alcohol and sugar are all highly addictive, all causing complex health issues, even death.

    If you consumed sugar or alcohol to the same extent as the average smoker consumes tobacco products, then you'd have a point. Most drinkers aren't addicted. Most smokers are.


  • #47
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Church on Tuesday wrote: »
    Don't really have a problem with any of those restrictions TBH. It's not like Ireland is North Korea or anything.

    Don't know why anybody would want to buy alcohol before 12 midday, although I do think Off License cut off time of 10 at night is a bit of a nonsense.

    I would like to be able to buy alcohol when I am at the shop, which is usually in the morning. It's ridiculous to have barriers blocking off the alcohol area.


  • #48
    Thoughtform
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Thoughtform


    paw patrol wrote: »
    there is too much state interference in our lives.
    way too much

    what is shocking and laughable is that the rabble actually want more control. Moronic numbskulls bleat on social media/joe duffy…"there should be a law against that" and others that willingly trade freedoms for the illusion of security from the state whenever a terrorist attack occurs ( clearly I mean modern day UK/US in this point)

    no there fcuking shouldn't....people shouldn't have to conform to your standard.

    All this serves is to create people mentally dependant on the state unable to function themselves and people who have an inability to tackle their own problems.
    In other words , sheep.
    What "way too much" state interference in our lives is there here?

    The sheep are the people who buy into the "Ireland is really repressive" hilarity.

    As mentioned, Ireland (and elsewhere) has a huge problem with self entitlement and compo culture - blame those greedy leeches for any perceived state interference.


  • #49
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    jbt123 wrote: »
    I'd prefer minimal government intrusion into my life. I don't like the nanny state rules and regulations that are becoming all the more prevalent.

    I'm an adult and am well capable of making the decisions on how to live my life and the consequences of doing so.
    Just sign this form to opt out of health care and this one to opt out work place protections and finally this on to opt out of the recuse services.

    Grand sir you now a free man.


  • #50
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Why do people call democratic passed laws as government interference?

    The reason for Irish drink laws comes as there is more of a drinking culture here than other countries.

    Stuff like sugar taxes are taxes and health initiatives not interference.

    Should they also not interfere in stuff like giving you the right to vote, building infrastructure, letting you have a passport etc.


  • #51
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Why do people call democratic passed laws as government interference?

    The reason for Irish drink laws comes as there is more of a drinking culture here than other countries.

    Stuff like sugar taxes are taxes and health initiatives not interference.

    Should they also not interfere in stuff like giving you the right to vote, building infrastructure, letting you have a passport etc.

    Ireland is mid table in Europe regarding alcohol consumption, and it is falling year on year. So that point is boll1x


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  • #52
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Thoughtform wrote: »
    What "way too much" state interference in our lives is there here?

    The sheep are the people who buy into the "Ireland is really repressive" hilarity.

    As mentioned, Ireland (and elsewhere) has a huge problem with self entitlement and compo culture - blame those greedy leeches for any perceived state interference.

    Totally agree.

    One problem is, tons of laws, extremely wealthy policy and report writers and little or
    no law enforcement.

    Saw the police on Liffey Street yesterday pulling over a Deliverydoo man-bun cyclist for cutting in front of a taxi. Was really NO big deal. Easy target. 10 seconds away on the Boardwalk open hard-drug dealing.

    Skewed.


  • #53
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Ireland is mid table in Europe regarding alcohol consumption, and it is falling year on year. So that point is boll1x

    I would argue that there's more binge drinking going on here and also more of a pub culture than other countries. That's the difference.


  • #54
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Cleopatra_ wrote: »
    Germany is definitely more restrictive. When you move you have to register your new address with the local authority/council and you need to change the plates on your car. In the UK there is CCTV absolutely everywhere. I've never felt more monitored than I do in the UK. Nobody knew where I was or what I was doing in Ireland and they didn't care either.

    The idea of registering is not to restrict you but for them to know population numbers and also allow you to vote and avail of local council services.

    It's bizarre in Ireland that you don't have to register with the local council.


  • #55
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I once asked for WiFi back in the day in a German hotel and was told that I could only use a dongle and sit in reception where they could watch what I was looking at due to some law or other.

    Due to excessive regulation, Internet access outside the big city centres is very expensive, slow and they tie you in to 2+ year contracts. We are way ahead on that front.

    The difference is the Germans strictly enforce all their laws. We don't. We are still very free by developed world standards. We don't even pay for water.


  • #56
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I would argue that there's more binge drinking going on here and also more of a pub culture than other countries. That's the difference.

    One could make the argument the all the restrictions the government have in place encourage binge drinking.


  • #57
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    LeinsterDub wrote:
    One could make the argument the all the restrictions the government have in place encourage binge drinking.


    We could say lots of things about rules and regulations, but it can be difficult to pin point what exactly causes certain human behaviour, particularly in relation to substances that are highly addictive, we re a complicated lot with such substances


  • #58
    RobAMerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    One issue we have is an immeasurable number of state agencies for safety for just about everything who feel they must justify their existence by making as much noise as possible.
    During the recent warm spell, there was at least 50 different groups warning of one more ludicrous dangerous scenario after another - "Driving dehydrated is as dangerous as driving drunk", "National heat stroke warning!","Warning, roads are dangerous because the tar is melting","Warning dont leave your dog in the car","Warning dont go swimming","Warning dont get sun burned","Skin cancer,retina cancer,bowel cancer because of the sun" : FFS totally over the top imo.


  • #59
    Chaos Tourist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Chaos Tourist


    paw patrol wrote: »
    there is too much state interference in our lives.
    way too much

    what is shocking and laughable is that the rabble actually want more control. Moronic numbskulls bleat on social media/joe duffy…"there should be a law against that" and others that willingly trade freedoms for the illusion of security from the state whenever a terrorist attack occurs ( clearly I mean modern day UK/US in this point)

    no there fcuking shouldn't....people shouldn't have to conform to your standard.

    All this serves is to create people mentally dependant on the state unable to function themselves and people who have an inability to tackle their own problems.
    In other words , sheep.

    Sounds very libertarian. You agree with open borders?


  • #60
    jbt123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭jbt123


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Just sign this form to opt out of health care and this one to opt out work place protections and finally this on to opt out of the recuse services.

    Grand sir you now a free man.

    Well now, I did say minimal intrusion.

    1. I have my own private medical insurance.

    2. I'm self employed so not really concerned about work place protections.

    3. I do pay enough taxes that I'd expect a rescue effort to be made if I got stuck up a mountain, unlikely as that may be.

    Like I said, I'd prefer less nanny state regulations. Any other forms I need to sign?


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  • #61
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    One could make the argument the all the restrictions the government have in place encourage binge drinking.

    That's only at closing time.

    There is definitely a different drink culture here and an attitude of drinking to get drunk. Very different to abroad.


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