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Did Michael Peterson murder his wife?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Also the kids give me the creeps...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭Underground


    The makers of Making A Murderer should be shot with their own balls of shíte for how much they twisted the true facts to make Avery look innocent. He is 100% guilty when even the smallest bit of research is done outside of that travesty of a documentary.

    Making A Murderer edited and left out so much to twist the real facts of the case that it should be under "Fiction" on Netflix.

    Oh yeah, Avery definitely did it. I was referring more to the first stint he did in prison where the police had got the wrong guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭Underground


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Also the kids give me the creeps...

    Am I the only one who thought the blue streaks in the hair at age 35 was weird? Or am I just wrong? Maybe I'm wrong...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    I found it way too long & most of it was it boring.

    I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.

    I heard rave reviews and found it very boring too. Interesting case of course..but I don't think worthy of a whole season show. I didn't like making a murderer or whatever it was called either though so maybe the genre just isn't for me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Also the kids give me the creeps...

    The eldest girl in particular I found very stranged


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    GingerLily wrote: »
    I wasn't at the trial, I think a lot of the more convincing evidence was not featured in the documentary.

    What was really lacking in the documentary was the plausibility of her falling down the stairs - based on previous cases. There must be tonnes of people who fall down the stairs all the time, did they not have similar injuries to his wife?

    I didn't base my opinion on the documentary ............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I heard rave reviews and found it very boring too. Interesting case of course..but I don't think worthy of a whole season show. I didn't like making a murderer or whatever it was called either though so maybe the genre just isn't for me

    Ya think?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Apropos of nothing, my favourite murder remains to be 2001’s German cannibalism case. Absolutely mental shit altogether.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭wonderwall900


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Is he guilty? Maybe..... possibly...... maybe not...... probably not.

    Should he have been convicted? Definitely not.

    Is it just and fair that he is a free man today? Absolutely!


    Could you (and a few others) please do some reading up on the case. What is presented in the documentary are not the full facts.

    This Reddit thread the sums up the facts that the director willfully edited out of the documentary: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/4f20u8/kathleen_peterson_michael_peterson_the_staircase/

    • Kathleen Peterson worked for a dot com bubble-affected company that was figuratively burning down ($398b to $5b in 2 yrs). Almost all workers had been laid off and she confided in a friend that she worried she would soon follow.
    • There was a $1.4 million life insurance policy on Kathleen. She was also the owner of the home, the car and had $350k in pension funds and her 401(K)
    • It was said that their (her, actually) net worth was around $2M
    • Michael's sons were all heavily in debt. His sons were not even close to being able to afford to pay the interest on their loans - much less reduce the principal
    • Either Michael was completely unwilling to discuss this issue with Kathleen or Kathleen had already said no to the idea of helping his sons
    • Michael suggested to his sons' mother Patty, whose net worth presumably wasn't 10% of Kathleen's, that she should take out a $30 000 home equity loan to help the boys out
    • Michael had no income and had not had any income to speak of for a long time
    • There was a bloody shoeprint on the backside of Kathleen's leg matched to the sneakers owned by Michael which were found next to the body
    • There was a drop of blood on the inseam of Michael's shorts
    • There was blood on the inside of the front door and a drop of blood was found on the porch
    • There were only trace amounts of blood in Kathleen's lungs suggesting she might not have coughed up 10 000 drops of blood
    • Her arms and hands had contusions (bruises) and cartilage in the front of her neck was fractured
    • Despite the colossal injuries to her head and neck area and contusions all over her arms she had zero injury to her knees and legs
    • Analysis of her brain revealed the presence of red neurons that suggest she had been alive for 45-120 minutes after her blood loss began - a neuropathologist testified that in his experience 120 minutes was the minimum she was alive for after her initial blood loss
    • The two paramedics who responded to the call arrived ten minutes after his initial call and both noted that the blood was very dry when they arrived
    • In the week leading up to the death he deleted a ton of files from his computer and after that installed a program designed to make deleting files easier


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Guilty!! 😂


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭wonderwall900


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Guilty!! ��


    100%


    Or as I said above, at least 90%. Which is well in the realms of beyond reasonable doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    That's a lot of effort when you couldn't care less.

    Agreed. I don't even know who they are. A link in the op probably would have helped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    I cant see any other explanation than he did it.

    Logically speaking.

    But if he beat her to death with something surely the evidence would be everywhere. On him on her on the surrounding area.

    If he came to her aid after she fell i would of expected there to be more evidence on him but they relied on a couple of dots of blood so it must have been some clean up job afterwards.

    As for the owl, if it began outside surely he would have heard her original screams. And its so crazy i suppose its hard to make it up.

    When the blow poke was named the murder weapon i thought he definitely didnt use that as it looked to be too lightweight to cause that sort of injury then miraculously it turns up with no evidence on it anyway.

    I was suprised he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭wonderwall900



    I was suprised he was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.


    Once again, what was presented in the documentary wasn't all the facts. It wasn't even all that was presented in the courtroom.

    Please do some research. Others on this thread desperately need to too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭wonderwall900


    There's now a whole subreddit for it https://www.reddit.com/r/TheStaircase


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I haven't watched it all the way through so I though the owl thing was just a meme kind of making fun of the defence clutching at straws or something, but I was just looking it up there and it certainly seems plausible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Once again, what was presented in the documentary wasn't all the facts. It wasn't even all that was presented in the courtroom.

    Please do some research. Others on this thread desperately need to too.

    Youve taken and quotes one sentence of what i said. And my opinion above is based only on the documentary and Not anything ive read after it. Just the documentary itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What's the likelihood of being attacked by an owl.

    In all seriousness, I've never heard of such a thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    Kind of an impossible question to answer with anything other than "I don't know".

    It's one of those situations where the prosecution did such a bad job that it ought to be impossible for a juror to miss the large amounts of reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubts that have actually been introduced by the prosecution themselves.

    I never really understood people in this case, and Making a Murderer too, who can turn round and say "definitely guilty". Hell, the fact that these cases are controversial enough to have successful documentaries made about them implies that they are not your everyday cut and dry, black and white, murder case.

    These are really documentaries about the justice system but people turn them into a "did he or didn't he" speculation when the whole point really is that we can't know because of how these people were prosecuted.

    The State's case here (and with Making a Murderer) simply doesn't make any sense so it's more interesting for a documentary to look at the flaws in the prosecutions and how they cut corners to make sure they put someone in prison.

    Maybe MP did do it but how many other people are out there in prison for crimes they didn't commit? How many times have prosecutors brought very dodgy cases to court and the jury has voted "guilty" and some innocent person has gone to prison as a result.

    I know for a fact I wouldn't want the "definitely guilty" people on a jury when the person is actually innocent and the prosecution is really f-ing dodgy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    What's the likelihood of being attacked by an owl.

    In all seriousness, I've never heard of such a thing.

    It's not super common but it's also not unheard of.

    http://www.newsweek.com/owls-attacking-humans-pets-cold-weather-778673

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4017467/owl-attacks-tsawwassen

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dive-bombing-owl-attacking-skiers-in-maine/

    https://cottagelife.com/general/great-horned-owl-attacks-skier-twice-leaving-him-with-16-puncture-wounds"

    That's just a quick Google search.

    For me the theory that she was attacked by an owl then ran into the house then fell on the stairs is unproven so far.

    There is some evidence but it was never looked into at the time so how would we ever know for sure now?

    I mean, I think this is a fundamental point in most of these documentaries. The police are not investigating what happened or investigating all possibilities. They are often actually ignoring things that don't fit their case or bringing in irrelevant thing to help their case (for example, "he says his marriage was happy but actually he was bisexual so how is that a happy marriage" doesn't really inform us on whether or not he would actually kill his wife)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I didn't base my opinion on the documentary ............
    Could you (and a few others) please do some reading up on the case. What is presented in the documentary are not the full facts.

    This Reddit thread the sums up the facts that the director willfully edited out of the documentary: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/4f20u8/kathleen_peterson_michael_peterson_the_staircase/

    • Kathleen Peterson worked for a dot com bubble-affected company that was figuratively burning down ($398b to $5b in 2 yrs). Almost all workers had been laid off and she confided in a friend that she worried she would soon follow.
    • There was a $1.4 million life insurance policy on Kathleen. She was also the owner of the home, the car and had $350k in pension funds and her 401(K)
    • It was said that their (her, actually) net worth was around $2M
    • Michael's sons were all heavily in debt. His sons were not even close to being able to afford to pay the interest on their loans - much less reduce the principal
    • Either Michael was completely unwilling to discuss this issue with Kathleen or Kathleen had already said no to the idea of helping his sons
    • Michael suggested to his sons' mother Patty, whose net worth presumably wasn't 10% of Kathleen's, that she should take out a $30 000 home equity loan to help the boys out
    • Michael had no income and had not had any income to speak of for a long time
    • There was a bloody shoeprint on the backside of Kathleen's leg matched to the sneakers owned by Michael which were found next to the body
    • There was a drop of blood on the inseam of Michael's shorts
    • There was blood on the inside of the front door and a drop of blood was found on the porch
    • There were only trace amounts of blood in Kathleen's lungs suggesting she might not have coughed up 10 000 drops of blood
    • Her arms and hands had contusions (bruises) and cartilage in the front of her neck was fractured
    • Despite the colossal injuries to her head and neck area and contusions all over her arms she had zero injury to her knees and legs
    • Analysis of her brain revealed the presence of red neurons that suggest she had been alive for 45-120 minutes after her blood loss began - a neuropathologist testified that in his experience 120 minutes was the minimum she was alive for after her initial blood loss
    • The two paramedics who responded to the call arrived ten minutes after his initial call and both noted that the blood was very dry when they arrived
    • In the week leading up to the death he deleted a ton of files from his computer and after that installed a program designed to make deleting files easier

    See my post above .............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    I only watched 2 episodes because I found it boring too. I think it was in the first sentence or 2 that he spoke that I decided he was guilty. If you look at it he paused briefly before naming the movie they had watched that evening. It was a deliberate pause for effect to convey a sense of the casual. Almost imperceptible but aiming at nuance. He was acting. I have been around actors and theatre quite a bit. He is an actor and a poor one at that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Malayalam wrote: »
    I only watched 2 episodes because I found it boring too. I think it was in the first sentence or 2 that he spoke that I decided he was guilty. If you look at it he paused briefly before naming the movie they had watched that evening. It was a deliberate pause for effect to convey a sense of the casual. Almost imperceptible but aiming at nuance. He was acting. I have been around actors and theatre quite a bit. He is an actor and a poor one at that.

    Be sure to have yourself excused from Jury Duty if you're ever selected.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    Oh look, another “Netflix Original” that I have seen years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Beach Fuzz


    Peterson had a romantic relationship with the documentary’s editor. Explains the bias to some degree at least.

    I think he did it. Occam’s razor and all that.

    (Watched the documentary a few years ago on YouTube).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Oh look, another “Netflix Original” that I have seen years ago.
    Beach Fuzz wrote: »
    Peterson had a romantic relationship with the documentary’s editor. Explains the bias to some degree at least.

    I think he did it. Occam’s razor and all that.

    (Watched the documentary a few years ago on YouTube).

    The last 3 episodes are new .............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Beach Fuzz


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    The last 3 episodes are new .............

    Didn’t know that. I’ll watch those, thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Be sure to have yourself excused from Jury Duty if you're ever selected.....

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  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 17,005 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    I reckon he did it, but I don't think it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt because of the bungling with the evidence handling and Duane Deaver.

    He seemed like a total sociopath and his reactions at a lot of times are utterly bizarre.

    The eye makeup on the prosecution attorney was so distracting, I'm surprised the jury were able to follow anything she said. I saw on an article that she's no longer practicing law and has a few DWIs under her belt now.

    The sister, the one that had the big meltdown in court, seems like a complete whack job as well.


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