Anti Backing Bar

Hilltopman · 25-05-2012 4:29pm #1

Does anybody have any experience or information on these anti backing bars for a cattle crush. seem to be handy for a one man show. Any ones to buy or to avoid and a price guide if anyone has information I would appreciate it.
Thanks

Bodacious · 25-05-2012 10:26pm

Hilltopman wrote: »

Does anybody have any experience or information on these anti backing bars for a cattle crush. seem to be handy for a one man show. Any ones to buy or to avoid and a price guide if anyone has information I would appreciate it.
Thanks

E65 ,North connaught gold coop claremorris... would be lost without it now

Hilltopman · 30-05-2012 12:48am

Bodacious. Thank you for your reply. Was away for a few days. € 65.00 seems good value. How does it work for you. I have seen them up to € 200. Thanks Again

Bodacious · 04-06-2012 10:00pm

hi hilltopman,

here is the one i bought for E 65.. id be lost without it now,,.. its lighter than the more expensive ones and if a very wild animal was backing back at full tilt and hit it right out at the end, she would shift it but its grand for me.. slide it tight behind them so they have no big run at it

Farmer Pudsey · 04-06-2012 10:11pm

When the animal comes in will the bar accross the crush go sideways to allow it past

Bodacious · 04-06-2012 10:22pm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

When the animal comes in will the bar accross the crush go sideways to allow it past

Hi pudsey
No it's a fixed unit once in position... So to let in the next lot you must slide up vertical section and have the 2 bits ready when next few go through and slide it up behind the last one and work away!

keep going · 26-01-2013 12:36am

made up a couple of these yesterday and tried them out today as i was dosing the cows.NO crush should be without them,they are an absolute gift.they are spring loaded so no handling but they have to be postioned right in the crush

micky mouse · 26-01-2013 12:50am

Bodacious wrote: »

E65 ,North connaught gold coop claremorris... would be lost without it now

Looks a good job.Do you know if available in all of there stores

Bodacious · 26-01-2013 12:56am

micky mouse wrote: »

Looks a good job.Do you know if available in all of there stores

id say so.. great value too, galvanised as well

micky mouse · 26-01-2013 12:59am

Thanks .Looks serious value

Bigbird1 · 26-01-2013 2:59am

keep going wrote: »

made up a couple of these yesterday and tried them out today as i was dosing the cows.NO crush should be without them,they are an absolute gift.they are spring loaded so no handling but they have to be postioned right in the crush

How exactly did you made yours?

ootbitb · 26-01-2013 8:56am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7i-cQtNoY

blue5000 · 26-01-2013 2:18pm

Bodacious wrote: »

hi hilltopman,

here is the one i bought for E 65.. id be lost without it now,,.. its lighter than the more expensive ones and if a very wild animal was backing back at full tilt and hit it right out at the end, she would shift it but its grand for me.. slide it tight behind them so they have no big run at it

Have the same as that but took the loop off the top. Was always catching in it as we walked past it when it was swung out to let in another beast. After a few years the bar it sits on will change shape from pressure. Overall a good job, AI man took it home to make one:pac:

conseng · 26-01-2013 2:53pm

Have the one pictured above for years but a few mad beasts had bent the crush tubes by kind of sitting on it. My dad bought the one shown in the link below recently and it seems a better job. Has a double bar behind the animal and a better fixing on the tube and does not need to come off the tube to let another animal past, just pull it out of the way. I'm not sure how to insert a link so this might not work. I dont know how much he paid for it.

http://www.our.ie/county-sligo/sligo/agriculture-industry-forestry-and-fishing/gl-engineering/WEB642/

pakalasa · 26-01-2013 5:01pm

True, everyone should have one. I find now, with one, I can work away on my own, without help, dosing, injecting etc. The cattle are a lot less stressed too, as there is only one person, who they are used to, and no shouting and hitting them to get them to go up the chute.

satstheway · 28-02-2013 9:53pm

What stops the device from pushing back?

blue5000 · 28-02-2013 10:28pm

satstheway wrote: »

What stops the device from pushing back?

When a cow pushes back on it the box part locks on to the bar of the crush, it sort of twists backwards. Very simple idea really.

satstheway · 28-02-2013 10:52pm

That's what I thought but I was trying to make one and my box part
has to be fairly short about 60mm before it gets enough twist to grip.
In the pictures I see some look to be about 160mm and work ok. do they have teeth of some kind or a edge of some sort to grip better.

blue5000 · 28-02-2013 11:20pm

I don't understand what you mean.

The weight of the cow pushing back is enough to lock it, no teeth involved at all. Because the pressure of the cow is out about 30cm out from the crush bar, the pressure at the crush bar is 10x her pushing force, a bit like a crowbar.

The box I was talking about is the square piece around the crush bar. It is only about 4mm bigger than the crush bar, so if it is 50mm pipe, the box is about 54mm square.Can you wait till I measure it tomorrow, You are hardly going to make it tonight sure?;)

pakalasa · 28-02-2013 11:35pm

Blue, the 54mm you're talking abut is the width. He's talking about the length of this piece. I know what he's saying. If it's too long, it won't grip.

satstheway · 28-02-2013 11:54pm

Thanks lads
a few measurements and or pics of the mechanism would be great

loser2old4board · 01-03-2013 11:36pm

On a related topic, does any of you know of any way of stopping a wild animal from rising up on the animal in front. This causes us all sorts of problems, the one in front can 'go down' under the weight, or last year we had one that rose up high enough to flip over on their back. Managed to get him out. Have any of you used a bar/s running along on top to prevent this or would it cause further hazards.

blue5000 · 01-03-2013 11:38pm

loser2old4board wrote: »

On a related topic, does any of you know of any way of stopping a wild animal from rising up on the animal in front. This causes us all sorts of problems, the one in front can 'go down' under the weight, or last year we had one that rose up high enough to flip over on their back. Managed to get him out. Have any of you used a bar/s running along on top to prevent this or would it cause further hazards.

I just stopped breeding limousins:D

Bodacious · 02-03-2013 12:16am

loser2old4board wrote: »

On a related topic, does any of you know of any way of stopping a wild animal from rising up on the animal in front. This causes us all sorts of problems, the one in front can 'go down' under the weight, or last year we had one that rose up high enough to flip over on their back. Managed to get him out. Have any of you used a bar/s running along on top to prevent this or would it cause further hazards.

If you know the troublemaker ... Let 2 ahead of him through and jam his head in the gate and squeeze three more up his ass to tighten him up

pakalasa · 02-03-2013 11:57am

loser2old4board wrote: »

... or last year we had one that rose up high enough to flip over on their back. Managed to get him out. ...

This is why you shouldn't have a concrete walk along the side of the crush. Also helps if the bars along the side can be pulled back fully or the sides swing out like a gate.

blue5000 · 02-03-2013 2:01pm

satstheway here is a few pics of mine, it goes on a 50mm pipe, but look at the first pic, the bar has a fair few notches on it over the years.
The box part is roughly 60mm by 55mm and is made of flat 10mm x 50mm bar. The upright part(handle) is two flats welded back to back, and the pipe behind the cow is 650mm long x 50mm. Hope this helps.

blue5000 · 02-03-2013 2:03pm

2 more pics, sorry about quality, did with phone.

satstheway · 02-03-2013 9:27pm

Good man Blue.
will dawn the welding mask again. Must be some pressure on to kink round pipe but I bet to beats a arm getting broken between a crush upright and a leg

04-03-2013 2:00pm

Thanks Blue that backing bar does look smart

Hasseyy · 17-01-2014 11:17pm

very late on this post - this came up in google when i searched backing bars. To make these, what size and thickness of steel is needed? I can measure and then fabricate to suit my own crush. Any help would be appreicated , dont want to buy the wrong stuff and then it be of no use ! Thanks

MikeSoys · 19-07-2018 9:48pm

Im looking into getting one of these Anti Backing Bars for the race. there seems to be allot of options searching on google. ive store/finished cattle only...any recommendations of brand in the cavan region?
...also what do you guys use if you want to let out the first 3 cattle nearest the crush? rather then just manually stand there stopping bullock #4 from exiting is there better options i could consider[for a 1 man operation]?

nhg · 20-07-2018 7:16am

MikeSoys wrote: »

Im looking into getting one of these Anti Backing Bars for the race. there seems to be allot of options searching on google. ive store/finished cattle only...any recommendations of brand in the cavan region?
...also what do you guys use if you want to let out the first 3 cattle nearest the crush? rather then just manually stand there stopping bullock #4 from exiting is there better options i could consider[for a 1 man operation]?

We bought these Condon Anti-backing bars from FRS, we needed to fit 2 of them to give us more options in the crush...

patsy_mccabe · 13-09-2018 11:37am

Had to put ointment in a cows eye last night. Had her in 2 days before, so she would not go up the crush into the head gate. Left the anti backing bar at another crush over a mile away as I was injecting an other lame cow there. She just would not move, so I had to put a halter on her at the back of the crush.
Just made me realise how handy those anti backing bars are for such a simple thing.

Muckit · 13-09-2018 12:43pm

I wouldn't obsess about a headgate esp if it doesn't have headscoop it can be as useful as a chocolate teapot.
A few stock front and back, slip on halter and tie to bar with running knot.

But u are right those anti back bars are great. Got one last year.

Limestone Cowboy · 13-09-2018 1:15pm

Muckit wrote: »

I wouldn't obsess about a headgate esp if it doesn't have headscoop it can be as useful as a chocolate teapot.
A few stock front and back, slip on halter and tie to bar with running knot.

But u are right those anti back bars are great. Got one last year.

Got a bo steel one a few weeks ago. Find it a mighty job.

visatorro · 13-09-2018 7:26pm

Muckit wrote:

I wouldn't obsess about a headgate esp if it doesn't have headscoop it can be as useful as a chocolate teapot. A few stock front and back, slip on halter and tie to bar with running knot.

Muckit wrote:

But u are right those anti back bars are great. Got one last year.

Bought backing bar and head scoop off crowd in Galway. Wouldn't be without backing bar.
Headsoop was going to be a retro fit job. It was only in the way and didn't catch the cows right. Don't use it anymore. Saying that I couldn't bolus a cow yesterday, just too wild. I might investigate another way.

Limestone Cowboy · 14-09-2018 4:35pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Got a bo steel one a few weeks ago. Find it a mighty job.

Here's the one I got. Find it right sturdy. Won't kink the tubes either.

Muckit · 14-09-2018 8:10pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/anti-backing-bar/3569143

I got this one

Timmaay · 22-10-2018 9:47pm

https://www.magentadirect.ie/Vet-Equipment/SPRINT-ANTI-BACKING-BAR

Any price on them? The above looks good but fairly expensive.

visatorro · 22-10-2018 9:57pm

Timmaay wrote:

Any price on them? The above looks good but fairly expensive.

Same as the one I have. Got it from barrett eng in Galway, website says 220 plus vat.
It's a good yoke imv.

Leonidas BL · 26-03-2019 6:06pm

Muckit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/anti-backing-bar/3569143

I got this one

My dad makes that one. Its 150 euro

MikeSoys · 03-04-2019 6:59pm

last year we got boSteel seems strong for bullocks.. 190e
2.5" crush tube anti backing bar which is €175 including VAT and
€15 extra for delivery by DPD so its €190

Muckit · 04-04-2019 2:38pm

Muckit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/anti-backing-bar/3569143

I got this one

Noticed mine has kinked crush bar which is a balls cos now won't slide up past it. And l don't have bulls or big bullocks only heifers.

And it's well made apart from that.

FeelTheBern · 13-11-2020 1:13pm

Looking at buying one of these.

If I’m reading the posts right it seems that the type that you can slide along the crush (like the Barrett one) are handy but the problem can be that they can kink the bar on the crush. Have many had this issue with them?

Can the Bo Steel type one that Limestone has be slid up along after the cattle as well or do you have to pick your spot for it and work with that?

The one you slide looks handier for my job but if can’t be slid once Crush bar kinks not much addition! Thanks

Leonidas BL · 13-11-2020 1:37pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Looking at buying one of these.

If I’m reading the posts right it seems that the type that you can slide along the crush (like the Barrett one) are handy but the problem can be that they can kink the bar on the crush. Have many had this issue with them?

Can the Bo Steel type one that Limestone has be slid up along after the cattle as well or do you have to pick your spot for it and work with that?

The one you slide looks handier for my job but if can’t be slid once Crush bar kinks not much addition! Thanks

Hi, I heard the very odd person mention that the crush tubing was kinking, but it was the very light tubing they were using. If you are using the standard 48mm x 2.5 CHS tubing, it should be fine. This is the tubing used in our crush.

Im not sure about the Bo Steel version.

If you'd like to know more, call 0868377805

tancoman · 14-11-2020 12:34am

As a matter of interest, roughly what length of a race would be required to hold three (3) x 300 kg bullocks without a backing bar.

richie123 · 14-11-2020 9:16pm

I bought one and sold it on.
Found it an absolute nuisance
Cattle tended to stop in front of it and defeated the purpose of the job..I wasn't long about taking it out it just created more work.

lab man · 15-11-2020 12:01am

I bought a barrett one linked my crush too twas blue band piping too thought twas only me that this would happen to

ruwithme · 15-11-2020 12:20am

Seems these anti backing bars are really crush specific,as in would want to be made to order.

I,, post apic another time of my one,but 1st animal i used it with,i pushed it up to much against her with head in skulling gate and she ended up sitting on the horizontal bar of it,damaging the vertical part if it.

Seller took it back,claimed he never seen the like of it happen,repaired it with more strength,lasted somewhat longer,but eventually went again in same place. Haven't seen,sight nor light of the seller since.

Had to weld in another bar for crush,as it was too low on 2year old stocks arse.other times it could be too high for a younger animal.

Leonidas BL · 17-11-2020 6:08pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Seems these anti backing bars are really crush specific,as in would want to be made to order.

I,, post apic another time of my one,but 1st animal i used it with,i pushed it up to much against her with head in skulling gate and she ended up sitting on the horizontal bar of it,damaging the vertical part if it.

Seller took it back,claimed he never seen the like of it happen,repaired it with more strength,lasted somewhat longer,but eventually went again in same place. Haven't seen,sight nor light of the seller since.

Had to weld in another bar for crush,as it was too low on 2year old stocks arse.other times it could be too high for a younger animal.

Ive heard that a few times with the single bar. Our bar is a double and adjusts from 9 inches up to 15 inches. It also can be made for any size of pipe.

The blue band tubing can slightly kink sometimes and it would take and awful beast of an animal to do it, but even with a slight kink, the anti backing bar is still easy enough to slide past it.

Ger22 · 14-09-2021 11:40am

I recently got an anti backing bar because I thought it would make handling the cattle much easier. Turns out it just slides down the pin. If a cow pushes up against it at all, it just slides so doesn't keep them in place. Any advice to stop them from slipping?

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