Guinness Pro 14- Tv Viewing Options

PMC83 · 29-06-2018 10:07am #1

So looking over the pro 14 viewing options for this season in Ireland.

As far as I can see the only option in the republic is Eir Sports, (with one or two games thrown to TG4?) so to get a decent range you will need an Eir Tv subscription. Which kind of leaves those of us with Virgin TV a little stumped.

In the UK it seems to be available through Premiere Sports which is a streaming service as far as I can tell? Though not sure if this is available outside the uk?

Finally for though of us who had Meteor mobile (now eir mobile) it is possible to download the Eir Sport Red app and watch the games there, only issue with this it can not be chrome cast, so will be phone only. Though perhaps can mirror to TV with a third party cable/app.

Anything I'm missing?

Former Former · 29-06-2018 10:19am

If you have a satellite dish, some of the UK coverage will be on FreeSports.

Since you're a Virgin customer, I'm guessing that doesn't apply.

awec · 29-06-2018 10:37am

If you're a Virgin customer you'll just have to make do with whatever is on TG4 unfortunately.

arsebiscuits1 · 29-06-2018 11:21am

I am on Virgin.

I pay 70 p/m for basic tv and pretty decent broadband.

Have decided to move to Eir and will be doing so in the next few weeks.

Their offer currently is around 50p/m for the first 12 of 18 month contract and then 90p/m thereafter.

I know a few people with Eir broadband in my area and they say it is very good. We're not heavy users in my house.

Tbh it's a pretty good deal in my eyes. I could never justify paying too much for Sky/ BT because I wouldn't get much use as I only really watch rugby and they never really showed enough as they shared the games and Sky had barely any pro14 anyway

But now that they're all on the same platform, I have no problem paying 20 a month extra as I'd happily watch 2-3 rugby games a week. And all the Heineken Cup is on BT now.

icdg · 29-06-2018 11:24am

There will be one Heineken Cup game each week on both TV3 (or Virgin Media One as it will be) and Channel 4 next season, so not all bad news.

PMC83 · 29-06-2018 11:41am

Ordered Eir but the engineer couldn't fine my phone line and wanted me to tear up the skirting all over my hall looking for it, which I don't fancy doing!

However, this morning I did test out an app called Mirror Samsung (only 5 quid) and was impressed with it. Mirrored my Eir sports app to the tv, no problems. Although the app boasts HD, looked closer to standard def on my tv and obviously there's no pause/record and so on. But for those on eir mobile, not the worst..

connemara man · 29-06-2018 11:53am

My parents phone contract was up so I took the bill into my name for them so I could get Eir sports.

Eir do all the line repairs in the area and if our phone line goes it's better if they come and repair thing as we are nearer the top of the list as opposed to being with a different company and only get seen when their own customers are done

PTH2009 · 29-06-2018 1:09pm

Surly Sky will have create a package with BT/Eir sports

TBH cant afford it as i already have Sky sports package and that costs enough

The illegal ways are too much hassle and will be impossible to watch as so many will be trying to connect

might just go to the pub for the big games

MJohnston · 29-06-2018 1:41pm

I saw yesterday that Virgin are rebranding their TV3 channels, and introducing a Virgin Media Sports channel exclusive to VM customers.

Question is, could they move the Champions Cup games that they have the rights to onto that channel? Presumably even the Six Nations could be moved onto that.

Could be a good bargaining chip to get Eir to open up negotiations for carriage on VM.

icdg · 29-06-2018 1:48pm

I don’t think so. They were specifically sold that package on a promise of FTA coverage. That was the whole point of it. The EPCR already have sold pay TV rights for those games to BT Sport.

If Virgin Media now move it to a pay TV channel then they are at best acting in bad faith, at worst, and depending on details that us in the general public are not privy to, they may be in breach of their contract with EPCR.

It’s in the very headline of the announcement: “free to air”:
https://www.epcrugby.com/2018/03/16/live-champions-cup-rugby-returns-to-free-to-air-television-in-ireland/

The proposed Virgin Media Sport channel will not be free to air, it will be a pay TV channel requiring a Virgin TV subscription.

kub · 29-06-2018 1:50pm

Just with regard to Sky, is it possible to upgrade and get Eir channels? I know BT had some Champions Cup games last season so an upgrade got those, will that same BT channel also have the Pro 14 and Champions Cup games?

PhlegmyMoses · 29-06-2018 1:52pm

connemara man wrote: »

My parents phone contract was up so I took the bill into my name for them so I could get Eir sports.

Eir do all the line repairs in the area and if our phone line goes it's better if they come and repair thing as we are nearer the top of the list as opposed to being with a different company and only get seen when their own customers are done

FYI, I'm pretty sure that it's illegal for Eir to prioritise direct Eir customers in those circumstances.

awec · 29-06-2018 1:54pm

kub wrote: »

Just with regard to Sky, is it possible to upgrade and get Eir channels? I know BT had some Champions Cup games last season so an upgrade got those, will that same BT channel also have the Pro 14 and Champions Cup games?

Yea you can get Eir Sports as a Sky customer. I think it's €27.50 a month

icdg · 29-06-2018 1:54pm

It is one pack in Ireland - the eir Sport pack gets you eir Sport 1, eir Sport 2 (Premier Sports), BT Sport 1,2,3, ESPN and Box Nation. The Pro14 games will be on eir Sport 1&2 while BT will have the Heineken Champions Cup.

Technically it’s not actually part of a Sky subscription. You can get it for free with eir broadband, or if you have a Sky subscription (or even Sky equipment and a viewing card) you can subscribe as a standalone subscriber - it’s about (Edit;€27.50 as awec says is correct) per month. You need to call eir not Sky with your viewing card number to do so.

MJohnston · 29-06-2018 1:55pm

icdg wrote: »

I don’t think so. They were specifically sold that package on a promise of FTA coverage. That was the whole point of it. The EPCR already have sold pay TV rights for those games to BT Sport.

If Virgin Media now move it to a pay TV channel then they are at best acting in bad faith, at worst, and depending on details that us in the general public are not privy to, they may be in breach of their contract with EPCR.

It’s in the very headline of the announcement: “free to air”:
https://www.epcrugby.com/2018/03/16/live-champions-cup-rugby-returns-to-free-to-air-television-in-ireland/

The proposed Virgin Media Sport channel will not be free to air, it will be a pay TV channel requiring a Virgin TV subscription.

In fairness, that EPCR link is just touting the Free To Air thing, it doesn't make clear at all whether or not that is a stipulation of the actual rights, it just calls them "additional broadcast rights". Some previous stories from 2017 do seem to indicate they were looking for FTA broadcasters specifically though.

icdg · 29-06-2018 2:03pm

To me even if there were no actual stipulation they be shown FTA (and I’m guessing there likely is) it would be really bad form on any broadcaster to allow the rights seller to jump up and down about having secured FTA coverage (of a tournament that’s been off FTA for what, twelve years?) only to then embarrass them by saying, “Actually we’re gonna put these on a pay service.”

connemara man · 29-06-2018 2:06pm

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

FYI, I'm pretty sure that it's illegal for Eir to prioritise direct Eir customers in those circumstances.

The engineer said they can't prioritise officially but they don't go out of their way to get it done.

Squidgy Black · 29-06-2018 6:28pm

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

FYI, I'm pretty sure that it's illegal for Eir to prioritise direct Eir customers in those circumstances.

Generally the way it works is other providers have to contact BT and then BT request an Eir/KN engineer to go out. With Eir the request just goes straight to the engineer.

Not so much that they're prioritising, just skipping the middle men.

Hurrache · 29-06-2018 6:39pm

icdg wrote: »

It is one pack in Ireland - the eir Sport pack gets you eir Sport 1, eir Sport 2 (Premier Sports), BT Sport 1,2,3, ESPN and Box Nation. The Pro14 games will be on eir Sport 1&2 while BT will have the Heineken Champions Cup.

If you could get a subscription in which you weren't locked on for a year that might be palatable if you get all the Pro14 and Heineken Cup games.

Former Former · 29-06-2018 6:43pm

Hurrache wrote: »

If you could get a subscription in which you weren't locked on for a year that might be palatable if you get all the Pro14 and Heineken Cup games.

A subscription to Eir Sport is month by month, you are not locked in for a year.

icdg · 29-06-2018 6:45pm

Hurrache wrote: »

If you could get a subscription in which you weren't locked on for a year that might be palatable if you get all the Pro14 and Heineken Cup games.

You can. You aren’t locked in.

http://www.eirsport.ie/eir-broadband-satellite-tv-faqs

(Scroll down to “is there a twelve month contract”)

PTH2009 · 14-07-2018 11:15pm

So what channels will Pro 14 and champions cup games air on for the 2018/19 season ???

For international games I knw it's

RTE- Nov Internationals
Virgin TV (Tv3)- 6N
Sky- Summer/Lions tours

Digifriendly · 15-07-2018 1:24pm

What about those of us who live in the north of the island? We need separate subscriptions for BT Sport and Premier to see best of club rugby live although Channel 4 have some CC live and TG4 will have some Pro 14 as well as Freesports - both are available on Freeview via an aerial.

ScrubsfanChris · 15-07-2018 1:28pm

PMC83 wrote: »

However, this morning I did test out an app called Mirror Samsung (only 5 quid) and was impressed with it. Mirrored my Eir sports app to the tv, no problems. Although the app boasts HD, looked closer to standard def on my tv and obviously there's no pause/record and so on. But for those on eir mobile, not the worst..

Using a Chromecast + Eirsport App is much better quality. Constant 720p with no drop in quality.

You wont get 1080p as its not broadcast a that high a bit rate to begin with.

ScrubsfanChris · 15-07-2018 1:36pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

So what channels will Pro 14 and champions cup games air on for the 2018/19 season ???

For international games I knw it's

RTE- Nov Internationals
Virgin TV (Tv3)- 6N
Sky- Summer/Lions tours

Six Nations will also be on ITV

Champions Cup and Challenge Cup will be more or less exclusive to BT Sport with TV3(Virgin) get one game per round - You wont assume this would involve and Irish team.
Channel 4 will also be showing one game per round.

EirSport(Premier) will show all Pro14 games live.
TG4 one match per round
Freesports(FTA) one match per round

BBC will no longer show any games and S4C is unconfirmed.

bilston · 15-07-2018 2:09pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Six Nations will also be on ITV

Champions Cup and Challenge Cup will be more or less exclusive to BT Sport with TV3(Virgin) get one game per round - You wont assume this would involve and Irish team.
Channel 4 will also be showing one game per round.

EirSport(Premier) will show all Pro14 games live.
TG4 one match per round
Freesports(FTA) one match per round

BBC will no longer show any games and S4C is unconfirmed.

BBC still has half the 6Ns (unless it's changed)

MJohnston · 15-07-2018 2:14pm

To put this in context from the POV of viewers, here's what's available to you (directly through the TV package, this is):

Sky TV customers:

Autumn Internationals ✓
Six Nations ✓
Summer Tours ✓
Pro14 ✓
Champions Cup ✓
Challenge Cup ✓
Rugby World Cup 2019 ✓

Eir TV customers:

Autumn Internationals ✓
Six Nations ✓
Summer Tours ✓
Pro14 ✓
Champions Cup ✓
Challenge Cup ✓
Rugby World Cup 2019 ✓

Virgin Media TV customers:

Autumn Internationals ✓
Six Nations ✓
Summer Tours ✓
Pro14 ✗
Champions Cup ✗ (apart from a handful of FTA games)
Challenge Cup ✗
Rugby World Cup 2019 ✗

icdg · 15-07-2018 2:48pm

Virgin TV customers will get one Pro14 game a week during the regular season on TG4. They’ll have access to two Heineken Cup games each week, one on VMTV and one on Channel 4 (albeit the C4 one may not necessarily involve an Irish team). The final and potentially both semis may be FTA.

There will, as normal, be a package including the opening game, all of Ireland’s pool games and one game in each of the quarter finals, semi finals, and final of the 2019 RWC sold to a FTA broadcaster.

MJohnston · 15-07-2018 2:54pm

The FTA games sound great and all, and may be great if you're just hungering for any sport to watch, but when you're wanting to watch a specific team, they will be fairly useless, I would imagine.

icdg · 15-07-2018 3:04pm

We’ve been kind of spoilt for TV coverage of the Pro14, with (nearly) every game on FTA TV until now. Under the new deal all Pro14 fixtures will be on (pay) TV. Only half of Premiership Rugby fixtures will be on TV. Of course it reflects the multinational nature of the league and that the different jurisdictions will have different interests in different teams.

ScrubsfanChris · 15-07-2018 3:52pm

bilston wrote: »

BBC still has half the 6Ns (unless it's changed)

Yeah my mistake. I thought PTH2009 had already mentioned BBC.

ScrubsfanChris · 15-07-2018 3:58pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Virgin Media TV customers:
Autumn Internationals ✓

Six Nations ✓

Summer Tours ✓

Pro14 ✗

Champions Cup ✗ (apart from a handful of FTA games)

Challenge Cup ✗

Rugby World Cup 2019 ✗

The World Cup games involving Ireland have to be Free to Air (RTE or TV3) so thats atleast something.
Anyway you see it Virgin is a pretty bad choice for rugby fans.

kooga · 17-07-2018 11:29am

just to clarify

RTE have the rights in the ROI for the autumn internationals the uk rights including NI are on Sky so even if you have Uk freeview in NI it will be geo blocked.

However given that we play Italy in the USA this autumn it might not be on RTE - when we played the All Blacks in the US it was on eir sport

This June for the first time Channel 4 had the Wales summer tour to Argentina

All in all rugby rights are highly fragmented

Homesick Alien · 17-07-2018 11:42am

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Using a Chromecast + Eirsport App is much better quality. Constant 720p with no drop in quality.

You wont get 1080p as its not broadcast a that high a bit rate to begin with.

Good to know. I'm planning to upgrade my eir mobile subscription to get the free eir sports app and an earlier poster here said you couldn't cast with it which had me worried.

ScrubsfanChris · 17-07-2018 12:26pm

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Good to know. I'm planning to upgrade my eir mobile subscription to get the free eir sports app and an earlier poster here said you couldn't cast with it which had me worried.

That was true when the app was very first launched, but if you go to the EirSport website they promote heavily that its compatible with Chromecast.

*This is with Eir home broadband, not Eir Mobile

Former Former · 17-07-2018 12:30pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

*This is with Eir home broadband, not Eir Mobile

This is crucial. You can Chromecast Eir Sports as a broadband/home phone subscriber, but not if you are a Mobile Subscriber.

In fairness, any time I've used Chromecast streaming, the quality has been very good. Not quite HD but still decent.

Homesick Alien · 17-07-2018 12:38pm

Former Former wrote: »

This is crucial. You can Chromecast Eir Sports as a broadband/home phone subscriber, but not if you are a Mobile Subscriber.

In fairness, any time I've used Chromecast streaming, the quality has been very good. Not quite HD but still decent.

Ah dang it! That's scuppered my plans. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm a Virgin customer so i would have to move broadband to eir then (which is presumably their plan).

Question is can I be bothered

17-07-2018 12:46pm

Former Former wrote: »

This is crucial. You can Chromecast Eir Sports as a broadband/home phone subscriber, but not if you are a Mobile Subscriber.

In fairness, any time I've used Chromecast streaming, the quality has been very good. Not quite HD but still decent.

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Ah dang it! That's scuppered my plans. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm a Virgin customer so i would have to move broadband to eir then (which is presumably their plan).

Question is can I be bothered

Chromecast has a 'display screen' mode on your mobile similar to the 'display desktop' mode on PC. Can you use this to get around it, mirror the screen and then just have the app open?

I don't care eitherway, have given up on TV at this stage and exclusively watch all content from my PC or phone, whether that be legal subscriptions or illegal streams.

connemara man · 17-07-2018 12:47pm

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Ah dang it! That's scuppered my plans. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm a Virgin customer so i would have to move broadband to eir then (which is presumably their plan).

Question is can I be bothered

You can if you're a Mobile bill pay customer that gets the phone aswell not on a sim only deal

PMC83 · 17-07-2018 1:29pm

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Ah dang it! That's scuppered my plans. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm a Virgin customer so i would have to move broadband to eir then (which is presumably their plan).

Question is can I be bothered

I bought an app called MirrorSamsung, works perfectly. Not quiet full HD but watched a good 30 minutes of sport there, from the phone to Tv, no issues. Cost about 5 quid

ScrubsfanChris · 17-07-2018 1:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Chromecast has a 'display screen' mode on your mobile similar to the 'display desktop' mode on PC. Can you use this to get around it, mirror the screen and then just have the app open?

I use the ""Cast screen" option for Sky Sport Mobile TV all the time, works a treat and much cheaper than the tv package.

Only downside is you can't really use your phone for anything else while watching the match.

arsebiscuits1 · 17-07-2018 2:16pm

For anyone who uses iPhone/ iPad. You can get a lightning to HDMI adapter for cheap enough. Projects the phone image great. Unsure about the likes of Skygo blocking etc. But it showed Netflix in perfect HD

thomond2006 · 17-07-2018 2:27pm

The pricing is sneaky as feck.

Main page:
Broadband and landline 35 per month for first six months
After six months 40

They then mention at the end that the price rises to 76 after 12 months. :rolleyes:

arsebiscuits1 · 17-07-2018 3:09pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The pricing is sneaky as feck.

Main page:
Broadband and landline 35 per month for first six months
After six months 40

They then mention at the end that the price rises to 76 after 12 months. :rolleyes:

What plan are you looking at?

I am looking at their Broadband, Landline and TV and it's €45 p/m for 6. €50 p/m for another 6 and then €91 p/m for another 6 to see out the 18 month contract.

Not too bad given I get the same minus sports channels for €75 with Virgin. So essentially I am paying less than €20 per month to get all the rugby. And that's after saying €25+ a month for a year.

Virgin have slightly more music channels and sky living. But other than that it's the exact same. And I don't watch them

thomond2006 · 17-07-2018 3:15pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

What plan are you looking at?

I am looking at their Broadband, Landline and TV and it's €45 p/m for 6. €50 p/m for another 6 and then €91 p/m for another 6 to see out the 18 month contract.

Not too bad given I get the same minus sports channels for €75 with Virgin. So essentially I am paying less than €20 per month to get all the rugby. And that's after saying €25+ a month for a year.

Virgin have slightly more music channels and sky living. But other than that it's the exact same. And I don't watch them

Broadband and landline.

I don't want TV. I won't use it.

Tigerandahalf · 17-07-2018 3:23pm

I am paying €53 p/m for broadband only with eir. The streaming of the channels is perfect though I am close to a green cabinet. I have mentioned it before but the great benefit of the app and chromecast is that you can use it on holidays too - no need to find a pub abroad.

My only worry now is going over eir's 1TB for downloading content.

bilston · 17-07-2018 3:49pm

Sports Rights are getting increasingly complicated. In the last few weeks some crowd called Eleven Sports have picked up the UK rights to La Liga and Serie A. Not sure of that extends to Irish rights.

Basically if you had the time and inclination to watch all these leagues and sports etc you'd need to subscribe to at least 5 different broadcasters now in Sky, BT, Premier Sports/Eir Sports, Eleven Sports and Amazon Prime.

nc6000 · 17-07-2018 3:59pm

I have my TV through Sky and until I cancelled Sky Sports last month I was paying €37 extra for it. My broadband was with Vodafone for €50 a month.

I've just moved to Eir Complete Broadband & Phone on a 12 month contract for €35 per month which includes the Eir\BT sport pack for free which will give me all the Pro14 and Heineken Cup games.

It's quite a saving. I'll miss out on whatever rugby Sky still have like Top14 and summer tours etc but I had noticed the Top14 games were often on the free Sky Sports Mix channel so hopefully this continues next year.

Tigerandahalf · 17-07-2018 4:15pm

nc6000 wrote: »

I have my TV through Sky and until I cancelled Sky Sports last month I was paying €37 extra for it. My broadband was with Vodafone for €50 a month.

I've just moved to Eir Complete Broadband & Phone on a 12 month contract for €35 per month which includes the Eir\BT sport pack for free which will give me all the Pro14 and Heineken Cup games.

It's quite a saving. I'll miss out on whatever rugby Sky still have like Top14 and summer tours etc but I had noticed the Top14 games were often on the free Sky Sports Mix channel so hopefully this continues next year.

I used Now TV for the summer internationals. I got a €20 p/m deal.

arsebiscuits1 · 17-07-2018 4:34pm

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I used Now TV for the summer internationals. I got a €20 p/m deal.

That's my plan. Given how little rugby is on Sky now I don't mind paying a tenner for a day pass if it is infrequent. Sure it's less than 2 pints in the pub which is what I'd get minimum if I'm watching the match there

awec · 17-07-2018 4:51pm

bilston wrote: »

Sports Rights are getting increasingly complicated. In the last few weeks some crowd called Eleven Sports have picked up the UK rights to La Liga and Serie A. Not sure of that extends to Irish rights.

Basically if you had the time and inclination to watch all these leagues and sports etc you'd need to subscribe to at least 5 different broadcasters now in Sky, BT, Premier Sports/Eir Sports, Eleven Sports and Amazon Prime.

It's a pain in the bollocks really. Wish Sky would just get everything back.

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