"Recreational" Drugs

dendenz · 25-08-2003 07:23PM

I meant to say they dont get my point and I dnt get theirs , I am dyslexic, apologies about that, just to clarify that point

jammy_dodger · 25-08-2003 07:24PM

the above article is a bit out of date, 8 yrs old and all about south african raves. Which i really don't think is releant to boards users. Its your run-a-the-mill scare tactic article.

We always hear the story of the innocent child who took X,Y,Z and died.
But what about the story of the Guy who took X,Y,Z and it opened his mind, broaden his horizons, and taught him to embrace and focus on whats good in this world.

Everyone should be allowed to try out whatever they want, I don't know of anyone who was forced into taking drugs, or anyone who pursuades people to take drugs. Its all down to the user to decide, They're not harming anyone else.
As long as your educated on what drugs you are taking,You can come up with your own conclusion of wether you think its woth it.

dendenz · 25-08-2003 07:46PM

I am not sympathy seeking , in fact anything but. Look I have different opinions to you lot. If I wanted sympathy then I would have posted a message saying I was going to kill myself or something to that extent., That is sympathy seeking. I dont communicate well unless I talk face to face, I am digging a deep hole for myself here. We just have to agree that we allhave different opinions. Fair enough. i will accept maybe that I am misinformed to a certain extent however the very fact that people are joking about the fact Lea Bets died and the fact that they clearly ignore something because it was reported in the media is just clearly defines how ignorant some of you are.

TacT · 25-08-2003 08:26PM

The only ignorance surrounding her death and this discussion is her own because she was not aware of the facts and because of stupid scare tactics employed by the government and other silly articles such as the link you provided us with on geocities (of all places..)

She was scared into thinking if she didn't drink enough water she could dehydrate and didn't have any facts on hand apart from the trash she was fed while growing up as opposed to the real facts, which in the case you mentioned is :

It is recommended to drink between 1 glass and 1 pint of water every hour (depending how much you are exerting yourself physically) while on E's, depending on your body mass. (I got this from a very informative U.K clubbers guide at the age of 15) Going over this reccomendation or drinking too much water may have the effect that it had on her.
Personally, I'm more angered by the scare tactics employed that made her end up the way she did due to misinformation.

Yes you have indeed dug a mighty fine hole for yourself

dendenz · 25-08-2003 08:30PM

You got your informatio froma clubbing guide and then slate the media, lol the irony !!!!

dendenz · 25-08-2003 08:32PM

I mean by that post is that you are quick to slate informative sources yet read a clubbing guide for supposedly reliable information? The very sources you critisize is by the experts and people themselves , the scientists !

Ryo Hazuki · 25-08-2003 08:33PM

Sweet Lady H?

TacT · 25-08-2003 08:53PM

yeah, if I'm researching something I like to get both sides or all sides of the story, not one.

I have great respect for Scientists and their opinions but unfortunately they don't have all the answers either.

You obviously missed the point in my post.

Strange it is how a scientist's opinion didn't get to that unfortunate girl in time whereas a clubber's magazine gave me what I needed as a teenager who was going to experiment anyway.
The only thing I was interested in was what precautions I could take to ensure I had a good time and was in RELATIVE safety. The End! (that was the point in the post which you skipped over and hot fudged onto some more inane waffle, looking to slate me..)

I never directly slated the media either, your imagining things now.

lordsippa · 26-08-2003 12:55AM

Ok... first off, as regards rat poison in E, a small amount does little harm and gives an extra buzz. The reason very few dealers do this is cause it costs way more to cut it with rat poison than whatever **** they'd usually cut it with.

E's can directly kill with one pill if you've a heart condition, and can indirectly kill due to over hydration or dehydration which is where whoever's on them comes into things.

Now, I know you'll argue that someone on drugs is in no condition to think rationally <and depending on the person and how they're affected by the drugs this can be VERY true>, but here's the thing: anyone taking e's by themself is an idiot. It's like any drug, like drinking for example, someone who drinks by themself and ends up falling down the stairs and breaking their leg deserved it. Any drug worth doing is social to a degree, and any drugs that effect your senses should only be done around other people who may be able to keep an eye on you.

It's why parties are so much fun and so rarely do people die at them.

And dendenz, relax. Smoking some pot won't kill you, and the odd pill or tab (if you do show some caution) isn't a death sentence either. It's just a matter of taking care. All drugs can be dangerous, but there are safe ways to do them. Just like crossing the road.

Lukin Black · 26-08-2003 01:21AM

I watched a great programme on BBC Three (one of the late nighters through BBC 1) a few months ago, about ecstacy. They were very impartial, and the main danger associated with it was the danger of dehydration or drinking too much. They too said that drinking a pint of water an hour while dancing was advisable.

Originally posted by dendenz
I mean by that post is that you are quick to slate informative sources

What are your informative sources? IMHO, the amount of scaremongering has increased deaths, by replacing valid information with attempts at stamping out usage, which just isn't going to happen.

^whitey^ · 26-08-2003 02:00AM

I have never taken any sort of drugs and I don't think I will for a number of reasons

1) You never really know what tour getting (the whole rat poison thing e.t.c)

2) You never know what your funding ... gangs,dealers who sell hard drugs to kids e.t.c

3) I may become addicted .... as for hash not being addictive i'm not convinced.

4) I'm more likely to try hard drugs if I try hash then if I stayed away from them.

I could ramble on for ages on the above reasons.

ALOT of my friends do hash and i've seen the stupid things some of them have done when they're high.

I've also seen what damage drugs even hash can do to families.

Never say hash is harmless.

po0k · 26-08-2003 02:24AM

/me looks up from cutting his Dip-Dab sherbert on the mirror

Turn over to Jackass there ffs, never mind this crime detectives bul on Discovery

/me returns to getting his sugar high

fookin buzzin boss *untz*

I'm more inclined to gardening then chemistry tbh.

po0k · 26-08-2003 02:39AM

Originally posted by lordsippa
And dendenz, relax. Smoking some pot won't kill you, and the odd pill or tab (if you do show some caution) isn't a death sentence either. It's just a matter of taking care. All drugs can be dangerous, but there are safe ways to do them. Just like crossing the road.

And in other news lordsippa was ironically killed whilst crosing the road this morning when a 40-car freight train suddenly appeared from around the corner crushing his body to a mushy paste into the tarmac.

Salt kills. Ban salt & vinegar (just to be safe). Blame Canada.

GRAHAM2002 · 26-08-2003 10:50AM

I have been Djing at raves for over 10 years so I could never be a hypocrit and claim to be devoid of contact with many drugs

Live and left live

What ever floats ur boat

MoosemaN · 26-08-2003 11:41AM

Phew finally got through all 4 pages of posts

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In regards to the quality of E just buy EZ-test and test it before using it simple..

In holland where I lived before the goverement provided small "labs" outside discos so the clubers could drop E and be fairly safe, better that then they die of bad E's

The approx leathal dosage of MDMA(E) is 600mg most pills nowadays contain between 9-50mg..

In regards to Hashish and Marijuana and the dangers.. Are we talking about Users or people that use it all day every day... Something people have to see the difference in..

I know in some recent Goverment funded research for ex. Canada and WHO(world health organistation) they have come to the conclusion that Cannabis is less dangerous than Alcohol, tobacco and coffee..

Don't get me wrong to much of anything is not good for you, espacially the Irish ****ty Soap Hashish.. this should be illegal to sell

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I have done alot of research before taking any drug, I like to be well informed.

I understand some people that do not have the correct information about drugs, strange comparison some people could be missinformed about Hifi equipment because is just not there hobby.. But I can not take people flamiing people that use some form of "enhancer" and are completly missinformed about the specific drug.. Get your facts straight FFS..

hmm thats my 2 cents

MoosemaN · 26-08-2003 12:16PM

Thought I might as well post a link..

Summary of cannadas report
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/rep-e/summary-e.pdf

Dr. Loon · 26-08-2003 12:16PM

Originally posted by ^whitey^

3) I may become addicted .... as for hash not being addictive i'm not convinced.

4) I'm more likely to try hard drugs if I try hash then if I stayed away from them.
Never say hash is harmless.

I think there are actual facts in another realted thread on boards about this. If you don't know what you're talking about don't talk.

Sorry, but I couldn't be arséd doing a search for the thread. I have no need to convert you or prove to you these facts, but you should do if you wish to be a bit more informed. Then, and only then should you speak so definitely on this subject.

IMO hash is harmless. I have never heard of it breaking up families, killing anyone, or making anyone go insane or have a heart attack. It's a plant.

Both whitey and dendenz, you both have absolutely no knowledge of this subject, and should either become educated on it with reliable information or not speak at all.

By reliable information, I don't mean The Sun or a dodgy geocities site. Jaysus, ye both sound like me Da - who has no knowledge of and no willingness to learn more about drugs - and thinks all drug "pushers" should get the death sentence.

"Pusher" by the way dendenz and whitey do not exist. Just in case you were gonna go on some rant about a story in The Sun, or something you read on the internet somewhere. Sorry I know I said I wasn't going to argue, but your stupidity/ignorance on this amazes me!

SantaHoe · 26-08-2003 12:22PM

Originally posted by Turnip
I don't take illegal drugs and I don't like people who take them and talk about little else. Either get off your fat arses and campaign to get them legalised or stop funding scummy criminal gangs you stupid lazy smelly stupid hippy bastards. :mad: I wish you'd all feck off to amsterdam and stay there.

Raises a good point I think.
Personally I couldn't give a toss what some sweaty muppet raver wants to fuk himself up on every weekend, but it's just filling the pockets of scumbag dealers all the way up the chain... what if someone higher up that tree is also providing heroin... you happy enough to be paying for their new track suit?
IMO it's like people who buy stolen goods and think nothing of the fact that they're creating an increased demand and effectively encouraging theft.
Thats why if you offered me a brand new top-of-the-line mobile for 20 squid - I'd tell you to stick it up your arse.
Ripples in a pond...

MoosemaN · 26-08-2003 12:25PM

Dr. Loon my friends friend turned in to an orange after smoking one time and he's now in the hospital...

Saying that Hashish is harmless is not completly correct, it's not the best for your lungs..

But braking up families.. hmm There was no other drugs, crimes or family dissputes going on in that family?

Dr. Loon · 26-08-2003 12:58PM

Originally posted by MoosemaN
Dr. Loon my friends friend turned in to an orange after smoking one time and he's now in the hospital...

Saying that Hashish is harmless is not completly correct, it's not the best for your lungs..

He smoked a spliff and turned into an orange? Really? Or are you taking the píss? You sure he wasn't hitting acid as well?

True, not completely harmless. Much the same as smoking tobacco though. Anyway, you're supposed to be on my side

MoosemaN · 26-08-2003 01:10PM

Originally posted by Dr. Loon
He smoked a spliff and turned into an orange? Really? Or are you taking the píss? You sure he wasn't hitting acid as well?

True, not completely harmless. Much the same as smoking tobacco though. Anyway, you're supposed to be on my side

The orange thing was a "urban legend" that was beeing told in sweden, and a lot of people beleived in it *sigh*

Hehe true I am on your side, but saying that it's completly harmless is not true and it will make the person you're talking to not beleive the facts you try to present ..

nxbyveromdwjpg · 26-08-2003 02:34PM

bored so i suppose ill jump in on this for the craic...

1. "You can die from just 1 pill!!"

"Taking the worst figure of seven deaths in 1991 and assuming there were only 1 million users, the risk of dying from using Ecstasy would have been 7 in a million or 1 in 143,000 per year. If users take an average of 25 Es a year, then the risk of death on each occasion is 7 in 25 million or 1 in 3.6 million.

To put this into perspective, if you take five rides at a fun fair you run a risk of 1 in 3.2 million of being killed through an accident. Some sports are obviously dangerous, such as parachuting which kills 3 in 1000 participants per year. Even skiing in Switzerland is risky - 1 in 500,000 are killed. If you play soccer, every year you run a risk of 1 in 25,000 of being killed. But if you stay at home instead of going out you still aren't safe, since the risk of being killed through an accident at home is 1 in 26,000 a year".
- Nicholas Saunders, published 1993

2. "Leah Betts died from taking 1 pill"
Leah Betts died from Hyponatremia (or Water Intoxication). This couldve happened on alcohol or on nothing at all. It has nothing directly to do with the pill. Water will not counter-act ectasys effects, it was misinformation.

3. "The approx leathal dosage of MDMA(E) is 600mg most pills nowadays contain between 9-50mg.."

Actually its about 10 times that.
The LD50 of MDMA is 80mg/kg of bodyweight. (The LD50 is the dose at which half the experimental subjects died). So if you weigh 70kg, you would need to take 5600mg to be in serious danger. This is at least 50 or 60 good pills, making it a non-factor (for 99.9999999999999% of people anyway!)

(just for the record i dont personally take e's).

MoosemaN · 26-08-2003 02:35PM

Sorry MDA is approx 600mg

MDMA is 106 mg/kg there are no exact numbers here though in regards to mdma..

dendenz · 26-08-2003 09:43PM

I am beginning to think at this stage does anyone know f*cking anything about drugs, seems the pro drugs stance think they are educated ones, well lads, I dont think anyone is !

po0k · 27-08-2003 01:03AM

Cry Freedom Plymouth Rock!

^whitey^ · 27-08-2003 04:08AM

Before I start typing I am no expert on anysort of drugs.

Dr loon i dint get my info of some geocity site or the sun (i never read the tripe)

An aquaintance (who has done drugs in the past both hard and soft ) helps young adults both involved in drugs and alcoholics.

When I said never say hash is harmlesss i didnt mean directly from it !!! But where does the money you pay for the hash eventually go (unless a you or a buddy are growing it for your own use) ???

I never said i've seen hash break up families but i have seen it damage families. But i have seen hard drugs destroy families and lives.

Don't get me wrong about hash ... if it was made legal and sold under controls along with tobacco ... I'd then prefer to see someone high then drunk...for obvious reasons. But not at the moment when the money is feeding crime.

As for hash being addictive i didn't mean for every single person from what i see it has different efffects on different people. I can see from one of my friends that he just has to smoke hash when he's out drinking.

Dr Loon I don't want this to turn into a flaming war but I am not ignorant on the subject.

As for hard drugs I'm not a chemist I couldn't tell ya what amounts are safe to take e.t.c but I have seen various docu's on TV about hard drugs .... one being about a girl who died after taking one E.

Sorry bout the long post had to clear that up.

John R · 27-08-2003 04:09AM

Originally posted by SantaHoe
Raises a good point I think.
Personally I couldn't give a toss what some sweaty muppet raver wants to fuk himself up on every weekend, but it's just filling the pockets of scumbag dealers all the way up the chain... what if someone higher up that tree is also providing heroin... you happy enough to be paying for their new track suit?
IMO it's like people who buy stolen goods and think nothing of the fact that they're creating an increased demand and effectively encouraging theft.
Thats why if you offered me a brand new top-of-the-line mobile for 20 squid - I'd tell you to stick it up your arse.
Ripples in a pond...

I take it that this means that you are 100% in favour of legalisation of all drugs then.

MoosemaN · 27-08-2003 12:59PM

Originally posted by dendenz
I am beginning to think at this stage does anyone know f*cking anything about drugs, seems the pro drugs stance think they are educated ones, well lads, I dont think anyone is !

Another intelligent comment from our friend Dendenz.

Mercury_Tilt · 27-08-2003 01:43PM

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MoosemaN · 27-08-2003 02:35PM

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
You little drugies. You're a disgrace to yourselves and your families.

If the goverment had of taken up my anti drug proposals you would all be "clean" god fearing young folk!!!

May god have mercy on you all.

(hopefully you where sarcastic, if not here is my response)

That comment pushed you back 1000 years in life, come on. Why even bring believes in to this discussion?

Are you not going to crucify everyone that does not believe in god as well?

Was it not god that created Marijuana?..
Are there not references to people using cannabis oil in the bible?..

Not that I in anyway believe in god.

"Recreational" Drugs

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