Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

pjohnson · 18-07-2018 12:34PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

ManUtd wated
Striker - signed Lukaku
CB: Nailly and Lindelof
RB - Dalot
DM - Matic
Star midfielder - Pogba
Controlling one - Fred
Star wide player - Sanchez

Out of 10 outfield players, 8 are Jose's signings. We have identified and signed players, shame Jose didn't get best out of players.

Dalot and Fred havent even played a non-competitive game for the club and you are blaming Jose already :pac:

TitianGerm · 18-07-2018 12:36PM

brinty wrote: »

Absolutely was a stupid thing to say but when you consider what he's said and now done it makes for eye watering reading

World record fee for a defender on Van Dijk £75m previous record was £50 by citeh a couple of times over .. think Laporte was then bought for 57m thereafter

Current record fee for a goalkeeper £34m by Citeh on Ederson... and we're looking at a fee of £67m for Allisson...

That's 50% on top of the then record for Van Dijk and 100% on top if this Allisson deal goes through... that's not incremental growth that's at rogue trading levels crazy

but hey so long as the "net spending" is ok...

Liverpool also signed a hugely improved sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered last year. That with the Couthino money and Champions League revenue it has nothing to do with Net Spend.

The club are been ran well by FSG and are finally addressing weaknesses in the squad.

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 12:43PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

ManUtd wated
Striker - signed Lukaku
CB: Nailly and Lindelof
RB - Dalot
DM - Matic
Star midfielder - Pogba
Controlling one - Fred
Star wide player - Sanchez

Out of 10 outfield players, 8 are Jose's signings. We have identified and signed players, shame Jose didn't get best out of players.

Not signed this summer.
Not signed this summer. Not Signed this summer.
Signed this summer - completely unproven and no idea if that will solve the right back issue, Lindelof hasn't solved CB so we are confident our latest (even younger) recruit from Portugal is going to be our star.
Not signed this summer.
Not signed this summer.
SIgned this summer - have to assume/hope he solves one of the issues.
Not signed this summer - caused more problems than he has solved.

Going into this summer, the issues basically everyone was in agreement on:

Need to improve CB significantly - NOTHING done. Massive worry.
Need to improve at LB significantly - NOTHING done. Massive worry.
Need to improve at RB - Dalot signed, but seemingly as a longer term prospect. Still going to be Valencia first choice. Massive worry.
Need to improve at CM - Fred signed. Hoping he will prove to be the signing we needed there.
Need a righted sided player to balance our attack. NOTHING done. a big worry.

But sure, the two CBs that have been injured or unused most of last season, be great. The left back Jose has publicly slammed after pretty much every fleeting performance, he'll be great too.

Jose is going to a much more robust defence and functioning attack out of the same group of players he has failed to get those things out of in 24 months.

We are going to go from being 19 points off the title and knocked out of europe by Seville in two humiliating games by adding one central midfielder and a back up right back.

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 12:46PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Liverpool also signed a hugely improved sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered last year. That with the Couthino money and Champions League revenue it has nothing to do with Net Spend.

The club are been ran well by FSG and are finally addressing weaknesses in the squad.

But Klopp said he would quit football before spending such fees. He didn't say "I'll quit unless such fees are funded by good business".

I mean he said it over United signing Pogba - funded by massive sponsorship deals and merchandise income. If it was terrible for United to fund such a deal in such a way, why is it ok for Liverpool to do so now? Is it cause Klopp was talking through his ass for the benifit of his fans and was as wrong then as United fans said? If that is the case, just acknowledge he was is a liar and/or a hypocrite.

Bret Hart · 18-07-2018 12:46PM

xtal191 wrote: »

At the moment Liverpool are looking like the only team who might even challenge City.

Get a ****ing move on Jose and Woodward

It'll be between them for the title next season and,well will do well to get top 4.

I do believe our business is fininshed for this window.

Will I Am Not · 18-07-2018 12:51PM

Bret Hart wrote: »

I do believe our business is fininshed for this window.

Not a hope. All your posts are “end of the world” stuff since last season. OTT negativity on literally everything.

yabadabado · 18-07-2018 12:51PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Yup it's terrible that Klopp is spending big money to fix long standing problem areas in the team which have cost Liverpool so many points over the last few seasons.

That's not the point is it?
It was an idiotic statement to make, makes Klopp look foolish and will be a stick used to beat him with if things don't go to plan.

TitianGerm · 18-07-2018 12:54PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But Klopp said he would quit football before spending such fees. He didn't say "I'll quit unless such fees are funded by good business".

I mean he said it over United signing Pogba - funded by massive sponsorship deals and merchandise income. If it was terrible for United to fund such a deal in such a way, why is it ok for Liverpool to do so now? Is it cause Klopp was talking through his ass for the benifit of his fans and was as wrong then as United fans said? If that is the case, just acknowledge he was is a liar and/or a hypocrite.

£90m two years ago was huge. Two years later and were after seeing PSG blow that £90m fee out of the water.

Barkley cost £15m with 6 months on his contract, Jordan Ibe went for £15m, Zaha is valued at £60m+. Couthino was nearly £140m.

The fees are gone crazy. I doubt Jose, Klopp or any manger was expecting them to jump so much. I'd say they all thought the Pogba fee would be a record for a long time and that the market would normalise itself.

Like De Gea might have been worth £50m two years ago, now United wouldn't blink for less than £100m.

The market moved on. Klopp had to start paying large fees for excellent players or he could be paying £20m for average guys.

If the Alisson transfer goes through I wonder how Liverpool and Untieds spending compares since both managers came in? I'd think Liverpool will be slightly higher now.

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 12:55PM

yabadabado wrote: »

That's not the point is it?
It was an idiotic statement to make, makes Klopp look foolish and will be a stick used to beat him with if things don't go to plan.

Can be used as a stick to beat him with even if it does go to plan.

According to what he said, he has completely abandoned his philosophy and beliefs to get the W. Ends justify the means, probably, definitely where fans are concerned. But the reality is that he is a fraud, now, based on the words he said, regardless of how the land lies in May.

jayo26 · 18-07-2018 12:55PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Not a hope. All your posts are “end of the world” stuff since last season. OTT negativity on literally everything.

You forgot irritating.

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 12:59PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

£90m two years ago was huge. Two years later and were after seeing PSG blow that £90m fee out of the water.

Barkley cost £15m with 6 months on his contract, Jordan Ibe went for £15m, Zaha is valued at £60m+. Couthino was nearly £140m.

The fees are gone crazy. I doubt Jose, Klopp or any manger was expecting them to jump so much. I'd say they all thought the Pogba fee would be a record for a long time and that the market would normalise itself.

Like De Gea might have been worth £50m two years ago, now United wouldn't blink for less than £100m.

The market moved on. Klopp had to start paying large fees for excellent players or he could be paying £20m for average guys.

If the Alisson transfer goes through I wonder how Liverpool and Untieds spending compares since both managers came in? I'd think Liverpool will be slightly higher now.

Doesn't matter.

I think you are wrong in saying people thought Pogba's fee would stand a record for time - everyone could see where fees were going - it was said at the time, and Klopp said he wouldn't join in spending such fees. it was against how he thought football should be. He would quit before doing it.

Now he has done it because, as was expected and said in rebuttal to him at the time, transfers fees dictate you have to spend these figures to sign top players.

The market moved on EXACTLY as was expected - so the reality doesn't change the fact Klopp has abandoned his philosophies and beliefs, according to what he said.

Cantona's Collars · 18-07-2018 01:02PM

yabadabado wrote: »

That's not the point is it?
It was an idiotic statement to make, makes Klopp look foolish and will be a stick used to beat him with if things don't go to plan.

I can get a ready supply of sticks if this happens.

TitianGerm · 18-07-2018 01:02PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Doesn't matter.

I think you are wrong in saying people thought Pogba's fee would stand a record for time - everyone could see where fees were going - it was said at the time, and Klopp said he wouldn't join in spending such fees. it was against how he thought football should be. He would quit before doing it.

Now he has done it because, as was expected and said in rebuttal to him at the time, transfers fees dictate you have to spend these figures to sign top players.

The market moved on EXACTLY as was expected - so the reality doesn't change the fact Klopp has abandoned his philosophies and beliefs, according to what he said.

If you don't adapt to the changing market/game you'll be left behind.

If sure plenty of United fans would be delighted if Liverpool/Klopp were still just paying £15-£20m for players and watching them slide further down the table.

£50m isn't a big fee anymore.

jayo26 · 18-07-2018 01:03PM

Lads who cares if he is a hypocrite seriously? Do you think the pool fans are saying oh dear our manager should resign or we shouldn't spend That?

It's same as people bullsh1yting about Jose having no morals!!! Who cares I don't have to have lunch with him or anything just get results you can say whatever you want after that.

bangkok · 18-07-2018 01:08PM

Bret Hart wrote: »

It'll be between them for the title next season and,well will do well to get top 4.

I do believe our business is fininshed for this window.

No chance our business is done

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 01:09PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

If you don't adapt to the changing market/game you'll be left behind.

If sure plenty of United fans would be delighted if Liverpool/Klopp were still just paying £15-£20m for players and watching them slide further down the table.

£50m isn't a big fee anymore.

Sentence 1 - I agree. It is Klopp who said he would quit before doing so and that his philosophy dictated a difference way of building a team.

Sentence 2 - I agree. This would be more in line with what Klopp said though.

Sentence 3 - I agree. Again, it is Klopp you are arguing against.

I'm not saying Liverpool should be criticised for their business. I think it is very good business and what they needed to do. What I am saying is Klopp was clear that it is against his beliefs and philosophy and that he would quit football if it was needed. It is needed, yet he doesn't quit. He has joined in, yet he doesn't quit.

I'm not even expecting him to quit. I just think he should be called on the utter BS he spouted, which was only spouted because he knew it would play well to the crowd. He is a liar and/or a hypocrite. It is that simple.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-07-2018 01:09PM

Klopp would never lie, ever.

Giggsy11 · 18-07-2018 01:11PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Dalot and Fred havent even played a non-competitive game for the club and you are blaming Jose already :pac:

I didn't.

Giggsy11 · 18-07-2018 01:13PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Not signed this summer.
Not signed this summer. Not Signed this summer.
Signed this summer - completely unproven and no idea if that will solve the right back issue, Lindelof hasn't solved CB so we are confident our latest (even younger) recruit from Portugal is going to be our star.
Not signed this summer.
Not signed this summer.
SIgned this summer - have to assume/hope he solves one of the issues.
Not signed this summer - caused more problems than he has solved.

Going into this summer, the issues basically everyone was in agreement on:

Need to improve CB significantly - NOTHING done. Massive worry.
Need to improve at LB significantly - NOTHING done. Massive worry.
Need to improve at RB - Dalot signed, but seemingly as a longer term prospect. Still going to be Valencia first choice. Massive worry.
Need to improve at CM - Fred signed. Hoping he will prove to be the signing we needed there.
Need a righted sided player to balance our attack. NOTHING done. a big worry.

But sure, the two CBs that have been injured or unused most of last season, be great. The left back Jose has publicly slammed after pretty much every fleeting performance, he'll be great too.

Jose is going to a much more robust defence and functioning attack out of the same group of players he has failed to get those things out of in 24 months.

We are going to go from being 19 points off the title and knocked out of europe by Seville in two humiliating games by adding one central midfielder and a back up right back.

Oh didn't get the memo that we have to sign 11 every summer.

After signing 8 players out of 10, if we still have so many gaps (as per fans) then we are trusting a wrong man.

We have good squad, only issue is right wing but Jose did nothing to address that. He trusts Valencia and Young, so he doesn't even think it's very important to upgrade fullbacks, for him signing CB is more of a priority and we signed 2 in 2 years already.

Cantona's Collars · 18-07-2018 01:13PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Klopp would never lie, ever.

I blame the shiny teeth.

It's all about the net spend anyway.

bangkok · 18-07-2018 01:16PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Sentence 1 - I agree. It is Klopp who said he would quit before doing so and that his philosophy dictated a difference way of building a team.

Sentence 2 - I agree. This would be more in line with what Klopp said though.

Sentence 3 - I agree. Again, it is Klopp you are arguing against.

I'm not saying Liverpool should be criticised for their business. I think it is very good business and what they needed to do. What I am saying is Klopp was clear that it is against his beliefs and philosophy and that he would quit football if it was needed. It is needed, yet he doesn't quit. He has joined in, yet he doesn't quit.

I'm not even expecting him to quit. I just think he should be called on the utter BS he spouted, which was only spouted because he knew it would play well to the crowd. He is a liar and/or a hypocrite. It is that simple.

Like id say every single human being on earth. Say things they dont mean

jayo26 · 18-07-2018 01:16PM

Chelsea come in with a 70 million pound bid and then the sh1t will hit the fan haha.

bangkok · 18-07-2018 01:18PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Chelsea come in with a 70 million pound bid and then the sh1t will hit the fan haha.

Then liverpool sign kasper schmeichel for 30 and spend 40m on another player as well

Mitch Connor · 18-07-2018 01:20PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Oh didn't get the memo that we have to sign 11 every summer.

After signing 8 players out of 10, if we still have so many gaps (as per fans) then we are trusting a wrong man.

We have good squad, only issue is right wing but Jose did nothing to address that. He trusts Valencia and Young, so he doesn't even think it's very important to upgrade fullbacks, for him signing CB is more of a priority and we signed 2 in 2 years already.

When you spend most of last seaosn with a first choice defence of Young - Smalling - Jones - Valencia then yeah, your recruitment has somewhat failed. All four of those players need to be replaced.

We need a new left back - none signed.
We need a better CB pairing. Maybe Lindelof and Bailey will come good - can't trust it. We should, imo, be signing 1 experienced leader - let Lindelof/Baily and (imo) Jones battle for first choice partner, other two are the backups.
We need a new right back - Dalot might be that, you'd think the hope is he will be awesome there, in time. Maybe he hits the ground running but right now it looks like Valencia is first choice.

I've not said we need to sign 11 players every summer. I'm saying we should be addressing weaknesses every summer. 1 backup (for the moment) right back and a central midfielder doesn't come close enough to that.

Jose trusting Young and Valencia is part of the problem, not the solution. Saying he trusts them doesn't magically make our full back positions fine. It means they are going to continue to be the same issue they were last season.

Will I Am Not · 18-07-2018 01:23PM

Of course Klopp is being hypocritical. Arguing against it only makes one look silly. It’s the same when Mourinho accuses teams of lacking ambition and not wanting to play against his teams when he’s more than happy to do it in certain games. Managers are always at it.

bucketybuck · 18-07-2018 01:26PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

The fees are gone crazy. I doubt Jose, Klopp or any manger was expecting them to jump so much. I'd say they all thought the Pogba fee would be a record for a long time and that the market would normalise itself.

Actually..

Paul Pogba's world-record transfer fee will soon look like a bargain, says Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho.

"I am pretty sure that next summer some players with only half his quality probably will cost the same money or more, so I am waiting for that moment to release him from the scrutiny.

Klopp was full of crap at the time, everybody knew it and his actions since have shown him to be a total hypocrite.

yabadabado · 18-07-2018 01:36PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Chelsea come in with a 70 million pound bid and then the sh1t will hit the fan haha.

Then he is useless and was overpriced

pjohnson · 18-07-2018 01:36PM

Maybe Klopp was concussed when he said it.

brinty · 18-07-2018 01:39PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Maybe Klopp was concussed when he said it.

maybe he's still concussed or has never been shown the video of what he said..

Liam McPoyle · 18-07-2018 01:45PM

Who fcuking cares what Liverpool spend?

They are addressing what needs to be addressed.

Klopp is of course an absolute hypocrite.

He is chock full of sound bites that LFC fans have lapped up and that can be used when it suits to cluck about "doing things the right way" and other such drivel.

Same as Jose is a hypocrite.

Same as Conte, Wenger, Pep and every feckin one of them.

Can we leave the discussion at that or move it to the transfer thread.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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