Sean O'Rourke Today Show

bobbyss · 11-07-2018 05:45PM

Loafing Oaf wrote:

I'm sure hispster icon Justin Trudeau would be appalled at our backwardness...

A fair point but in Ireland this is pervasive. How many times and in how many different constituencies has this happened. I was actually thinking of England and how different their system is. Notable Englishman Enoch Powell represented an Ulster constituency. Many MPs represent constituencies they hardly know. Safe seats. This is unheard of in Ireland.

dxhound2005 · 11-07-2018 06:01PM

List of political families in the UK. Much worse than in Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_families_in_the_United_Kingdom

bobbyss · 11-07-2018 06:09PM

dxhound2005 wrote:

List of political families in the UK. Much worse than in Ireland.

This list is extensive I have to say. Not clear if sons etc succeeded parents to same constituency as is the norm pretty much here.

dxhound2005 · 11-07-2018 06:20PM

bobbyss wrote: »

This list is extensive I have to say. Not clear if sons etc succeeded parents to same constituency as is the norm pretty much here.

Is it the norm? How many cases do you know of?

bobbyss · 11-07-2018 06:33PM

dxhound2005 wrote:

Is it the norm? How many cases do you know of?

I don't know really. There quite a lot of sons and daughters inheriting the seat of their parents especially in rural areas. In the UK as per the list quite a lot inherit also. I am not too sure if they go through the same constituency or not.

dxhound2005 · 11-07-2018 06:59PM

There are only 40 constituencies in Ireland with our PR system. So the choice is limited.

There are 650 single seat constituencies in Westminster, so much more scope to farm out family to safe seats. For instance, Stephen Kinnock, son of Neil.

L1011 · 11-07-2018 07:40PM

bobbyss wrote: »

This list is extensive I have to say. Not clear if sons etc succeeded parents to same constituency as is the norm pretty much here.

Its usually worse in England - they can go to another constituency and get voted in because of the colour of their rosette and name; possibly while Mammy or Daddy is still an MP!

Direct parent-child replacements are so common nobody has bothered doing a list.

Decent number of husband/wife MPs also whereas it is extremely rare with TDs. 5 at the moment, also 3 where one partner has lost their seat.

Greece has been run by grandfather-father-son Prime Ministers; it happens everywhere.

bobbyss · 11-07-2018 07:52PM

L1011 wrote:

Its usually worse in England - they can go to another constituency and get voted in because of the colour of their rosette and name; possibly while Mammy or Daddy is still an MP!

Yes indeed. But that's very rare in Ireland. Sons/daughters usually succeed to the same constituency. Not only can British MPs sail along to other constituencies they even have managed to go BETWEEN countries. Powell as above. Gladstone himself tried for Kilkenny ( I think). Also, but I could be wrong but do MPs even live in the constituency they represent? Blair represented Newcastle or Leeds?

L1011 · 11-07-2018 08:39PM

bobbyss wrote: »

Yes indeed. But that's very rare in Ireland. Sons/daughters usually succeed to the same constituency. Not only can British MPs sail along to other constituencies they even have managed to go BETWEEN countries. Powell as above. Gladstone himself tried for Kilkenny ( I think). Also, but I could be wrong but do MPs even live in the constituency they represent? Blair represented Newcastle or Leeds?

Sons/daughters here get elected by people that know them, usually they've been councillors beforehand etc. UK system allows you to get elected on who your parent is hundreds of miles away.

Blair was from Durham and represented a constituency in County Durham, so actually extremely nearby. That's actually rare.

alaimacerc · 11-07-2018 10:33PM

L1011 wrote: »

Its usually worse in England - they can go to another constituency and get voted in because of the colour of their rosette and name; possibly while Mammy or Daddy is still an MP!

I suppose that depends if you consider voting on party lines "worse" than on "does a lot of good for the area" ones.

Direct parent-child replacements are so common nobody has bothered doing a list.

For the UK, we've literally just had someone post a list. Here's one for Ireland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Families_in_the_Oireachtas

Pretty lengthy, considering the state is a tenth of the size of the UK, their list goes back to the 16th century, and some of them are formally hereditary positions (i.e., sitting in the Lords).

Decent number of husband/wife MPs also whereas it is extremely rare with TDs.

It would be a stretch to call that "dynastic". As they're necessarily elected at the same time, in different places, kinda the opposite, really.

L1011 · 12-07-2018 06:37PM

alaimacerc wrote: »

I suppose that depends if you consider voting on party lines "worse" than on "does a lot of good for the area" ones.

When you get situations like the Isle of Wight where they ended up re-electing a proven corrupt, utterly useless MP (for the most populous constituency in the UK) just because he had a blue rosette and I'll take actually doing their job over that, thanks...

alaimacerc wrote: »

For the UK, we've literally just had someone post a list.

Which isn't complete and is extremely difficult to parse.

alaimacerc wrote: »

It would be a stretch to call that "dynastic". As they're necessarily elected at the same time, in different places, kinda the opposite, really.

In some cases one partner is elected solely on the others name, though

My point is that, like the deluded idea that Ireland is extra-specially corrupt - we are no worse than other countries here, and it is rather odd to even think that when our nearest neighbour has been the same for centuries.

alaimacerc · 12-07-2018 06:52PM

L1011 wrote: »

When you get situations like the Isle of Wight where they ended up re-electing a proven corrupt, utterly useless MP (for the most populous constituency in the UK) just because he had a blue rosette and I'll take actually doing their job over that, thanks...

Yeah, I mean, nothing like that would ever happen in Ireland...

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/lowrys-move-profoundly-corrupt-26716067.html

My point is that, like the deluded idea that Ireland is extra-specially corrupt - we are no worse than other countries here, and it is rather odd to even think that when our nearest neighbour has been the same for centuries.

i.e. your point is to pivot from the original one, which is that Ireland's politics is extra-specially dynastic.

dxhound2005 · 12-07-2018 07:17PM

The answer to the original question (What must people outside of Ireland think of family dynasties in Irish politics!) is that they don't know and they don't care.

L1011 · 13-07-2018 06:41AM

alaimacerc wrote: »

i.e. your point is to pivot from the original one, which is that Ireland's politics is extra-specially dynastic.

But it simply isn't. Politics is dynastic worldwide, it is no more so here than anywhere else.

alaimacerc · 13-07-2018 09:26AM

L1011 wrote: »

But it simply isn't. Politics is dynastic worldwide, it is no more so here than anywhere else.

I think it's at any rate been demonstrated that it's more dynastic here than in the UK, not least by the sheer "butbutbut, I think the UK system is too partisan, and is anecdotally corrupt in other ways!" whataboutery.

Where Ireland ranks in world terms I couldn't say. Feel free to wheel out the hilarious old "not fair to be judging ourselves against northern Europe, compared to Club Med, we're just great!" line.

alaimacerc · 13-07-2018 09:28AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The answer to the original question (What must people outside of Ireland think of family dynasties in Irish politics!) is that they don't know and they don't care.

Very good. You've bracket-fired the target with on the one hand, tangenting from it completely, and on the other, taking it excessively literally. Care to try and actually hit it?

alaimacerc · 13-07-2018 11:02AM

Next week there's a fill-in for the fill-in! O.O And worse, it's Damien O'Reilly, the only person able to lower the tone on Liveline.

sligojoek · 13-07-2018 11:08AM

BU BU BU BU BU BUT I thought Joe was here all summer.

EDIT: Sorry I thought it was the Liveline thread.

alaimacerc · 13-07-2018 11:14AM

sligojoek wrote: »

BU BU BU BU BU BUT I thought Joe was here all summer.

EDIT: Sorry I thought it was the Liveline thread.

Sorry, I made that unnecessarily convoluted. Just couldn't help pointing out his record as a serial filler-inner!

sligojoek · 13-07-2018 11:17AM

alaimacerc wrote: »

Sorry, I made that unnecessarily convoluted. Just couldn't help pointing out his record as a serial filler-inner!

Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

alaimacerc · 13-07-2018 11:24AM

sligojoek wrote: »

Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

He does get his own special time on CulchieWide. But I know in advance when to avoid that.

dulpit · 13-07-2018 11:30AM

What's the point of getting a fill-in for the summer, if they also take time off?

Go get Myles Dungan or Cormac Ó hEadhra and get them to fill in for the whole summer please.

serfboard · 16-07-2018 01:45PM

Classic one from PBH this morning:

"This is PBH filling in for Miriam, filling in for Sean"

Drifter50 · 16-07-2018 08:03PM

serfboard wrote: »

Classic one from PBH this morning:

"This is PBH filling in for Miriam, filling in for Sean"

I heard that too, I said to myself Ouch when he said it.

Similiar to Phil Cawley introducing himself on Today FM, " Hello this is Fill in Phil with you today"

alaimacerc · 17-07-2018 09:19AM

serfboard wrote: »

Classic one from PBH this morning:

"This is PBH filling in for Miriam, filling in for Sean"

Fake news! Announced replacement (for the replacement) was someone else entirely. Soooo, it should have been...

"This is PBH filling in for Damien O'Reilly, filling in for Miriam, filling in for Sean."

anthonyjmaher · 17-07-2018 10:37AM

Eight kids and no means of supporting them. Well done, well done.
And forget how HE is, ask her how are his victims?

alaimacerc · 17-07-2018 12:46PM

Hoping against hope that PBH might be pulling a double shift, but fear that Liveline might be getting presented by Joe Duffy filling in for a decent presenter filling in for Joe Duffy.

alaimacerc · 17-07-2018 08:38PM

Listened back on the website for today's show. Notice the URL:

RTE wrote:

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/today-with-sean-o-rourke/

Then the billed title:

RTE wrote:

Today with Miriam O'Callaghan

And lastly the blurb.

RTE wrote:

The mid-morning current affairs magazine with the stories of the day, sharp analysis, sports coverage, in-depth features and consumer interest. Presented by Philip Boucher-Hayes

Talk about yer basic identity crisis...

Welsh Megaman · 23-07-2018 09:52AM

Leo Sayer!

Any excuse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xseu1RLlcOA

Callan57 · 23-07-2018 09:55AM

I didn't think Mr Craughwell had a snowballs chance in hell but I don't see why the requirement for 4 councils or 20 senators?
Why can't anyone, once they meet the criteria, throw their hat in the ring?
Just another way of keeping things within the "insider circle"?

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