Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

bangkok · 20-07-2018 09:19AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Martial and Rashford don't play on the right so it's irrelevant to them.

Lingard is a poor winger he is much better through the middle.

Williian signing should not affect them

Considering we will be playing 3 midfielders though now with fred signing and sanchez/lukaku wont ever be dropped its hard to see them play

Also 4-3-2-1 you get the best out of lingard rashford sanchez martial etc proving a quality left back is signed

JaMarcus · 20-07-2018 09:21AM

https://twitter.com/hirstclass/status/1020120710042152961

There goes the Alex Sandro, or any other fullback, rumours.

Valencia survives another season. Unbelievable.

pjohnson · 20-07-2018 09:23AM

bangkok wrote: »

Considering we will be playing 3 midfielders though now with fred signing and sanchez/lukaku wont ever be dropped its hard to see them play

They could you know FIGHT for their place? Granted Martial didn't seem interested in competing with Sanchez last year, but he should. Outside of DDG, Matic & Rom, there is no player that auto-earns a spot in the side. Competition for places shouldn't scare players.

bangkok · 20-07-2018 09:24AM

JaMarcus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hirstclass/status/1020120710042152961

There goes the Alex Sandro, or any other fullback, rumours.

Valencia survives another season. Unbelievable.

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

Mitch Connor · 20-07-2018 09:25AM

JaMarcus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hirstclass/status/1020120710042152961

There goes the Alex Sandro, or any other fullback, rumours.

Valencia survives another season. Unbelievable.

Not really.

Could easily mean that will be the back four if no one is brought in.

Hopefully so anyway, cause if we don't improve our defenders we are fooked.

Did you think we were going to sell Valencia? Once we signed Dalot I was resigned to Valencia remaining first choice RB, until/unless Dalot unseats him.

JaMarcus · 20-07-2018 09:25AM

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

I don't mind him as a defender at all, but our team gives him the ball so, so much in attacking areas and the life gets sucked out of our attacks a result.

It's by far the most frustrating thing about watching United in my opinion.

Mitch Connor · 20-07-2018 09:27AM

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

Nah. He's a decent defender who can't cross the ball. Which at the top level isn't good enough, as we have seen proven time and time again over the last few seasons.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 20-07-2018 09:32AM

We will sign 2 more players in my opinion. Possibly waiting to see if any outgoing deals for Shaw can be done before moving for a LB.

Then most likely a RW. Can't see CB being a big issue for Mourinho unfortunately.

Backstreet Moyes · 20-07-2018 09:32AM

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

The majority of our games we need to break down teams who will be sitting back.

We need a rb who can provide delivery more importantly than defend and Valencia is not up to it. I cannot believe he is still first choice.

Drumpot · 20-07-2018 09:33AM

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

I’ve never understood the abuse young or Valencia get. Solid if not spectacular but Valencia is a workhorse. People desperate to point out whenever either puts in a bad cross and ignore anything else they give to the team.

Very reliable full backs in the traditional sense.

I’d still prefer to strengthen the center of defence and a RM ahead of a FB. If they can get a top quality FB I wouldn’t complain , I’m just not chomping at the bit for it.

Mitch Connor · 20-07-2018 09:40AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve never understood the abuse young or Valencia get. Solid if not spectacular but Valencia is a workhorse. People desperate to point out whenever either puts in a bad cross and ignore anything else they give to the team.

I’d still prefer to strengthen the center of defence and a RM ahead of a FB. If they can get a top quality FB I wouldn’t complain , I’m just not chomping at the bit for it.

All our width comes from our full backs. When our full backs can't provide width (because Valencia can't find anyone with a cross and Young cuts back inside rather than giving width) it becomes a major issue for the attack.

It isn't their fault that either Mourinho is a moron or Woodward incapable of signing replacements - but they will be the ones to get the brunt of the annoyance because they are the ones we see causing the problems on the pitch.

I want them replaced in the first team because I want United to be a better side. I'm happy for them to be backup players, cause their quality level is that of a great backup.

If we were to look to sell either tomorrow, no big club, no club looking to win the CL, is going to try to buy them as first team starters. Cause they aren't good enough at that level.

Same goes for our centre backs. If our players aren't good enough for other clubs, they shouldn't be considered good enough for us. But they are, cause United have little ambition to be better than 4th place and CL quarters.

Rossi IRL · 20-07-2018 09:42AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

O Connor is meant to be a huge talent is Jose thinking of a year or two down the line and persiting with young and Shaw.

O'Connor isn't a left back

Giggsy11 · 20-07-2018 09:42AM

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia is an excellent defender.... just can cross a ball

It's not just about making the crosses. Fullbacks should be good attackers now as teams don't rely on wingers to provide width. Also fullbacks only role is not just crossing, it's making overlapping runs, involved in build up play, play some nice passes and also to take on defenders.

Valencia does few things well but most times he looks clueless on the ball as he lost his acceleration and also pace.

He is a decent to good defender, no doubt it. I would even say he is good defender who is strong in one on one defending and also improved his positioning so much in last 2 seasons. We need more though in attacking.

Trigger · 20-07-2018 09:48AM

If no one comes in now and we start the season with what we have got, and run with last night’s set up Martial and Rashford will see plenty of time with Sanchez probably playing at the tip of the diamond there will be one of those playing beside Lukaku.

After Jose’s comments on the front three, we would probably start the season

Martial-Sanchez
——Mata
Herrera-Fred
——Matic
Shaw-Bailly-Smalling-TV
———DdG

That should be good enough for the start of the season we have till we get all the players back

bangkok · 20-07-2018 09:51AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve never understood the abuse young or Valencia get. Solid if not spectacular but Valencia is a workhorse. People desperate to point out whenever either puts in a bad cross and ignore anything else they give to the team.

Very reliable full backs in the traditional sense.

I’d still prefer to strengthen the center of defence and a RM ahead of a FB. If they can get a top quality FB I wouldn’t complain , I’m just not chomping at the bit for it.

Yep valencia gets through some amount of work considering he is nearly the only player on our right. He is excellent at reading the play and strong in the tackle. He chipped in with a few goals last season as well including prob utd goal of the season

Drumpot · 20-07-2018 09:52AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

All our width comes from our full backs. When our full backs can't provide width (because Valencia can't find anyone with a cross and Young cuts back inside rather than giving width) it becomes a major issue for the attack.

It isn't their fault that either Mourinho is a moron or Woodward incapable of signing replacements - but they will be the ones to get the brunt of the annoyance because they are the ones we see causing the problems on the pitch.

I want them replaced in the first team because I want United to be a better side. I'm happy for them to be backup players, cause their quality level is that of a great backup.

If we were to look to sell either tomorrow, no big club, no club looking to win the CL, is going to try to buy them as first team starters. Cause they aren't good enough at that level.

Same goes for our centre backs. If our players aren't good enough for other clubs, they shouldn't be considered good enough for us. But they are, cause United have little ambition to be better than 4th place and CL quarters.

Look at what Jose has brought in two seasons. Central players throughout the team. Where has the idea that he likes his full backs to be integral to the width of his teams come from?

He has bought 2 CBs, 3 CMs, 3 Central attacking players (Sanchez (he would Of prefered perisic), Zlatan, Lukaku). An entire spine for the team, the full back positions have not been a priority and I’m not sure they are in the sense you say. Jose traditionally likes his wingers to provide the width but he’s been stuck trying to fit Rashford, martial, Lingard and Mata in these positions. Had Woodward signed Perisic last season we would of been way more effective.

jayo26 · 20-07-2018 09:53AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not really.

Could easily mean that will be the back four if no one is brought in.

Someone hacked Mitch account.

Adamcp898 · 20-07-2018 09:56AM

JaMarcus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hirstclass/status/1020120710042152961

There goes the Alex Sandro, or any other fullback, rumours.

Valencia survives another season. Unbelievable.

The word start is key there. Its because they're the only senior players currently available for the beginning of the season. Plus, there's no way in hell Jose drops Young for Shaw like that.

The more worrying thing for me is that it appears even the papers aren't arsed making up transfer rumours for us.

Trigger · 20-07-2018 09:56AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not really.

Could easily mean that will be the back four if no one is brought in.

Hopefully so anyway, cause if we don't improve our defenders we are fooked.

Did you think we were going to sell Valencia? Once we signed Dalot I was resigned to Valencia remaining first choice RB, until/unless Dalot unseats him.

In fairness it could also mean that they will start the season as any new signings will be bedded in training wise before starting, also if they were at the WC, like if we are going for someone like Alderweirald, he won’t ready to go like the rest of the players who played on the last weekend(Lukaku, Pogba, Rashford etc etc..)

Giggsy11 · 20-07-2018 10:00AM

astradave wrote: »

If no one comes in now and we start the season with what we have got, and run with last night’s set up Martial and Rashford will see plenty of time with Sanchez probably playing at the tip of the diamond there will be one of those playing beside Lukaku.

After Jose’s comments on the front three, we would probably start the season

Martial-Sanchez
——Mata
Herrera-Fred
——Matic
Shaw-Bailly-Smalling-TV
———DdG

That should be good enough for the start of the season we have till we get all the players back

Also Leicester will have 2-3 key players missing also, Vardy, Maguire, Schmeichel. So this there shouldn't be any excuses from Jose's side about world cup and all that.

Lord TSC · 20-07-2018 10:07AM

https://streamable.com/6qdfq

Goal from last night for those who haven't seen it. Chong's pass looked awesome.

bangkok · 20-07-2018 10:10AM

I dont like our new kit at all.... no white shorts

Trigger · 20-07-2018 10:11AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

https://streamable.com/6qdfq

Goal from last night for those who haven't seen it. Chong's pass looked awesome.

I didn’t know Karius transferred to the states

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 20-07-2018 10:11AM

Jose said three weeks holiday is the minimum a player's body and mind need to recuperate after making the latter stages of the WC. So we will be without a good few players for the first home game of the season.

What i also want to believe, that means the top class defenders we will be signing all playing the final stages of the WC and won't be available for the first match or start of the season!

Excited

FutureGuy · 20-07-2018 10:15AM

Sorry guys,
I dropped the whole "We are not signing X" as i thought it was wearing thin.

Now I return to see we have had a ****e transfer window so far. We could have had Ronaldo and Bale and Neymar.

This is on me guys, this is on me.

Adamocovic · 20-07-2018 10:19AM

Any updates regarding Sneijder joining us?

Adamocovic · 20-07-2018 10:20AM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Sorry guys,
I dropped the whole "We are not signing X" as i thought it was wearing thin.

Now I return to see we have had a ****e transfer window so far. We could have had Ronaldo and Bale and Neymar.

This is on me guys, this is on me.

You must have forgotten that we've signed Grant.

Drumpot · 20-07-2018 10:21AM

Should it really be that hard to sign players very soon after WC?

There is nothing to stop a club negotiating with another club and agent of player during World Cup. An agent would generally know what a player wants so they wouldn’t need to keep checking back with the player. Just line it up so when do they finish World Cup they can get moving on making it happen.

Or do people think that loads of transfers wil happen when players start returning for pre seasons (after extended leave from World Cup) a week or so before the start of the league?!!!

Mitch Connor · 20-07-2018 10:27AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Look at what Jose has brought in two seasons. Central players throughout the team. Where has the idea that he likes his full backs to be integral to the width of his teams come from?

He has bought 2 CBs, 3 CMs, 3 Central attacking players (Sanchez (he would Of prefered perisic), Zlatan, Lukaku). An entire spine for the team, the full back positions have not been a priority and I’m not sure they are in the sense you say. Jose traditionally likes his wingers to provide the width but he’s been stuck trying to fit Rashford, martial, Lingard and Mata in these positions. Had Woodward signed Perisic last season we would of been way more effective.

It comes from....

Mata cutting inside from the right.
Martial/Rashford cutting in from the left.
Sanchez cutting in from the left.

None of the players that start in a wide attacking position offer width, they come inside.

So if it is not the attacking players providing width then it has to be the fullback - and it is clear from attacking patterns that Valencia is used as the wide player on the right

As for Jose signig central players over wide players - maybe that is down to Jose identifying the need to completely change the 11 he started with, but not being able to do it in one go - so starts central, as the spine is the most important part of building a side.

He has, imo, got the Attack and Midfield sorted in this respect. His efforts in defence have so far failed. We need a top CB, and then we need to look wide. RW and full back positions.

Which, are the positions everyone is calling out for.

Giggsy11 · 20-07-2018 10:28AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Should it really be that hard to sign players very soon after WC?

There is nothing to stop a club negotiating with another club and agent of player during World Cup. An agent would generally know what a player wants so they wouldn’t need to keep checking back with the player. Just line it up so when do they finish World Cup they can get moving on making it happen.

Or do people think that loads of transfers wil happen when players start returning for pre seasons (after extended leave from World Cup) a week or so before the start of the league?!!!

It depends on players, for example Fabregas signed for Chelsea when world cup started but most players want to focus completely on world cup and also like a break before making a major decision so that they are clear in their thoughts. Sounds silly but that's what I think happens.

Obviously majority of the negotiations will be done, just the final decision from player will be pending, in most cases players give their word and go for vacation and signs the deal once they return. (won't be surprised if they sign some precontract too so that buying club is not fecked in the last min).

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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