GAA/Liam Miller/Páirc Uí Chaoimh

daheff · 20-07-2018 04:41PM #1

Liam Miller testimonial match was requested to be played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh to get a bigger crowd.

So GAA rules forbid playing of foreign sports in GAA grounds other than Croke Park.

How about a little bit of common sense /lee-way being shown here?

Concerts /non-sporting events can be at these other grounds. Surely if the organisers didnt call the event a soccer testimonial...but maybe a concert? (which ends up with some 'spontaneous outbreak of a GAA match where nobody touches the ball with their hands' etc etc cough cough, then it would get around this ban?

GAA should just effectively turn a blind eye to this event it would be better for their PR than the stance they currently have?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liam-miller-testimonial-sells-out-in-minutes-as-pressure-grows-on-gaa-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-snub-37138863.html

in any case i believe there is some issue with the fact 30m+ of public funds were provided for the grounds redevelopment on condition the ground was opened up for use by non GAA people too.

Trasna1 · 20-07-2018 04:48PM

daheff wrote: »

Liam Miller testimonial match was requested to be played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh to get a bigger crowd.

So GAA rules forbid playing of foreign sports in GAA grounds other than Croke Park.

How about a little bit of common sense /lee-way being shown here?

Concerts /non-sporting events can be at these other grounds. Surely if the organisers didnt call the event a soccer testimonial...but maybe a concert? (which ends up with some 'spontaneous outbreak of a GAA match where nobody touches the ball with their hands' etc etc cough cough, then it would get around this ban?

GAA should just effectively turn a blind eye to this event it would be better for their PR than the stance they currently have?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liam-miller-testimonial-sells-out-in-minutes-as-pressure-grows-on-gaa-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-snub-37138863.html

in any case i believe there is some issue with the fact 30m+ of public funds were provided for the grounds redevelopment on condition the ground was opened up for use by non GAA people too.

Can't they play it in Thomand Park?

Taytoland · 20-07-2018 04:48PM

Disgraceful from the GAA. I will not be voting for them.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 20-07-2018 04:50PM

Is he a singer?

Real Madra · 20-07-2018 04:51PM

Trasna1 wrote: »

Can't they play it in Thomand Park?

I'd imagine they feel that in order to get a decent crowd the game needs to be played in Cork.

Soulsun · 20-07-2018 04:54PM

The GAA will move on this.
It will be in PUC. Enough pressure from the right people.

Trasna1 · 20-07-2018 04:55PM

Real Madra wrote: »

I'd imagine they feel that in order to get a decent crowd the game needs to be played in Cork.

They only need to be able to get more people than fit in Turner's cross to justify playing it somewhere else. So are they saying less than 7000 people would travel to Limerick?

valoren · 20-07-2018 04:57PM

"The GAA's Rule 5.1 portfolio serves the purpose of safeguarding the use of its pitches, halls and space for GAA use only,"

Exactly what GAA use will be happening on a Tuesday afternoon next September?
€30 million was allocated for the renovation on the pretext that the grounds would be open and available, schedule permitting, for events such as this. Stating that it needs to go before the Congress is nothing but a (convenient) deflection because it's a Soccer match and in contravention of the terms the grant money was provided for.

Let it go ahead in Turners Cross, more intimate, and let the government crack down on the GAA for violation of terms of that agreement and donate the compensation to the charity in question.

vicwatson · 20-07-2018 04:59PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Is he a singer?

You mean WAS he a singer? No, he wasn’t. He died at 36 from Pancreatic Cancer. That’s all you need to know.

vicwatson · 20-07-2018 05:01PM

The GAA were given €30,000,000.00 of Irish taxpayers money towards the development of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. No strings attached.

Just sayin’

spurshero · 20-07-2018 05:01PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Is he a singer?

Ignorance is bliss . Get a grip

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 20-07-2018 05:02PM

vicwatson wrote: »

You mean WAS he a singer? No, he wasn’t. He died at 36 from Pancreatic Cancer. That’s all you need to know.

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

valoren · 20-07-2018 05:03PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Unrelated but I know what you mean. When Anthony Foley died, I had no idea who he was.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 20-07-2018 05:04PM

spurshero wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss . Get a grip

Maybe had it been in the sports forum. Here, it's quite conceivable that somebody doesn't know who he was.

spurshero · 20-07-2018 05:04PM

It’s ok for Ed Sherann to play there . It’s ok for nfl American sports to play in Croker . It’s ok for the Irish rugby and soccer team to play in Croker park . But not ok for a charity soccer event to play in a gaa stadium in cork to help the family of a 36 year old Irish international that left a wife and 3 young kids . The mind boggles

Trasna1 · 20-07-2018 05:05PM

valoren wrote: »

"The GAA's Rule 5.1 portfolio serves the purpose of safeguarding the use of its pitches, halls and space for GAA use only,"

Exactly what GAA use will be happening on a Tuesday afternoon next September?
€30 million was allocated for the renovation on the pretext that the grounds would be open and available, schedule permitting, for events such as this. Stating that it needs to go before the Congress is nothing but a (convenient) deflection because it's a Soccer match.

There were no strings attached, in fact the rules of the association that prevent ground sharing with other field sports is well known and the grants were given anyway.

snotboogie · 20-07-2018 05:06PM

vicwatson wrote: »

The GAA were given €30,000,000.00 of Irish taxpayers money towards the development of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. No strings attached.

Just sayin’

Except there were strings attached, a complaint was made to the European Commission regarding state aid affecting competition and a full investigation was launched. The EC only allowed the state aid after specifying that the GAA could not descriminate against other sports using PUC. So the GAA can either pay the 30 million back or open up PUC. Oh ya, Cork City have a UEFA cup tie coming up that if they win will mean that Turners Cross can't be used in the next round... This could rumble on long past the Liam Miller game

spurshero · 20-07-2018 05:06PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Maybe had it been in the sports forum. Here, it's quite conceivable that somebody doesn't know who he was.

Well your post came across as insensitive . Maybe ya didn’t mean it that way amd if not fair enough

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-07-2018 05:07PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Ex Irish international. Played for the likes of Celtic and Man Utd.

Had only just hung up his boots when he got struck down with that awful cancer and died shortly afterwards leaving behind a young family.

spurshero · 20-07-2018 05:08PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Except there were strings attached, a complaint was made to the European Commission regarding state aid affecting competition and a full investigation was launched. The EC only allowed the state aid after specifying that the GAA could not descriminate against other sports using PUC. So the GAA can either pay the 30 million back or open up PUC. Oh ya, Cork City have a UEFA cup tie coming up that if they win will mean that Turners Cross can't be used in the next round... This could rumble on long past the Liam Miller game

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-07-2018 05:11PM

spurshero wrote: »

It’s ok for Ed Sherann to play there . It’s ok for nfl American sports to play in Croker . It’s ok for the Irish rugby and soccer team to play in Croker park . But not ok for a charity soccer event to play in a gaa stadium in cork to help the family of a 36 year old Irish international that left a wife and 3 young kids . The mind boggles

They need Congress to vote on it.

The rule was only temporarily lifted back in 06 for the duration of the new Lansdowne Rd build. It went back into place as soon as the Aviva opened.

.G. · 20-07-2018 05:11PM

spurshero wrote:

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

They got beat in the champions league, they now go into the Europa league, that's what he/She is talking about.

spurshero · 20-07-2018 05:14PM

superg wrote: »

They got beat in the champions league, they now go into the Europa league, that's what he/She is talking about.

I didn’t know that . I thought they were out of Europe altogether . Best of luck to them

Taytoland · 20-07-2018 05:15PM

I have written in a complaint to this disgraceful action from the GAA.

snotboogie · 20-07-2018 05:15PM

spurshero wrote: »

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

It was the Chanpions League, the have been parachuted into the 3rd round of the UEFA cup in the favorable "Champions" side of the draw.

valoren · 20-07-2018 05:20PM

There is nothing in it for the GAA.

1. It's for charity so they can't take a cut of the gate receipt, it would be a PR own goal.
2. It's soccer and thus a 'foreign' game. (but they'd let NFL etc be played in future at PUC no problem I am sure, basically anything that isn't British in origin would get a game)
And 3. the stadium hasn't been full despite broadcasting Double headers and provincial finals it taking an acoustic singer to fill the place and the prospect of having it taking a football match to get a packed house would not sit well I'd imagine given the above even though it's a charitable non-competitive kick about.

A great charitable PR move would be to provide the stadium for use. Unlikely though.

Consider a situation where say Cork City qualified for the Champions League group stages.
They get drawn against say Liverpool, Roma and Real Madrid.
Now it would make sense to play the home games at a stadium and not a football ground.
You'd have the situation because of a GAA rule that the matches would not be played there but
mention that they will earn a lucrative fee from charitably allowing use of the facility and that rule isn't much of a rule anymore.
Imagine the situation where that archaic rule is the law and is enforced and the once in a lifetime matches are played at the Cross while an €80 million white elephant stands completely empty.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-07-2018 05:30PM

The American football thing is weird actually. It doesn't violate Rule 42 for some reason.

It seems to be only British invented games that are banned.

Skylinehead · 20-07-2018 05:30PM

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Clicking the link in the OP would have given you all the info you needed, but I suspect you weren't particularly interested anyway.

BENDYBINN · 20-07-2018 05:37PM

Pathetic that the soccer people have to go begging to the gaa for their field. Have they no shame?
Yet they can pay Keane and Neilo and Delaney a couple of million a year each to manage an embarrassment of a soccer team. Hope they give them the field,they are to be pitied

Kermit.de.frog · 20-07-2018 05:42PM

valoren · 20-07-2018 05:43PM

The excuse of needing to go to congress is a flimsy deflective excuse.

Perhaps the county board might learn of the words 'ad hoc' should the EU become interested in how discrimination is being flagrantly displayed with such excuses. I'm sure when going cap in hand to allow the government to apporve an extra 30 million there was no mention of 'congress' and it's required approval when agreeing to allow that the "facilities will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis. As stated above, the CCB [Cork County Board] will rent out the PUíC’s facilities to third parties to organise sporting and other commercial events"

GAA/Liam Miller/Páirc Uí Chaoimh

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