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Missymoohaa · 07-07-2018 08:46PM

To MT and MJ, I can confirm the sea temperatures in wexford are much warmer than last year. We all had a very enjoyable swim, last year it was baltic.

Rock Lesnar · 07-07-2018 08:58PM

Terrific evening here on the south coast of spain, like been at home according to what i was told earlier

spookwoman · 07-07-2018 09:05PM

gozunda wrote: »

So on your hunch of 'more extreme weather' (how do we quantify that exactly?) we are to engage in the development of major infrastructure projects such as the building of new reservoirs and change "farming practices"?

Leaving aside issues of 'changing weather' where weather describes local conditions and looking instead to climatic variations - it is certain that we have experienced similar drought type conditions in 1976 1995 etc. So although these conditions are not usual - it would appear that they are within a longer term irish climatic pattern. Imo the ever present issue of water conservation is perhaps best served by conservation measures including a programme of detecting leaking pipes and overall water wastage.

As to the sentiment that "if people don't change with the times then its their own fault" - I would suggest that vagaries of our climate dramatic should not ultimately dictate the type of agricutual activities (which are uniquely suited to our topography soils and normal weather conditions) anymore than the snow event earlier this year should mean for example that all motorists should change their cars to 4WD all terrain vehicles with snow tires and heated engines even where these conditions do not prevail.

Ultimately drought and other unusual climatic events affect all of us - whether this is in the production or purchase of food and other essentials. Doesn't mean we can't enjoy the unusual conditions but at the end of the day every one has to cope as well as possible giving the challenges faced.

We also know the climate is changing, no one is saying we all buy 4*4 etc I'm just saying be prepared especially in an industry that is reliant on "good weather"
I remember in the 1980's and every year the Shannon floods yet people still build on its marshes etc. When they find their house or fields under 4 foot of water its the counsels fault or someone else.

In 2013 there was a fodder crises and a researcher "Dr Stephen Flood warned of severe future impacts of climate change on Irish agriculture." The report
also said that Ireland could not produce enough fodder. It was dismissed by the IFA, they removed the milk quota and increased the dairy herd. 2017 another fodder crises and they knew this was going to happen months in advance we are again looking at another shortage. They had 5 years warning so who's fault is it if not prepared.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fodder-crisis-proves-we-have-too-many-cows-1.3452925

Andy From Sligo · 07-07-2018 09:07PM

my mum, God rest her, always used to say "its always raining in ireland, even in the summer" and I used to say "thats why everywhere is so lovely and green" - imagine if she was around for the last month with very little rain she would be well surprised!

iamwhoiam · 07-07-2018 09:10PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

my mum, God rest her, always used to say "its always raining in ireland, even in the summer" and I used to say "thats why everywhere is so lovely and green" - imagine if she was around for the last month with very little rain she would be well surprised!

Aren't we all !!!

BliainanAir · 07-07-2018 09:15PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Good chance we'll be getting our fair share of rain within the next 7 to 10 days, as the Atlantic looks like it's going to fight back soon.

There's very little evidence of 'a fair share of rain' over the next 7-10 days. GFS FI isn't really evidence or day 8 of the UKMO hinting at low pressure to the north. When ECM and GEM etc don't agree.

Mullaghteelin · 07-07-2018 09:19PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Good chance we'll be getting our fair share of rain within the next 7 to 10 days, as the Atlantic looks like it's going to fight back soon.

I seriously doubt that.
The models will be as unreliable as ever over the coming days as they try to get a handle on tropical storms in the Atlantic. Even if the Atlantic does break through, it will still be a case of radar watching, with some places getting very little rain while others do much better.
The usual hit and miss.

NIMAN · 07-07-2018 09:22PM

It's raining up north Donegal now, the third bout of rain since 5pm.

It's light, but it's raining.

BliainanAir · 07-07-2018 09:26PM

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

I seriously doubt that.
The models will be as unreliable as ever over the coming days as they try to get a handle on tropical storms in the Atlantic. Even if the Atlantic does break through, it will still be a case of radar watching, with some places getting very little rain while others do much better.
The usual hit and miss.

A gradual breakdown from the Atlantic may bring rain to the west and north first but what falls in Mayo and Donegal will be very different to what will fall in Wexford. Needs a major breakdown to help the south and east or lows from Biscay, stagnant thundery weather.

BliainanAir · 07-07-2018 09:29PM

NIMAN wrote: »

It's raining up north Donegal now, the third bout of rain since 5pm.

It's light, but it's raining.

Often unusual how a year like 2012 was great, weather (and other wise in Donegal). But bar the north west summer was a disaster elsewhere.

force eleven · 07-07-2018 09:29PM

ECM was showing a breakdown yesterday from next weekend. But having had a quick look there that has disappeared, and high pressure remains in charge. No rain looking likely for at least another week.

gozunda · 07-07-2018 09:42PM

spookwoman wrote: »

We also know the climate is changing, no one is saying we all buy 4*4 etc I'm just saying be prepared especially in an industry that is reliant on "good weather"
I remember in the 1980's and every year the Shannon floods yet people still build on its marshes etc. When they find their house or fields under 4 foot of water its the counsels fault or someone else.

In 2013 there was a fodder crises and a researcher "Dr Stephen Flood warned of severe future impacts of climate change on Irish agriculture." The report also said that Ireland could not produce enough fodder. It was dismissed by the IFA, they removed the milk quota and increased the dairy herd. 2017 another fodder crises and they knew this was going to happen months in advance we are again looking at another shortage. They had 5 years warning so who's fault is it if not prepared

Yeah but you referred to weather not climatic change. Ye better go a buy a 4WD to make sure you can drive to work when the next big snow hits ...

Btw farming and more
Importantly food production here is not dependant on 'good weather' rather a range of weather conditions with average parameters. Most years have some shyte weather and you just get on with it regardless.

Extremes like 1976 1995 etc are usually the exception. The problem with 2017/2018 is thst we've had six months of rainfall then freezing conditions and then drought - even the tarmacadam on the roads can't put up with that - never mind animals or crops growing in the fields etc.

Poor planning permission policy has got feck all to do with anything here. Even a 100 year flood is going to cause problems with that kinda of shortsightness. Whose problem is that?

Btw it's not just 'fodder atm - arable horticultural and animal farming has all been seriously impacted this year. Ireland has an extensive form of agriculture which allows us to produce premium agricultural produce with a generally low reliance on feedstuffs. Agricultural output responds to demand and in most years farmers carry a surplus of silage hay etc into the following year. No forecast or fortune teller is going to gaze into their crystal ball and spot 3 successive different weather issues which have affected every single sector atm . Whose problem is that?

Yeah **** happens. But going around pointing fingers and saying it's all yer fault is pure ballcocks.

sryanbruen · 07-07-2018 10:55PM

https://twitter.com/MetEireann/status/1015715806766862337

mg1982 · 07-07-2018 10:57PM

On the ME forecast after the nine news Joan was saying the dry spell looks to go on indefinitely. Not good news for farmers.

Anyone else notice the lack of birds around (of the feathered variety) apart from magpies and crows.

07-07-2018 11:03PM

Zapperzy wrote: »

So many butterflies and dragonflies this year. The dragonflies are huge too, hadn't seen them in years.

Have a shallow tray of water in the garden for the birds, there's a queue to it all day long.

I’ve 2 dishes of water out every day for thrushes, robins and tits, but none are coming to drink . Have you any tips? Should I put food out to encourage them?
I’m seeing far fewer birds now than in the snow in winter .

Colser · 07-07-2018 11:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve 2 dishes of water out every day for thrushes, robins and tits, but none are coming to drink . Have you any tips? Should I put food out to encourage them?
I’m seeing far fewer birds now than in the snow in winter .

I've been leaving out a full bucket of water with the same result,I read (maybe here can't remember)that you need to leave it out in a very shallow container so will try that tomorrow.

Andy From Sligo · 07-07-2018 11:23PM

St Swithin’s Day (July 15th?) will be the day to watch

St Swithin’s Day, if it does rain
Full forty days, it will remain
St Swithin’s Day, if it be fair
For forty days, t'will rain no more."

sryanbruen · 07-07-2018 11:36PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

St Swithin’s Day (July 15th?) will be the day to watch

St Swithin’s Day, if it does rain
Full forty days, it will remain
St Swithin’s Day, if it be fair
For forty days, t'will rain no more."

ECM 12z for St. Swithin's Day:

Andy From Sligo · 07-07-2018 11:39PM

sryanbruen wrote: »

ECM 12z for St. Swithin's Day:

whats that in English? - looks dry, is that right?

CloughCasey1 · 07-07-2018 11:41PM

sryanbruen wrote: »

sryanbruen wrote: »

If ECM 12z follows history of previous days, it will be an unsettled run. The ECM 12z runs have had a tendency to be unsettled recently even though the 0z runs tended to be settled.

It does not follow history, staying settled and warm.

This year has already given history a right boot up the behind!!

sryanbruen · 07-07-2018 11:46PM

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

whats that in English? - looks dry, is that right?

Anywhere you see white/grey is bone dry - see the colour key/legend below the chart which gives colours for different amounts of rainfall - for 7am on Sunday 15th July.

Harry Palmr · 07-07-2018 11:53PM

gozunda - fail to prepare/prepare to fail.

This country should be investing in water infrastructure and certainly in a decent reservoir capacity. As for Irish food production not being weather dependent - the country sells agri-business on images of cattle grazing on lush green grass. In a decade we could see the whole shebang move indoors - as is the case in the USA where millions of cattle never go outside and are fed with concentrates. If Irish beef production looks like that then it's lost its USP and only the price will matter. Anyway that's a debate for the farming forum, not this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation

An Ri rua · 07-07-2018 11:55PM

Deleted User wrote:

Iâ€™ve 2 dishes of water out every day for thrushes, robins and tits, but none are coming to drink . Have you any tips? Should I put food out to encourage them? Iâ€™m seeing far fewer birds now than in the snow in winter .

Is the water in constant shade? Ensure it is.
I've put out oats, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds for the last fortnight. Flipping heck, my lot will win prizes at the Tullamore show at this rate

Saw something bizarre earlier today. A sparrow perched up on the satellite dish and preventing the swallows from rebuilding their former nest in the eave. Have seen a lot of animals and birds become less afraid of humans (same as any harsh weather) but not sparrows and swallows scrapping :O

Andy From Sligo · 08-07-2018 12:14AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

gozunda - fail to prepare/prepare to fail.

This country should be investing in water infrastructure and certainly in a decent reservoir capacity. As for Irish food production not being weather dependent - the country sells agri-business on images of cattle grazing on lush green grass. In a decade we could see the whole shebang move indoors - as is the case in the USA where millions of cattle never go outside and are fed with concentrates. If Irish beef production looks like that then it's lost its USP and only the price will matter. Anyway that's a debate for the farming forum, not this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation

Ugh - US meat and dairy is rank compared to Ireland ...

gozunda · 08-07-2018 12:14AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

gozunda - fail to prepare/prepare to fail. This country should be investing in water infrastructure and certainly in a decent reservoir capacity. As for Irish food production not being weather dependent - the country sells agri-business on images of cattle grazing on lush green grass. In a decade we could see the whole shebang move indoors - as is the case in the USA where millions of cattle never go outside and are fed with concentrates. If Irish beef production looks like that then it's lost its USP and only the price will matter. Anyway that's a debate for the farming forum, not this one.

Platitudes are just that Harry ...

Btw No one said that agriculture is not "weather dependant'- what was stated is that like most production systems it works inside certain parameters as defined by topography climate and soil. The type of agriculture practised here is dictated by all of these. Extremes are a challenge and not an excuse to call for throwing babies out with the bathwater and other types of hyperbole.

Infrastructure that works is a must. The other thing is that Irish agriculture is not just fodder- it's much much more. But I see the drum bangers keep up the same mantra again. Yes there are challenges in every industry including food production. This drought is affecting all types of agriculture including the basic ingredients of the 'concentrates' you are referring to. Arable and horticultural produce is every bit affected by this drought as is suburban water usage. Should we therefore all move our urban areas to somewhere like iceland because of drought years such as 1976 1995 etc etc? No I don't think so. We cope and move forward

All types of human endeavours require access to water resources. In the current drought the wastage in the system is exemplified in the huge loses from the existing pipe network. For certain that requires fixng before urban areas such as Dublin require even more abstraction from rural areas to meet those ever increasing and currently wasteful demands.

Ultimate Seduction · 08-07-2018 12:21AM

Any sunshine expected tomorrow for Limerick/Tipp

pad199207 · 08-07-2018 12:29AM

Tonight’s sunset from wexford

Jean Valentine

sdanseo · 08-07-2018 12:55AM

force eleven wrote: »

ECM was showing a breakdown yesterday from next weekend. But having had a quick look there that has disappeared, and high pressure remains in charge. No rain looking likely for at least another week.

Accumulated total precipitation between now and 17th July from the 12Z ECM.

Most of the country struggling to get even 5mm, Kerry and other mountainous areas the notable exceptions.

Outside Kerry mountains almost all of this to fall on or after next weekend, with nothing at all until then for the vast majority of us.

Zapperzy · 08-07-2018 01:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve 2 dishes of water out every day for thrushes, robins and tits, but none are coming to drink . Have you any tips? Should I put food out to encourage them?
I’m seeing far fewer birds now than in the snow in winter .

I've still got a seed feeder out and have dozens of small birds and starlings visiting every day. I've filled the tray that goes underneath a flower pot with water and replace it every day with fresh water, it's about 12 inches in diameter and probably less than an inch in depth. Just placed on the grass underneath the feeder so I suppose they're used to visiting the feeder anyways. Little birds are able to perch on the edge and drink from it, starlings stand in the middle of it and drink/wash themselves.

I read I think in this thread that placing a few stones in your waterbath if it's too deep will give them something to perch on.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-07-2018 01:32AM

Top temperatures in the south and east tomorrow. Some good sunshine. Cloudier in the northwest.

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