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Did Michael Peterson murder his wife?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Also the kids give me the creeps...


    Yeah the daughters were really sick, just fooling themselves when it's so ****ing obvious he killed her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭redblaze


    Just finished it and he definitely did it.

    Any other crime documentaries I can check that are as strong as this? I've already seen MAM, The Jinx and the Amanda Knox one. I tried both The Keepers and Evil Genius on Netflix but neither really grabbed me after a couple of episodes.

    I'm surprised no one has done one yet on Madeline McCann with similar high production values.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    redblaze wrote: »
    Just finished it and he definitely did it.

    Any other crime documentaries I can check that are as strong as this? I've already seen MAM, The Jinx and the Amanda Knox one. I tried both The Keepers and Evil Genius on Netflix but neither really grabbed me after a couple of episodes.

    I'm surprised no one has done one yet on Madeline McCann with similar high production values.

    Try"Murder on a Sunday Morning" and "The Central Park Five"

    In the case of MMcC, the thing is that no-one's been charged/convicted yet so the 'wrongful conviction' premise doesnt work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭2 Scoops


    I think he did it, coincidences like the incident in Germany just don't happen.

    The Documentary was heavily skewed in his favour, he lied about his injuries for money. For me that's a huge tell the guy isn't trustworthy and gives an insight into his character. If you tried to grab him he'd slip out of your hands like an eel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    redblaze wrote: »
    Just finished it and he definitely did it.

    Any other crime documentaries I can check that are as strong as this? I've already seen MAM, The Jinx and the Amanda Knox one. I tried both The Keepers and Evil Genius on Netflix but neither really grabbed me after a couple of episodes.

    I'm surprised no one has done one yet on Madeline McCann with similar high production values.

    Here's more, so that's your weekend spoken for!! :D

    https://www.innocenceproject.org/wrongful-conviction-media/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭redblaze


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Here's more, so that's your weekend spoken for!! :D

    https://www.innocenceproject.org/wrongful-conviction-media/


    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Have reached the end of the original trial part, watched the first episode after starting the hearing into the SBI guy.

    Of course I get that the doc is only showing certain aspects, but I really struggle to see how he was convicted. The build the case on the blowpock and blood, and have both the blood evidence (during the trail) called into question and then the blowpock turn up? What case is left. Seems to be that the jury decided that it must be him. Don't know how, or with what or why, but who else could have done it?

    He might very well have done it, but I cannot see how the prosecution won that case.

    I can't recall but did both sons have an alibi for that night?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    2 Scoops wrote: »
    I think he did it, coincidences like the incident in Germany just don't happen.

    The Documentary was heavily skewed in his favour, he lied about his injuries for money. For me that's a huge tell the guy isn't trustworthy and gives an insight into his character. If you tried to grab him he'd slip out of your hands like an eel.

    They do, thats why they are called coincidences!

    Whether he is trustworthy or not is completely irrelevant, being untrustworthy does not make one a murderer.

    In all likelihood he did kill her or at least had a part to play in it, but no way in hell in a semi functioning legal system should he have been convicted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,356 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Some interesting 'facts' on this article

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a21562822/did-michael-peterson-kill-kathleen-peterson-the-staircase-debt-money-motive/

    Point 2 in particular, that certainly did not come across in the series.
    Michael and Kathleen Peterson were in a lot of debt
    . Couple that with the fact that Michael was earning next to nothing and that Kathleen could soon be losing her job. Suddenly a motive starts to appear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Just finished it recently.


    I was curious as to what happened his brother. He seemed to be there a lot for the original trial but he doesn't show up in any of the later episodes that I can recall.

    As to whether he did it - possibly, but hard to see how he was convicted given the holes in the prosecution case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    Just finished it recently.


    I was curious as to what happened his brother. He seemed to be there a lot for the original trial but he doesn't show up in any of the later episodes that I can recall.

    As to whether he did it - possibly, but hard to see how he was convicted given the holes in the prosecution case.

    Had same thoughts but then he shows up in the final episode - and doesn't look overly healthy.

    So I'm surmising that a combination of health issues and that he lives a good bit away is the reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭BettePorter


    As someone above mentioned in passing ..... listen to the BBC podcast 'beyond reasonable doubt' ... great alternative views and a lot of info we never get to know in the French filmmakers work. Also fascinating where are they now updates .....particularly fascinating how the southern prosecuter lady frida ended up. It's about 12 or 15 podcasts long .....addictive listening. I actually changed my view after it. I can't link it but if you Google 'BBC podcast beyond reasonable doubt ' it'll come right up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    As someone above mentioned in passing ..... listen to the BBC podcast 'beyond reasonable doubt' ... great alternative views and a lot of info we never get to know in the French filmmakers work. Also fascinating where are they now updates .....particularly fascinating how the southern prosecuter lady frida ended up. It's about 12 or 15 podcasts long .....addictive listening. I actually changed my view after it. I can't link it but if you Google 'BBC podcast beyond reasonable doubt ' it'll come right up


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p054dybk/episodes/guide


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭redblaze


    TomOnBoard wrote: »


    This is an amazing podcast series that mentions so much that the Netflix documentary didn't.

    On Sunday the person behind the podcast interviewed Michael himself. I haven't had a chance to listen to the latest episode yet but this should be interesting https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09k0pj5

    I recommend you listen to all of them in order before this one however. It's impeccably researched


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,119 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    redblaze wrote: »
    This is an amazing podcast series that mentions so much that the Netflix documentary didn't.

    On Sunday the person behind the podcast interviewed Michael himself. I haven't had a chance to listen to the latest episode yet but this should be interesting https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09k0pj5

    I recommend you listen to all of them in order before this one however. It's impeccably researched

    The trouble is, if you've already watched "The Staircase", aaaaand read into the surrounding journalism as well as listening to podcasts etc, then, if you're like me, you're already totally 'punch drunk' when new stuff (like the Beeb's production) comes along.

    Frankly, I simply don't know how to deal with that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,118 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I read the title of the thread fast and I thought it said 'Did Michael D Higgins murder his wife?'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Tracker9


    I would say he did it but prosecution were all over the place


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    The detectives still seem damn sure he did it.

    As my old man used to say, there are two professions that lie for a living

    Police officers and estate agents


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭redblaze


    I read the title of the thread fast and I thought it said 'Did Michael D Higgins murder his wife?'




    That must've been a very fast read


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭BettePorter


    Just as an aside. The assistant prosecutor freda black was found dead the other day in her home (not at bottom of stairs I'd assumed ) she had a sad end . Her life spiralled after this case.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭redblaze


    Just as an aside. The assistant prosecutor freda black was found dead the other day in her home (not at bottom of stairs I'd assumed ) she had a sad end . Her life spiralled after this case.


    Severe alcoholism wasn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    I listened to Beyond Reasonable Doubt.

    I do not trust Michael Peterson, that blow poke thing is just dodgy - his solicitor would have ordered them if it was to help with the case.
    There's a few other red flags too, but that's one of the biggest, especially as they edited out the victims sister saying it was the wrong blow poke (or had been tampered with) in her speech in court!

    If he's innocent he's the guiltiest looking innocent man I've ever encountered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    I’ve watched the staircase and listened to some, though admittedly not yet all, of Beyond Reasonable Doubt. I don’t think anyone can declare him innocent but I struggle to see how anyone can categorically decide he’s guilty based on the evidence available. There’s a lot of people in this thread I hope never get to serve on a jury.

    A few points -
    Anyone claiming blood evidence as their basis for guilt needs to reevaluate the case based on the revelations about Duane Deaver. A man found to have falsified evidence in a multitude of cases.
    Regarding the blowpoke, it was apparently found by police and photographed during a search and then forgotten, but that’s from the mouth of David Rudolf so perhaps unreliable?
    If she was bludgeoned why was there no brain trauma?
    Sexuality & Germany are unrelated to this case and should have been inadmissable according to the trial judge.
    Apparently financial woes have been addressed, again according to a David Rudolf. So this motive could potentially be ruled out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭BettePorter


    It's just simply a case I to and fro with all the time. I actually like the guy and for me he comes over so earnest and the whole love he has from kids who tbf have plenty to of cause not to support him is something to be jealous of. Any one of us would be lucky to have such support from kids who aren't biologically ours or whose mother may or may not have been murdered by us.

    But

    There are a few small things that bother me and having started watching the series again they are more obvious on second viewing.

    In the first couple episodes I shows crime scene photos. One or 2 in particular struck me. There is one from the kitchen and u see Kathleen body on the floor .....then there is one of the body taken from above .
    The first one from the kitchen is basically (if we are to believe him ) the image that he saw when he came in from the garden.
    If I saw my wife like that....I'd instantly run to her ...then see the next scene which is her lying awkwardly at foot of stairs. I'd instantly be like wtf happened ....there's so much blood.....omg there's someone in the house ....shes been stabbed ....ring the cops. Yet he rings 911 and he's instantly 'oh she fell down the stairs!'

    Just doesn't ring true for me.

    Yet on the other hand ....If he did kill her I think we'd all agree it wasn't premeditated. In which case he was extremely lucky that he managed to do it without one bit of damage been inflicted on him /her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    I see David Rudolf will be in Limerick on Nov 28th and Dublin on Nov 29th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭ncmc


    I’ve seen The Staircase, listened to ‘Beyond Reasonable Doubt’ and read Diane Fanning’s book, Written in Blood. It’s a very hard case to make any sense of, the series is very biased in favour of Peterson, the book is very biased against him. The podcast is good, but I found it very repetitive and there was a lot of elements that could have been fleshed out but weren’t. I think one of the key issues that has never been explained is what Michael was doing for 2 hours after Kathleen came back in the house. She left the pool area at 12:30 to make a call and he didn’t call 911 until 2:40. It was about 12 degrees that night and would have felt cooler by the pool, it’s not exactly sitting out weather. Then you have the fact that several different people who were first responders at the scene state that the blood was quite dried yet Michael claimed (and still claims) that she was breathing during that first call. He still cannot account for his movements in those two hours.

    Also, there was some evidence of blood that had been cleaned up in the kitchen (notably near the washing machine and on the handle of the press where the wine glasses were kept) There is a theory that he poured glasses of wine and emptied the bottle down the sink to make it appear Kathleen had drank more than she did. In actual fact, her blood alcohol limit was .08 which was the legal driving limit at the time. I know Duane Deaver has been completely discredited and even when watching the Staircase, I couldn’t believe his crazy tests, but that doesn’t mean all his evidence is falsified. It is a fact that Michael had spatters on the inside of his shorts and on his shoes. Also, there was a bloody footprint on the back of Kathleen’s leg and as previously mentioned, there is evidence of attempted strangulation.

    I don’t like the way the series portrayed Candace as being a total nutjob, she had lost her sister, most probably to murder. She wanted the guilty party brought to justice. I don’t think that makes her crazy, it makes her understandably angry. Also, Peterson admits buying blowpokes during the trial, he claims it was because Rudolph wanted them, but if it was for the case, Rudolph would have ordered them. The blowpoke that was found in the garage was missing the 6 inch spike at the end, seems a bit suspicious!

    Overall, I think he is guilty. The fact that the state were willing to go ahead with a second trial despite Germany, his sexuality and Deaver’s testimony being inadmisable, must mean they still think they had a strong case. However, I think there is enough reasonable doubt that means I was surprised with the guilty verdict and the desire of the state to push for a retrial.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    Finished watching this recently - vacillated between not guilty and guilty throughout the series...ultimately I've decided I think he did it, but, the prosecution massively bungled it and he shouldn't have been convicted based on their prosecution.


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