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M28 - Cork to Ringaskiddy [advance works ongoing; 2025 start; 2028 completion]

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  • #502
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    In the event of a motorway closure, there will be signs erected at each junction signalling diversion/alternate routes for traffic. These will be backed up by flashing notices on the VMSs erected along the route.

    A similar initiative exists along the M50 in Dublin.

    There will be issues on the M40 though due to the lack of suitable alternatives along much of the route (J10-J11, J9-J10)


  • #503
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    In the event of a motorway closure, there will be signs erected at each junction signalling diversion/alternate routes for traffic. These will be backed up by flashing notices on the VMSs erected along the route.

    A similar initiative exists along the M50 in Dublin.

    There will be issues on the M40 though due to the lack of suitable alternatives along much of the route (J10-J11, J9-J10)
    I don't think there's any way they can close the N40 at any point between Douglas and Dunkettle without paralysing the entire city. It just can't happen. 

    (Unless they complete the Cork Ring Road... :D)


  • #504
    marno21
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    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0531/967250-indaver/

    More trucks on the N28 making the motorway more important than ever


  • #505
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yes, although with the amount of legal action there'll be against the incinerator, even if there is no legal pushback to the M28 they'll probably open at the same time!!


  • #506
    marno21
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    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Yes, although with the amount of legal action there'll be against the incinerator, even if there is no legal pushback to the M28 they'll probably open at the same time!!
    Going by the current rate ABP are working at the Incinerator will be open by the time there is a final decision made on the M28. If ABP approve the M28 I'd imagine the cranks won't give up then so it will likely drag on another while


  • #507
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭Limerick74


    Good news €80m cargo container terminal to be built in Cork Harbour https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0618/971327-ringaskiddy/


  • #508
    marno21
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    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Good news €80m cargo container terminal to be built in Cork Harbour https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0618/971327-ringaskiddy/

    Will be fantastic to see all those trucks rattling down 6m wide road in the company of 27,000 cars as per the wishes of a select group of Rochestown residents


  • #509
    Kevwoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Kevwoody


    marno21 wrote:
    Will be fantastic to see all those trucks rattling down 6m wide road in the company of 27,000 cars as per the wishes of a select group of Rochestown residents


    When is the decision due?


  • #510
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Kevwoody wrote: »
    When is the decision due?

    July 6th


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  • #511
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    ABP granting permission for the incinerator in Ringaskiddy last week and the Port of Cork announcing today that they are going ahead with the new container terminal leads me to believe that the M28 steering group has merely delayed the upgrade of the road. :)


  • #512
    marno21
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    zetalambda wrote: »
    ABP granting permission for the incinerator in Ringaskiddy last week and the Port of Cork announcing today that they are going ahead with the new container terminal leads me to believe that the M28 steering group has merely delayed the upgrade of the road. :)

    Indeed it would be bizarre for them to approve the incinerator and not the motorway. Especially given how many policies the M28 is compliant with

    The M28 is even more needed now with the incinerator and the relocated Port. And Brexit. And just in general given the scheme has been active for 16 years now and there has been consistent traffic growth.

    If approved I've no doubt the "I've had my fun and that's all that matters" bridgade will be on 96FM and co rattling their tins looking for money for an appeal to hold it up even further


  • #513
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    zetalambda wrote: »
    ABP granting permission for the incinerator in Ringaskiddy last week and the Port of Cork announcing today that they are going ahead with the new container terminal leads me to believe that the M28 steering group has merely delayed the upgrade of the road. :)
    Didn't think of it that way. Of course it makes sense - ABP isn't going to green-light large projects which will pour trucks onto the N28 unless the N28 itself is also going to be upgraded.
    Roll on July 6th. :D


  • #514
    marno21
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    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Didn't think of it that way. Of course it makes sense - ABP isn't going to green-light large projects which will pour trucks onto the N28 unless the N28 itself is also going to be upgraded.
    Roll on July 6th. :D
    I hope the decision will be published before PJ finishes up on 96FM. It'll be interesting listening.


  • #515
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Only one more week until we found out when the decision has been delayed until...


  • #516
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭Limerick74


    Decision on its way according to rumours


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  • #517
    CHealy
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    Planning granted.


  • #518
    Kevwoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Kevwoody


    CHealy wrote:
    Planning granted.


    Is that official??


  • #519
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭Limerick74


    Two sources so looks good


  • #520
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Great news


  • #521
    marno21
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    http://www.pleanala.ie/documents/reports/MA0/RMA0014.pdf

    ABP Inspector's Report, which to no surprise, recommends an approval of the scheme.


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  • #522
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MOD:

    The M28 project has been approved, and as a result, this thread will now be for discussion of where the scheme goes from here, not an existential debate on the scheme.

    Debating whether it should be built or not goes here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057734629


  • #523
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Outstanding news.


  • #524
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    What’s the M48 link road mentioned in the article. Is this a spur to go to the Airport?


  • #525
    marno21
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    What’s the M48 link road mentioned in the article. Is this a spur to go to the Airport?

    I'm not sure but I believe it could be a reservation for a link road from the future M28 to the future M71 in the LONG term

    Or a typo.


  • #526
    AugustusMinimus
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    I suspect it’s a spur to the airport Roundabout.

    Unlike what the Steering Group will tell you, the Kinsale Roundabout cannot handle anymore traffic and this spur if correct is badly needed.


  • #527
    Aontachtoir
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    Assuming no endless judicial challenge, what is the planned construction timescale?


  • #528
    marno21
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    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Assuming no endless judicial challenge, what is the planned construction timescale?

    Cork County Council will likely issue a tender in the next few months for advance works, construction and completion. If fully funded it could start in 2020 or early 2021


  • #529
    cantalach
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    Sense has prevailed, and I'm a local resident.


  • #530
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Great news for those motorists who have to travel through Carrs Hill every morning and afternoon.

    That part of road is not fit for purpose.

    The sooner motorway is built the better for everyone who uses the sub standard N28.


  • #531
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    What’s the M48 link road mentioned in the article.

    What article are you talking about?


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  • #532
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Not sure when this was changed, but glad to see that it is now proposed that the entire M28 will be motorway from the N40 to Barnahely. None of this "build a motorway grade road but call it something else" nonsense, please.


  • #533
    Ludo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Any changes made such as the Mount Oval off ramp which a lot of people thought would be removed?


  • #534
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Not sure when this was changed, but glad to see that it is now proposed that the entire M28 will be motorway from the N40 to Barnahely. None of this "build a motorway grade road but call it something else" nonsense, please.

    This was changed when it was submitted to ABP back early last year. I believe the main reason it changed is that there is now a plan to make the N40 a motorway so no need for all purpose access at Bloomfield


  • #535
    marno21
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    Ludo wrote: »
    Any changes made such as the Mount Oval off ramp which a lot of people thought would be removed?

    It will be traffic calmed for safety purposes


  • #536
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    spacetweek wrote: »
    What article are you taling about?

    https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Ringaskiddy-motorway-granted-permission-e24af8e0-6469-4806-a376-ff4384f806c4-ds

    Echo quotes an M48.


  • #537
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    marno21 wrote: »
    It will be traffic calmed for safety purposes

    Any other changes such as to the Carr’s Hill junction? Selfishly this is a key design point for me.


  • #538
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    Any other changes such as to the Carr’s Hill junction? Selfishly this is a key design point for me.

    It appears not.

    I was surprised that the scheme has pretty much been approved as is with little changes.

    An opening there to Maryborough Ridge may have had merit


  • #539
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    marno21 wrote: »
    It appears not.

    I was surprised that the scheme has pretty much been approved as is with little changes.

    An opening there to Maryborough Ridge may have had merit

    A great pity this was removed from the original design.


  • #540
    JohnC.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Ringaskiddy-motorway-granted-permission-e24af8e0-6469-4806-a376-ff4384f806c4-ds

    Echo quotes an M48.

    Could they have perhaps have meant something to do with the M40?


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  • #541
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    As per ABP Inspectors Report, container operations at Ringaskiddy are restricted until this is built. I would hope that means this will push on now and hopefully start in 2020.

    Any Governmental filibustering of this project be it funding or otherwise is unacceptable.


  • #542
    two wheels good
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭two wheels good


    Just browsing the planning report now. Can someone tell me where the Ballyhemiken Quarry at Rafeen is located please? Maybe with a map link. Thanks.


  • #543
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭Limerick74


    Rafeen Quarry highlighted on M28 Scheme Map


  • #544
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    M28 will be complete for 2024 if funded according to TII

    https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/M28-Ringaskiddy-motorway-could-be-completed-by-2024-b629ab44-1c53-457f-903e-c40e6b929c86-ds


  • #545
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I can also foresee a N7-M20 junction scenario here.

    The locals went crazy when the original proposal had a link through Rochestown Ridge for the Carr’s Hill interchange.

    When this scheme is completed, I can see the residents calling for a link to be introduced when they realise what a mistake they’ve made. It would dramatically improve local roads across. It’s a real pity as the roads in the area were built with the intention of the link to Carr’s Hill here.

    The other thing I’ll say is that the old N28 can now be detrunked and used for local access. Introduce traffic calming on it and allow right turns again along its length. Those with properties on the N28 will see a dramatic improvement in their day to day lives.


  • #546
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MOD:

    Off topic posts moved to other M28 thread. Please continue discussions on house prices and judicial reviews there.


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  • #547
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There is a decision on this project expected from the High Court in the coming months.

    The complex N5 scheme in County Roscommon has a target by TII of construction contract award in late 2020. Given that this scheme is less onerous archaeologically and in relation to advance works, subject to favourable High Court decision & failure to appeal from the objectors, this scheme could progress to construction in the first half of 2021.

    Fingers crossed.


  • #548
    steeler j
    Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭steeler j


    marno21 wrote: »
    There is a decision on this project expected from the High Court in the coming months.

    The complex N5 scheme in County Roscommon has a target by TII of construction contract award in late 2020. Given that this scheme is less onerous archaeologically and in relation to advance works, subject to favourable High Court decision & failure to appeal from the objectors, this scheme could progress to construction in the first half of 2021.

    Fingers crossed.

    Hopefully , fingers and toes crossed


  • #549
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    There is a decision on this project expected from the High Court in the coming months.

    If the Steering Group's Facebook page can be believed, it could be much sooner. They said to expect a decision within 4 to 6 weeks of the last day of the review, which was April 5th. So we are already in potential result territory, and should hopefully know by Friday next week (the 17th).

    Fingers and toes crossed! ;)


  • #550
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MOD:

    I will be closely watching this thread, it is ONLY for discussion of the progress on the M28 scheme. Posts which would have been for the other thread will be deleted.

    I did have a look at the Courts website to check but like Carrs Hill at 8am, it has ground to a halt and stopped functioning. I believe there was a date in June on the Courts website recently.

    With a bit of luck we will see tenders for advance works & engineering consultants soon after the decision is announced.


  • #551
    danny004
    Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭danny004


    Rumors of Monday the 27th May the judge has recalled all parties at 2pm


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