GAA/Liam Miller/Páirc Uí Chaoimh

daheff

Liam Miller testimonial match was requested to be played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh to get a bigger crowd.

So GAA rules forbid playing of foreign sports in GAA grounds other than Croke Park.


How about a little bit of common sense /lee-way being shown here?

Concerts /non-sporting events can be at these other grounds. Surely if the organisers didnt call the event a soccer testimonial...but maybe a concert? (which ends up with some 'spontaneous outbreak of a GAA match where nobody touches the ball with their hands' etc etc cough cough, then it would get around this ban?


GAA should just effectively turn a blind eye to this event it would be better for their PR than the stance they currently have?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liam-miller-testimonial-sells-out-in-minutes-as-pressure-grows-on-gaa-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-snub-37138863.html

in any case i believe there is some issue with the fact 30m+ of public funds were provided for the grounds redevelopment on condition the ground was opened up for use by non GAA people too.

Trasna1

daheff wrote: »

Liam Miller testimonial match was requested to be played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh to get a bigger crowd.

So GAA rules forbid playing of foreign sports in GAA grounds other than Croke Park.


How about a little bit of common sense /lee-way being shown here?

Concerts /non-sporting events can be at these other grounds. Surely if the organisers didnt call the event a soccer testimonial...but maybe a concert? (which ends up with some 'spontaneous outbreak of a GAA match where nobody touches the ball with their hands' etc etc cough cough, then it would get around this ban?


GAA should just effectively turn a blind eye to this event it would be better for their PR than the stance they currently have?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/liam-miller-testimonial-sells-out-in-minutes-as-pressure-grows-on-gaa-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-snub-37138863.html

in any case i believe there is some issue with the fact 30m+ of public funds were provided for the grounds redevelopment on condition the ground was opened up for use by non GAA people too.

Can't they play it in Thomand Park?

Taytoland

Disgraceful from the GAA. I will not be voting for them.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Is he a singer?

Real Madra

Trasna1 wrote: »

Can't they play it in Thomand Park?

I'd imagine they feel that in order to get a decent crowd the game needs to be played in Cork.

Soulsun

The GAA will move on this.
It will be in PUC. Enough pressure from the right people.

Trasna1

Real Madra wrote: »

I'd imagine they feel that in order to get a decent crowd the game needs to be played in Cork.

They only need to be able to get more people than fit in Turner's cross to justify playing it somewhere else. So are they saying less than 7000 people would travel to Limerick?

valoren

"The GAA's Rule 5.1 portfolio serves the purpose of safeguarding the use of its pitches, halls and space for GAA use only,"

Exactly what GAA use will be happening on a Tuesday afternoon next September?
€30 million was allocated for the renovation on the pretext that the grounds would be open and available, schedule permitting, for events such as this. Stating that it needs to go before the Congress is nothing but a (convenient) deflection because it's a Soccer match and in contravention of the terms the grant money was provided for.

Let it go ahead in Turners Cross, more intimate, and let the government crack down on the GAA for violation of terms of that agreement and donate the compensation to the charity in question.

vicwatson

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Is he a singer?

You mean WAS he a singer? No, he wasn’t. He died at 36 from Pancreatic Cancer. That’s all you need to know.

vicwatson

The GAA were given €30,000,000.00 of Irish taxpayers money towards the development of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. No strings attached.

Just sayin’

spurshero

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Is he a singer?

Ignorance is bliss . Get a grip

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

vicwatson wrote: »

You mean WAS he a singer? No, he wasn’t. He died at 36 from Pancreatic Cancer. That’s all you need to know.

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

valoren

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Unrelated but I know what you mean. When Anthony Foley died, I had no idea who he was.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

spurshero wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss . Get a grip

Maybe had it been in the sports forum. Here, it's quite conceivable that somebody doesn't know who he was.

spurshero

It’s ok for Ed Sherann to play there . It’s ok for nfl American sports to play in Croker . It’s ok for the Irish rugby and soccer team to play in Croker park . But not ok for a charity soccer event to play in a gaa stadium in cork to help the family of a 36 year old Irish international that left a wife and 3 young kids . The mind boggles

Trasna1

valoren wrote: »

"The GAA's Rule 5.1 portfolio serves the purpose of safeguarding the use of its pitches, halls and space for GAA use only,"

Exactly what GAA use will be happening on a Tuesday afternoon next September?
€30 million was allocated for the renovation on the pretext that the grounds would be open and available, schedule permitting, for events such as this. Stating that it needs to go before the Congress is nothing but a (convenient) deflection because it's a Soccer match.

There were no strings attached, in fact the rules of the association that prevent ground sharing with other field sports is well known and the grants were given anyway.

snotboogie

vicwatson wrote: »

The GAA were given €30,000,000.00 of Irish taxpayers money towards the development of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. No strings attached.

Just sayin’

Except there were strings attached, a complaint was made to the European Commission regarding state aid affecting competition and a full investigation was launched. The EC only allowed the state aid after specifying that the GAA could not descriminate against other sports using PUC. So the GAA can either pay the 30 million back or open up PUC. Oh ya, Cork City have a UEFA cup tie coming up that if they win will mean that Turners Cross can't be used in the next round... This could rumble on long past the Liam Miller game

spurshero

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Maybe had it been in the sports forum. Here, it's quite conceivable that somebody doesn't know who he was.

Well your post came across as insensitive . Maybe ya didn’t mean it that way amd if not fair enough

DEFTLEFTHAND

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Ex Irish international. Played for the likes of Celtic and Man Utd.

Had only just hung up his boots when he got struck down with that awful cancer and died shortly afterwards leaving behind a young family.

spurshero

snotboogie wrote: »

Except there were strings attached, a complaint was made to the European Commission regarding state aid affecting competition and a full investigation was launched. The EC only allowed the state aid after specifying that the GAA could not descriminate against other sports using PUC. So the GAA can either pay the 30 million back or open up PUC. Oh ya, Cork City have a UEFA cup tie coming up that if they win will mean that Turners Cross can't be used in the next round... This could rumble on long past the Liam Miller game

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

DEFTLEFTHAND

spurshero wrote: »

It’s ok for Ed Sherann to play there . It’s ok for nfl American sports to play in Croker . It’s ok for the Irish rugby and soccer team to play in Croker park . But not ok for a charity soccer event to play in a gaa stadium in cork to help the family of a 36 year old Irish international that left a wife and 3 young kids . The mind boggles

They need Congress to vote on it.

The rule was only temporarily lifted back in 06 for the duration of the new Lansdowne Rd build. It went back into place as soon as the Aviva opened.

.G.

spurshero wrote:

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

They got beat in the champions league, they now go into the Europa league, that's what he/She is talking about.

spurshero

superg wrote: »

They got beat in the champions league, they now go into the Europa league, that's what he/She is talking about.

I didn’t know that . I thought they were out of Europe altogether . Best of luck to them

Taytoland

I have written in a complaint to this disgraceful action from the GAA.

snotboogie

spurshero wrote: »

That Uefa cup match is over . Cork were well beaten so no worries there

It was the Chanpions League, the have been parachuted into the 3rd round of the UEFA cup in the favorable "Champions" side of the draw.

valoren

There is nothing in it for the GAA.

1. It's for charity so they can't take a cut of the gate receipt, it would be a PR own goal.
2. It's soccer and thus a 'foreign' game. (but they'd let NFL etc be played in future at PUC no problem I am sure, basically anything that isn't British in origin would get a game)
And 3. the stadium hasn't been full despite broadcasting Double headers and provincial finals it taking an acoustic singer to fill the place and the prospect of having it taking a football match to get a packed house would not sit well I'd imagine given the above even though it's a charitable non-competitive kick about.

A great charitable PR move would be to provide the stadium for use. Unlikely though.

Consider a situation where say Cork City qualified for the Champions League group stages.
They get drawn against say Liverpool, Roma and Real Madrid.
Now it would make sense to play the home games at a stadium and not a football ground.
You'd have the situation because of a GAA rule that the matches would not be played there but
mention that they will earn a lucrative fee from charitably allowing use of the facility and that rule isn't much of a rule anymore.
Imagine the situation where that archaic rule is the law and is enforced and the once in a lifetime matches are played at the Cross while an €80 million white elephant stands completely empty.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The American football thing is weird actually. It doesn't violate Rule 42 for some reason.

It seems to be only British invented games that are banned.

Skylinehead

Patricia Thoughtless Truth wrote: »

Sad. But I genuinely never heard of the chap.

Clicking the link in the OP would have given you all the info you needed, but I suspect you weren't particularly interested anyway.

BENDYBINN

Pathetic that the soccer people have to go begging to the gaa for their field. Have they no shame?
Yet they can pay Keane and Neilo and Delaney a couple of million a year each to manage an embarrassment of a soccer team. Hope they give them the field,they are to be pitied

Kermit.de.frog

valoren

The excuse of needing to go to congress is a flimsy deflective excuse.

Perhaps the county board might learn of the words 'ad hoc' should the EU become interested in how discrimination is being flagrantly displayed with such excuses. I'm sure when going cap in hand to allow the government to apporve an extra 30 million there was no mention of 'congress' and it's required approval when agreeing to allow that the "facilities will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis. As stated above, the CCB [Cork County Board] will rent out the PUíC’s facilities to third parties to organise sporting and other commercial events"

Harry Palmr

Bigots do what bigots do.

Trasna1

valoren wrote: »

The excuse of needing to go to congress is a flimsy deflective excuse.

Perhaps the county board might learn of the words 'ad hoc' should the EU become interested in how discrimination is being flagrantly displayed with such excuses. I'm sure when going cap in hand to allow the government to apporve an extra 30 million there was no mention of 'congress' and it's required approval when agreeing to allow that the "facilities will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis. As stated above, the CCB [Cork County Board] will rent out the PUíC’s facilities to third parties to organise sporting and other commercial events"

If it's a case that PuC has to opened up because of the grant (given and accepted on the grounds that it would help the RWC bid), then the GAA will almost certainly give the money back and never again participate in RWC or UEFA bid.

Still can't see why this can't be played in Thomand Park, or is there another agenda at work here?

Real Madra

Trasna1 wrote: »

They only need to be able to get more people than fit in Turner's cross to justify playing it somewhere else. So are they saying less than 7000 people would travel to Limerick?

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

snotboogie

Trasna1 wrote: »

If it's a case that PuC has to opened up because of the grant (given and accepted on the grounds that it would help the RWC bid), then the GAA will almost certainly give the money back and never again participate in RWC or UEFA bid.

Still can't see why this can't be played in Thomand Park, or is there another agenda at work here?

Haha so the GAA lose 30 million and the government loses a RWC they have said they will never bid for again and a "UEFA bid" which is a complete fantasy. Seems like an easy 30 million to me. The European Commission appeal had nothing to do with the RWC, it was about the blatant anti competition

Thomond Park is in Limerick....

secman

As Liam God rest him played both Gaelic and assoc football, it would garner much more attention if the game was played in a game of distinct halves . One half Gaelic and 2nd half Assoc football. Accumulation of scores to decide winner. Congress surely couldnt but sanction it.

Gas to see Rio and Vidic play GAA.
Would be a great celebration of Liams upbringing.

Trasna1

Real Madra wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

They have a lot of retired big names from Manchester United. Playing in Thomand wouldn't diminish attendance imo. Especially since Turner's cross sold out quickly.

This is needlessly confrontational, and it does seem perhaps there is another motive here.

c.p.w.g.w

Well if the GAA wish to not open the stadium then all the organisation government funding should be clawed back for the last 10 years. Richest "ameteur" organisation in the world... Wonder could the players be considered slaves ALLA college footballers in the states... Organisations make millions off the backs of unpaid athletes

Trasna1

snotboogie wrote: »

Haha so the GAA lose 30 million and the government loses a RWC they have said they will never bid for again and a "UEFA bid" which is a complete fantasy. Seems like an easy 30 million to me. The European Commission appeal had nothing to do with the RWC, it was about the blatant anti competition

Thomond Park is in Limerick....

Thanks for the geography lesson :rolleyes:

If the grant was given and received with the intention of facilitating a RWC bid and now the generosity in allowing PuC to be used as part of that bid now means CCB loses full control of their stadium that's bound to make people in the organization bitter and feel they were hoodwinked.

And there will be mutterings about other future tournament bids and there will be another attempt at a RWC bid in the future, even if the current govt says it won't every happen. But if it means the GAA will lose full control of their grounds in perpetuity then they won't participate.

ceegee

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well if the GAA wish to not open the stadium then all the organisation government funding should be clawed back for the last 10 years. Richest "ameteur" organisation in the world... Wonder could the players be considered slaves ALLA college footballers in the states... Organisations make millions off the backs of unpaid athletes

The GAA is richer than NCAA football and the IOC?

Poor_old_gill

I am a GAA man through thick and thin and all that nonsense but I have heard some people trying to defend the GAA's actions and saying that Irish soccer should be embarrassed about not having stadiums etc.

Anyone in the GAA thinking that this has anything to do with games promotion or giving a platform to other sports is absolutely cracked- it's to raise money for a family that have lost their husband and father. It will be a serious stain on the GAA if they dont get this sorted.

Vinnie222

Real Madra wrote: »

I suppose it depends on the popularity of the ex-players involved but in all likelihood I suppose they'd still get over 7,000. I remember going to a couple of senior international friendlies at Thomand a few years ago, against Australia and South Africa I think, and the attendances at both were very poor, so I still wouldn't absolutely bank on a good attendance at this if it was held in Limerick.

Roughly around 20000 for Australia but poor turnout for S Africa

Trasna1

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I am a GAA man through thick and thin and all that nonsense but I have heard some people trying to defend the GAA's actions and saying that Irish soccer should be embarrassed about not having stadiums etc.

Anyone in the GAA thinking that this has anything to do with games promotion or giving a platform to other sports is absolutely cracked- it's to raise money for a family that have lost their husband and father. It will be a serious stain on the GAA if they dont get this sorted.

I suppose some would see this as a ploy to get a foot in the door of PuC. They would see this as first it's a charity match, then a local team might want a big European game there, then they might find it's decided that Cork only needs one good sports stadium and finds itself hosting Munster and Cork city games.

Some might say, that's not a bad idea, but I can understand why some GAA people would think that this is the thin end of the wedge.

And soccer should be embarrassed by the state of it's stadiums. If FAI wages were diverted into capital projects instead of pockets Cork city would have a decent soccer ground.

Poor_old_gill

Trasna1 wrote: »

I suppose some would see this as a ploy to get a foot in the door of PuC. They would see this as first it's a charity match, then a local team might want a big European game there, then they might find it's decided that Cork only needs one good sports stadium and finds itself hosting Munster and Cork city games.

Some might say, that's not a bad idea, but I can understand why some GAA people would think that this is the thin end of the wedge.

And soccer should be embarrassed by the state of it's stadiums. If FAI wages we're diverted into capital projects instead of pockets Cork city would have a decent soccer ground.

That thing flying over your head is the point.

padd b1975

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Ex Irish international. Played for the likes of Celtic and Man Utd.

Had only just hung up his boots when he got struck down with that awful cancer and died shortly afterwards leaving behind a young family.

He had a better than average career.
I very much doubt his family have been left in poverty.

ChikiChiki

Been a member of the GAA all my life from when I was 6 to now at 31. Pulling home advantage in favour of money for Kildare was horrible for me.

Not permitting a charity match in aid of Liam Miller a local hero and cancer victim is absolutly scummy. Very ashamed with this decision. Absolutely disgusting and you would find most grassroots GAA members have the same opinion.

Code of the ****ing sport doesn't even come into this for all the neanderthals out there. FFS Ed Sheeran can play there. Its about doing the right thing.

And as another poster mentioned, if they dont sort this it will be a serious stain on the GAA. Many will walk away, myself included. The organisation as a whole is gone to ****.

TheRiverman

Does GAA Congress have to pass a motion allowing concerts to be held in their stadia ?

Johnnycanyon

The GAA are bigots and always were. They make me sick!

TheRiverman

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

The GAA are bigots and all was were. They make me sick!

Do you mean always ?

Johnnycanyon

TheRiverman wrote: »

Do you mean always ?

I do.

Trasna1

TheRiverman wrote: »

Does GAA Congress have to pass a motion allowing concerts to be held in their stadia ?

Only field sports, Greyhound and horse racing.