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What's the obsession middle aged lads have with cycling?

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  • #302
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    A- You would fail the motorbike test for that.

    Cyclists need to take some responsibility for their own safety/lives. This video shows it only takes 2-3 seconds for something to go badly wrong.

    Agreed and it's something the various cycling campaigns need to focus on. No sense in making noise only. All it does is harden the us v them attitudes


  • #303
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So they were killed by a motorist, driving a motor vehicle - what other interpretation would there be?

    And do you want to include the extra case not included in the Garda figures because the death did not occur immediately afterwards - the man on East Wall Road?

    Eh.. The Garda figures were updated a few weeks ago to include this.

    By your own interpretation, a cyclist killed one person this year. A cyclist, on a cycle, died when they lost control.

    How do you know the motorists were to blame? Got links to the coroner's reports? Got links to any prosecutions of the motorists in the courts?

    There are plenty of videos from around the world of cyclists being killed because they went round the barriers at level crossings and got hit by trains.

    Bet you would blame the train driver not the cyclist that wanted a darwin award.


  • #304
    Iwouldinmesack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Iwouldinmesack


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I love the way he tries to drag the debate down to personal sniping, presumably because he's unable to find anything in any of my posts that he can actually argue with.


    They are, actually. Assuming you're not a recluse with just two friends, than some of your friends cycle some of the time. They probably don't bring it up in front of you, knowing how unhinged you get when the topic comes up - but they do cycle.



    Apologies, my error I withdraw that point. On mature recollection, I agree with you - there's definitely no young women cycling these days at all.
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    I haven't heard of that kind of thing happening much myself. I have heard of people getting their BTW bike, and never cycling to work at all, which isn't great. I haven't come across many people spending serious money on serious road bikes and then not taking them out at all. Does that really happen much?

    Certainly expectations have risen, which generally leads to better cycling experiences and less frustration with crappy equipment. But it's not true at all to say that nobody buys second-hand under €1k. A quick look at adverts.ie or donedeal will confirm this.

    Kids, young foreign female visitors to the country and a professional cyclist by the look of her in the majority of the pictures you posted. And i didnt say theres none, i said most of the cyclists ive come across seem to be young fellas, middle aged fellas and middle aged women. Posting random pictures doesnt change that.


  • #305
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,402 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    Puck-Moonen-A-character-from-an-fairy-tale-8.jpg


  • #306
    Iwouldinmesack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Iwouldinmesack


    pjohnson wrote: »
    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    Puck-Moonen-A-character-from-an-fairy-tale-8.jpg

    Id take up cycling myself if that was the case


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  • #307
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,535 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    pjohnson wrote: »
    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    The only people complaining seem to be people who don't cycle.


  • #308
    shakeitoff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭shakeitoff


    pjohnson wrote: »
    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    Puck-Moonen-A-character-from-an-fairy-tale-8.jpg

    46 year old balding Fintan with the ponch is first in line.


  • #309
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    pjohnson wrote: »
    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    Except the lads spending their time looking for lycra-clad crotches


  • #310
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭grindle


    This thread makes me wonder if this is how the public felt in Amsterdam before bikes took over. Ireland is small beyond inter-county journeys, we have narrow streets and far too many cars considering the distances we're covering.

    In Amsterdam a 15m bike ride is no big deal to hit up a friend, in Ireland we look at a 45m walk or a 5 min car journey (ugh, the carrrrrrr, couldn't be bothered).


  • #311
    shakeitoff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭shakeitoff


    grindle wrote: »
    This thread makes me wonder if this is how the public felt in Amsterdam before bikes took over. Ireland is small beyond inter-county journeys, we have narrow streets and far too many cars considering the distances we're covering.

    In Amsterdam a 15m bike ride is no big deal to hit up a friend, in Ireland we look at a 45m walk or a 5 min car journey (ugh, the carrrrrrr, couldn't be bothered).

    It's more casual in Amsterdam and less forced. People just ride normal bikes your granny would have cycled, not bikes you'd expect to see in tour de france.


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  • #312
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    shakeitoff wrote: »
    It's more casual in Amsterdam and less forced. People just ride normal bikes your granny would have cycled, not bikes you'd expect to see in tour de france.

    I do wonder if the prevalence of road bikes is contributing to the animosity. I have noticed a slight difference in the attitude of some, and I stress the word some, drivers towards me depending if I'm riding the fixie or the road bike.


  • #313
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    What I find odd are the comments about farting and farting in cafes. Why do cyclists fart more than other people.?

    I’m considering taking up cycling as a middle aged woman but dont want to start farting like a trooper.


  • #314
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    P_1 wrote: »
    I do wonder if the prevalence of road bikes is contributing to the animosity. I have noticed a slight difference in the attitude of some, and I stress the word some, drivers towards me depending if I'm riding the fixie or the road bike.

    From my own observations at the crossroads in Rathgar, when the green man for pedestrians comes on, it will be people with expensive bikes/lycra that will be more likely to break a red.

    Green man does not mean go for cyclists. Strava has not helped.

    You had some here bitching about drivers but on another thread boasting about how they did y to z segment in xx minu by jumping red lights.


  • #315
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    anewme wrote: »
    What I find odd are the comments about farting and farting in cafes. Why do cyclists fart more than other people.?

    I’m considering taking up cycling as a middle aged woman but dont want to start farting like a trooper.

    It may be something to do with the seat/saddle.

    I remember a rhyme from my teen years..

    "Mary had a little bike, its seat was back to front.
    Whenever Mary pulled the brake, the seat slid up her cu..."


  • #316
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #317
    P_1
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    From my own observations at the crossroads in Rathgar, when the green man for pedestrians comes on, it will be people with expensive bikes/lycra that will be more likely to break a red.

    Green man does not mean go for cyclists. Strava has not helped.

    You had some here bitching about drivers but on another thread boasting about how they did y to z segment in xx minu by jumping red lights.

    And also it's them who tend to draft you when you're not expecting it. Like don't get me wrong, drafting if fine, when you're on a club spin, in a sportive or racing but sucking the wheel of someone who is just tooting into work is not.

    Though I have been guilty of hopscotching my way across a junction when it's green for pedestrians on occasion. My view is that if you're matching the pace of the people crossing and not barelling through then there's no harm as essentially you're a pedestrian.


  • #318
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #319
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,535 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    From my own observations at the crossroads in Rathgar, when the green man for pedestrians comes on, it will be people with expensive bikes/lycra that will be more likely to break a red.

    Green man does not mean go for cyclists. Strava has not helped.

    You had some here bitching about drivers but on another thread boasting about how they did y to z segment in xx minu by jumping red lights.

    More enforcement of the rules of the road is needed.

    In the mean time, we try and educate newbies on how they should cycle:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107593264&postcount=4


  • #320
    P_1
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    Patww79 wrote: »
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    True but where's the difference in dismounting and pushing the bike and taking up more room and staying in the saddle and gently hopscotching your way across? You're moving at walking speed and have more control


  • #321
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,535 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    P_1 wrote: »
    True but where's the difference in dismounting and pushing the bike and taking up more room and staying in the saddle and gently hopscotching your way across? You're moving at walking speed and have more control

    The difference is, one is legal, the other is illegal. Speed is not the issue.


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  • #322
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #323
    anewme
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    It may be something to do with the seat/saddle.

    "

    I do a fair bit of indoor cycling and it does not make you fart.


  • #324
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    The difference is, one is legal, the other is illegal. Speed is not the issue.
    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Fair enough, bloody odd law though if it's determined on where your feet are in relation to the bike


  • #325
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Because you look ridiculous maybe?

    Yeah imagine people cycling bikes in attire suitable for that. It's like a football player wearing a football shorts, boots etc while playing football. Crazy concept.
    P_1 wrote: »
    TBF I think this is what they are referring to when they say Porsche level bikes for the commute

    https://www.pennyfarthingcycles.com/1298/products/cube-attain-gtc-race-2016-black-gents-road-bike.aspx


    Not a big fan of Porsche bikes myself. :pac:
    https://shop1.porsche.com/germany/sport/bike/

    I think the Lambo one is pretty cook though :D
    https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/news/lamborghini-signature-unique-triathlon-bike


  • #326
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    More enforcement of the rules of the road is needed.

    In the mean time, we try and educate newbies on how they should cycle:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107593264&postcount=4

    Link not working. Might be because I am banned from the cycling forum!

    Anyway, I cycled to and from work on a cycle. Did everything I would do on a motorbike (lifesaver etc) and never had a problem or "near miss".


  • #327
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Yeah imagine people cycling bikes in attire suitable for that. It's like a football player wearing a football shorts, boots etc while playing football. Crazy concept.




    Not a big fan of Porsche bikes myself. :pac:
    https://shop1.porsche.com/germany/sport/bike/

    I think the Lambo one is pretty cook though :D
    https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/news/lamborghini-signature-unique-triathlon-bike

    Prefer the Rammstein one myself :D

    https://shop.rammstein.de/en/catalog/Out-About/On-The-Go/bike-rammstein.html


  • #328
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    pjohnson wrote: »
    No one would complain if we had young female cyclists like Puck Moonen!

    Puck-Moonen-A-character-from-an-fairy-tale-8.jpg

    Apart from the guy the likes to stare at men’s crotches.

    ETA: I’m late to the party. Alf got in there first.


  • #329
    Internet Friend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Internet Friend


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Yeah imagine people cycling bikes in attire suitable for that. It's like a football player wearing a football shorts, boots etc while playing football. Crazy concept.

    Shocking carry on all together, partaking in a sport and wearing appropriate attire :D


  • #330
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    prinzeugen wrote: »
    From my own observations at the crossroads in Rathgar, when the green man for pedestrians comes on, it will be people with expensive bikes/lycra that will be more likely to break a red.

    Green man does not mean go for cyclists. Strava has not helped.
    Have you tried observing the number of cars that go through the crossroads in Rathgar when the red light comes on? Usually one or two, but on a bad day, three or four from my own observations. And usually the drivers in the Mercs and the Beamers (sometimes those wearing golf jumpers) that are most likely to break a red.




    The Kop wrote: »
    He's looking for links again to specifc cases. Lol.
    Andrew lives in a black and white world.
    Cyclists good.. motorists bad...
    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.


    Except that I never mentioned links at all. I did ask if you had any information to back up your victim-blaming, so it looks like you don't. As I suspected.



    P_1 wrote: »
    Agreed and it's something the various cycling campaigns need to focus on.
    So the various cycling campaigns need to be focused on training cyclists? Despite the complete absence of any evidence showing that this is a factor in road deaths?
    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Eh.. The Garda figures were updated a few weeks ago to include this.

    By your own interpretation, a cyclist killed one person this year. A cyclist, on a cycle, died when they lost control.

    How do you know the motorists were to blame? Got links to the coroner's reports? Got links to any prosecutions of the motorists in the courts?

    There are plenty of videos from around the world of cyclists being killed because they went round the barriers at level crossings and got hit by trains.

    Bet you would blame the train driver not the cyclist that wanted a darwin award.
    So that's another no then - no specific information about any cyclist deaths in Ireland caused by cyclists, beyond the handful of cases that I mentioned. As I suspected.
    Iwouldinmesack wrote: »
    Kids, young foreign female visitors to the country and a professional cyclist by the look of her in the majority of the pictures you posted. And i didnt say theres none, i said most of the cyclists ive come across seem to be young fellas, middle aged fellas and middle aged women. Posting random pictures doesnt change that.


    They're not randam pictures. They're taken from the cycling Ireland website and a couple of cycling clubs, and a couple of other sources. I can post the same number again, and the same number again, and the same number again if that's what it takes to get you to see the substantial number of young females who are active club cyclists. About a quarter of Cycling Ireland youth members are female.


    But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant on this thread.


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  • #331
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Have you tried observing the number of cars that go through the crossroads in Rathgar when the red light comes on? Usually one or two, but on a bad day, three or four from my own observations. And usually the drivers in the Mercs and the Beamers (sometimes those wearing golf jumpers) that are most likely to break a red.









    Except that I never mentioned links at all. I did ask if you had any information to back up your victim-blaming, so it looks like you don't. As I suspected.





    So the various cycling campaigns need to be focused on training cyclists? Despite the complete absence of any evidence showing that this is a factor in road deaths?

    So that's another no then - no specific information about any cyclist deaths in Ireland caused by cyclists, beyond the handful of cases that I mentioned. As I suspected.



    They're not randam pictures. They're taken from the cycling Ireland website and a couple of cycling clubs, and a couple of other sources. I can post the same number again, and the same number again, and the same number again if that's what it takes to get you to see the substantial number of young females who are active club cyclists. About a quarter of Cycling Ireland youth members are female.


    But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant on this thread.



    So there is no evidence that lack of training caused cyclist deaths but you know all of them were caused by motorists?

    Please share the sources for this crap!

    And a car going through yellow lights is legal. A cyclist going through a red light while there is a green man is not. Cyclists far outnumber cars doing this. Fact.

    That is illegal, but hundreds of cyclists think it is Ok to do. Fact.

    And I am still waiting for you to provide proof that "motorists" killed xx number of people on the roads. I have asked you again and again to prove the false claims and you have never once provided evidence .


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