What would happen if all welfare payments ended today

Zebra3 · 07-07-2018 02:07PM

I guess the OP is talking about social welfare payments but not business welfare payments?

ThunbergsAreGo · 07-07-2018 02:55PM

Blazer wrote: »

It would be chaos and anarchy.
What would you do to feed your family if tomorrow morning you lost your job and had no money?

Get up on my feet and let go of every excuse
What would you do
Cause I wouldn't want my baby, to go through what I went through

Danny Donut · 07-07-2018 03:03PM

badabing106 wrote: »

Never to return.. What would happen in a month, six months or a year down the line

Pensioners starving - until the hypathermia got them. Maybe we could reintroduce the workhouse

Widows with young families similar - still there's always the laundry, they were great and they got a really nice starch to collars.

Bosses doing whatever they wanted because no one would risk saying boo.

Lovely:rolleyes:

Reati · 07-07-2018 03:08PM

Chewbacca wrote: »

The problem is, most people personally know people who play the system and get away with it.

The waaah waaah gimme gimme I'm entitled to it fcuktards are fcuking pr1cks and are fcuking lazy cnuts.

Well, in regards to the people I personally know anyway. However, Iv no problem with genuine cases, just the long term leeches.

And the same moaners can report fraud and abuse via a anonymous website. Or is it just moaners that want to bad mouth the system and the people doing but are too Irish to actually to anything about it.

the purple tin · 07-07-2018 03:15PM

Sales of cider, pyjamas and chinese takeaways would plummet.

Yer Da sells Avon · 07-07-2018 03:17PM

If welfare payments ended today, the dregs of AH would find someone else to bash.

CrankyHaus · 07-07-2018 03:46PM

Reati wrote: »

And the same moaners can report fraud and abuse via a anonymous website. Or is it just moaners that want to bad mouth the system and the people doing but are too Irish to actually to anything about it.

Is there much point reporting when it is treated so leniently by the courts?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2805144/finglas-mum-michelle-burke-las-vegas-wedding-social-welfare/

Hector Bellend · 07-07-2018 04:39PM

Think of all the off licences that would go out of business

CruelCoin · 07-07-2018 05:19PM

"What would happen if all welfare payments ended today"

There wouldn't be an intact front door in the land.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-07-2018 05:24PM

A lot of people need it, so many are just never ever going to work ever ever ever ever ever ever.

Huntergonzo · 07-07-2018 05:34PM

Welfare ain't going anywhere, the state budgets for it and is happy to do so.

The state pays for those who need it, ie those with medical needs, the elderly etc etc and it also pays for the wasters who want to do nothing and will do nothing till the day they die.

In the latter case, just imagine the state as the working parent and the waster as their hopeless case child. The parent (state) then has a decision to make, a) fund the child to keep it alive or b) cut the cord and let the child die.

The state currently chooses to fund the waster, and look ultimately that money just keeps going round and round anyway because most of it is spent on booze and fags. So I'm pretty indifferent to the whole thing.

Pauliedragon · 07-07-2018 05:39PM

The country wouldn't save any money if welfare stopped suddenly. All the money would have to be re directed to police and other security forces to control the fall out.

Kermit.de.frog · 07-07-2018 05:46PM

The United States handles this very well. If you don't get off your arse within a few months you are effectively made homeless and destitute.

There are no questions, no debate - you have to work. You have to earn your way.

This fear of actual consequences is part motivator of an entrepreneurial society because people literally have no choice.

So to answer the OP - it would hurt people but maybe that is the medicine that is needed. Otherwise I can't see any difference for people who contribute to society.

Gatling · 07-07-2018 05:48PM

Imagine what they could do with the near 20 billion per year in savings if payments ceased immediately.

Operation fend for themselves would be a go

arctictree · 07-07-2018 05:52PM

They would have to remove the minimum wage at the same time so enough jobs would be created to employ people who need money for food.

Kermit.de.frog · 07-07-2018 06:10PM

Another point is in the US there is no expectation of getting help from the state. From childhood they know the consequences of not contributing.

There is no tax-free $200 per week waiting at the nearest post office for you.

The more you think about the fact people get €200 a week in this country and they can literally do sweet fcuk all for it is amazing.

You can go from 18 years of age till the day you die living entirely on the state.

Even if you are the dumbest left winger going you would have to say that that situation is hugely damaging to society.

It breeds personal irresponsibility, laziness and dependency which is devastating and it should not be allowed.

07-07-2018 06:11PM

€65 million in pension payments to former politicians

https://www.rte.ie/amp/711388/

end of the road · 07-07-2018 07:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The United States handles this very well. If you don't get off your arse within a few months you are effectively made homeless and destitute.

There are no questions, no debate - you have to work. You have to earn your way.

This fear of actual consequences is part motivator of an entrepreneurial society because people literally have no choice.

So to answer the OP - it would hurt people but maybe that is the medicine that is needed. Otherwise I can't see any difference for people who contribute to society.

this "fear of actual consequences" also seems to be by the looks of it, a part motivator of a huge crime problem and prison population and the costs that go with it, as well as apparently quite the amount of destitution. so, certainly not a route i would suggest we go down if we want a properly functioning society.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Another point is in the US there is no expectation of getting help from the state. From childhood they know the consequences of not contributing.

There is no tax-free $200 per week waiting at the nearest post office for you.

The more you think about the fact people get €200 a week in this country and they can literally do sweet fcuk all for it is amazing.

You can go from 18 years of age till the day you die living entirely on the state.

Even if you are the dumbest left winger going you would have to say that that situation is hugely damaging to society.

It breeds personal irresponsibility, laziness and dependency which is devastating and it should not be allowed.

our system is the least worst option IMO. the type of system you want, as in the american system, seems to cause more issues then it is actually worth.

super_furry · 07-07-2018 07:12PM

Thankfully Ireland is better than that and there's not a single political party in the country with the will, desire or demand to ape American right wing politics. Even our most right wing party are left on the political spectrum to the Democrats.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 07-07-2018 07:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

this "fear of actual consequences" also seems to be by the looks of it, a part motivator of a huge crime problem and prison population and the costs that go with it, as well as apparently quite the amount of destitution. so, certainly not a route i would suggest we go down if we want a properly functioning society.

our system is the least worst option IMO. the type of system you want, as in the american system, seems to cause more issues then it is actually worth.

Good points there, it's probably the most likely reason of the high prison population. If you have no money, you'll have to resort to crime to get it.

Chaos Tourist · 07-07-2018 08:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The United States handles this very well. If you don't get off your arse within a few months you are effectively made homeless and destitute.

There are no questions, no debate - you have to work. You have to earn your way.

This fear of actual consequences is part motivator of an entrepreneurial society because people literally have no choice.

So to answer the OP - it would hurt people but maybe that is the medicine that is needed. Otherwise I can't see any difference for people who contribute to society.

The United States is an oligarchic ****hole controlled by psychopaths that would make Genghis Khan blush.

Surely you can find better countries to compare Ireland to?

Dakota Dan · 07-07-2018 08:37PM

Halloween Jack wrote: »

Local businesses will lose about 20bn a year in income

In alcohol and cigarette sales.

_Kaiser_ · 07-07-2018 08:47PM

What would happen?

All the middle-class me-feiners who seem to think that paying tax entitles them to a say in how every cent is spent and that it should only be used for their own group would start celebrating....

.. right up until society started to fall apart and look like something like the afters of a disaster movie

:rolleyes:

Wheeliebin30 · 07-07-2018 08:50PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What would happen?

All the middle-class me-feiners who seem to think that paying tax entitles them to a say in how every cent is spent and that it should only be used for their own group would start celebrating....

.. right up until society started to fall apart and look like something like the afters of a disaster movie

:rolleyes:

Not a say in every cent but a say in a few would be nice.

_Kaiser_ · 07-07-2018 08:52PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Not a say in every cent but a say in a few would be nice.

That's why we have TD's and elections. Feel free to make your positions known to them in the coming months when/if they hit the GE campaign trail.

ger vallely · 07-07-2018 08:55PM

I work in a preschool, by all accounts we’re the cornerstone of education. Or so we’re told at most all of the many courses and seminars we must attend. But we do not get paid during the two summer months off nor do we get paid when off for Christmas or Easter. So we all sign on, every year, for two months. Go through the hassle and the intrusion into our financial affairs just to hopefully get perhaps half of our weekly wage. So, yeah, I’d be pretty annoyed should this be suddenly stopped. Although I would much rather get paid during the summer.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-07-2018 08:59PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That's why we have TD's and elections. Feel free to make your positions known to them in the coming months when/if they hit the GE campaign trail.

Agree 100%

_Kaiser_ · 07-07-2018 09:02PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Agree 100%

Jaysus.. me and you agreeing on a political point :eek:

Grayson · 07-07-2018 09:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Another point is in the US there is no expectation of getting help from the state. From childhood they know the consequences of not contributing.

There is no tax-free $200 per week waiting at the nearest post office for you.

The more you think about the fact people get €200 a week in this country and they can literally do sweet fcuk all for it is amazing.

You can go from 18 years of age till the day you die living entirely on the state.

Even if you are the dumbest left winger going you would have to say that that situation is hugely damaging to society.

It breeds personal irresponsibility, laziness and dependency which is devastating and it should not be allowed.

And yet the vast majority of people don't abuse the system. It seems that humanity is better than you think it is.

btw, america also has a ridiculous amount of poverty. People die because they can't get healthcare.

NinetyTwoTeam · 07-07-2018 09:15PM

Then tomorrow there wouldn't be anything for díckheads to make these kind of threads about, that have already been done many times.

What would happen if all welfare payments ended today

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