Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

Wibbs wrote: »

Shoot me down in flames for being cynical, but this whole Henry Cavill thing smells to me like some agency PR to keep his name in the public mind(and to bat away the Gay rumours) and it went a little awry. Only a little as here we are talking about him.

Giving him and his agent etc way too much credit! He's a bit of a habit for making foolish, sometimes borderline braindead comments.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Universal support, no... but support from those who sympathise with her, yes... which could easily be in the high numbers. And that's with her telling what happened exactly as it did. What if she's had a few drinks and doesn't remember what happened clearly?

If a woman claims online that a random man came up, asked for her number, and then Politely withdrew after being rebuffed, it doesn’t seem likely that she’s misremembering due to alcohol. What do you think the alcohol would have caused her to misremember? The man didn’t exist? He never asked for her number? The withdrawal was nasty rather than polite? He didn’t actually withdraw but persisted?

As for “high” numbers that’s subjective. I could post homophobic stuff on twitter and get support from people who sympathise with my views. Some might even characterise this as a “high” number. I’m sure you’d be at pains to say that Ireland is not homophobic and the majority do not share the extreme view.

I’d say the same about metoo. I’ve seen zero examples of women complaining that a man asked for her number in a bar and withdrew politely upon being rebuffed. Maybe there’s a few out there but is an extreme minority.

I do wonder about this General consensus though.... how is that actually determined? Oh, you'll probably say it should be obvious... but isn't just the people with the loudest and most persistent voices? And it's also subject to change depending on the mood/attitude of the people involved... (since men aren't going to be involved in that decision, who tells the men when it's changed?)

You’re never going to get your rule book on which every woman agrees klaz. You’re going to have to accept that there are some grey areas in sexual politics/dating. Just like everyone else who engages in dating/flirting has to.

But even given the grey areas it is pretty obvious when there’s a general consensus. For example, grabbing someone’s tit in a nightclub. Bad. General consensus.

An example where there isn’t a general consensus would be your method of approaching women in public. Some women will find it creepy. Others don’t seem to mind. You’re going to have to deal with those risks yourself. As I’m sure you always have done.

So what happens if you approach a woman who thinks it’s creepy. At worst she will go on Twitter and say she was approached in the bookstore in a creepy manner. Some people will agree with her. Others will think “oh I wouldn’t mind an approach in a bookstore”. You won’t be named. You most likely won’t even be aware that there was a tweet.

HC seems to imply there’s grey areas around ignoring an initial no. And it’s not true. There’s a general consensus about ignoring an Initial no.

Here’s two examples from my personal experience. Feel free to discount them as subjective if you want to:

1. Guys sees girl. Asks her out. She says no. Happens to start moving in the same friend circles as girl. Gets to know her through friends. Gets on well with her. Flirts with her every time he sees her. She reciprocated flirting . Asks her out again. I’ve seen this happen numerous times. I’ve never heard a girl claiming to be harrassed from that situation. I’ve never seen a metoo post that complains about that situation.

2. (Which happened just a month ago). Guy approaches girl politely. Girl politely rebuffs. Wherever girl goes in pub with her friends, within a few minutes guy is there standing beside her. Not doing anything creepy enough to be called out on. Just drinking his pint looking around. No matter where girl goes guy ends up standing right beside her. Eventually guy leans in “I’m actually a nice guy you know”. At which point girl tells him to leave her alone. Guy gets angry telling girl about how rude she is and how he was just being friendly. This is the kind of thing I hear women complain about. This is the kind of thing that is posted in metoo.

Rennaws wrote: »

That's terrible and all but what do you expect us to do about it ?

Do you think that guy is going to change his behaviour because of the metoo movement ?

Yeah I think he might

Venom wrote: »

More chance of you not buying a ticket and still winning the lotto.


The example in question if true is obviously someone with zero social skills and possibly mental issues, so the idea of they ever grasping that their behaviour is way out of order is so unlikely as to be astronomical.

Well then there’s a huge number of people out there with mental issues because that’s not an even slightly uncommon experience among my friends.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

These guys here don't have a clue. You all don't know how common sleazy behaviour is, you don't know how much hassle women go through, nearly every woman has at least one disgusting or creepy story, for many it's a regular occurance.
Open your ears, women through the metoo campaign are informing you of their experiences, stop doubting them, stop questioning them, stop minimising the effect their experiences have, fight with them, not against them!

How much of the stuff do you get? What other orders will you have us follow mein Fuhrer

DONTMATTER wrote: »

These guys here don't have a clue. You all don't know how common sleazy behaviour is, you don't know how much hassle women go through, nearly every woman has at least one disgusting or creepy story, for many it's a regular occurance.
Open your ears, women through the metoo campaign are informing you of their experiences, stop doubting them, stop questioning them, stop minimising the effect their experiences have, fight with them, not against them!

I know how common you claim sleazy behavior is, which is a very different thing entirely from how common it actually is. I don't owe complete strangers anything, and certainly I don't owe them trust they haven't earned. I'm not fighting against those women that claim they have experienced sleazy behavior, but in order to fight with them, and in order to see justice done - evidence, rather than scaremongering would be a good start. Until then, I'm all ears, but without evidence there's nothing can be done.

How about you stop fighting against guys saying they don't have a clue, when you aren't willing to present any actual evidence to support your claims. I don't believe for a minute that you know for certain that every woman has at least one creepy or disgusting story, and those sorts of exaggerated claims don't help your argument. I don't believe anyone should be obligated to listen to that sort of nonsense.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

So you want to fight against women

"So what you're saying is.."

DONTMATTER wrote: »

We can take it that thousands upon thousands of women are not lying. Surely that has to be accepted?

What were they wearing at the time though?