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Anyone willing to admit that they supported the IRA at any point?

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  • #302
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Some of them had the best job in the whole world, beating the sh*t out of IRA terrorists in prison. Well done to them.

    That'd be like the other side of this saying that at least the IRA killed 1,000 security force members. A bit twisted?


  • #303
    _CreeD_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    flookdgates wrote: »
    The PIRA had my passive support until the Enniskillen bombing. T

    "Anyone willing to admit that they supported the IRA at any point? "

    Apparently not you Captain Anonymous....


  • #304
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It was a war??

    There was collusion, the British government used whatever means it thought to protect itself.

    Which is utterly disgraceful but the other side were at it too.

    It’s not that hard to understand, I don’t get why people think it’s a shock.

    it was a war indeed. a war started by the security forces beating innocent people out of it when they protested against being second class citizens. Its no wonder the IRA existed and people supported them.


  • #305
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    The British colluded in deaths, what’s the shock here???

    That people can defend one side but not the other!


  • #306
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    That people can defend one side but not the other!

    im glad wheeliebin has seen the light


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  • #307
    umop episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭umop episdn


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Why are you defending the security forces who have blood on their hands?

    And now.... strawmanning...


  • #308
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Some of them had the best job in the whole world, beating the sh*t out of IRA terrorists in prison. Well done to them.

    That'd be like the other side of this saying that at least the IRA killed 1,000 security force members. A bit twisted?
    The collusion to get the leadership of the IRA should have been much better, it was rather weak and sloppy as it turns out.


  • #309
    DONTMATTER
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    umop episdn wrote: »
    And now.... strawmanning...

    You have all the internet phrases down but you have no argument.


  • #310
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    umop episdn wrote: »
    And now.... strawmanning...

    and all the while you avoid any questions put to you


  • #311
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Taytoland wrote: »
    The collusion to get the leadership of the IRA should have been much better, it was rather weak and sloppy as it turns out.

    So you're admitting that you're ok with murder?


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  • #312
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    The collusion to get the leadership of the IRA should have been much better, it was rather weak and sloppy as it turns out.

    So you're admitting that you're ok with murder?
    Of terrorists, yes.


  • #313
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Of terrorists, yes.
    terrorist
    ˈtɛrərɪst/Submit
    noun
    1.
    a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

    Every army in the world then, plus the RUC


  • #314
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,130 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    archer22 wrote: »
    At the end of the day the security forces are the real unsung heroes...by the latter stages of the conflict they had both the republicans and loyalists so infiltrated that either side could rarely carry out a successful attack and even if they did they were quickly arrested.
    The amount of lives and property those brave men and women saved is incalculable ...and it is work they quietly continue doing to this day.
    Total anarchy and chaos would have been the order of the day without them...its thanks to them that civilisation now prevails.

    Pity they didn’t stop Michael Stone murdering people burying their dead.

    Turned up on time to save him though.

    Real heroes, all right.


  • #315
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Of terrorists, yes.

    Finally, an admission that the British Arny were legitimate targets.


  • #316
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Of terrorists, yes.

    But the security forces murdered numerous civilians!


  • #317
    umop episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭umop episdn


    maccored wrote: »
    and all the while you avoid any questions put to you

    I'm asking questions of no-one, why would I want to to answer any?


  • #318
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I'm nearly fifty now and grew up the Republic and would've have read and been I suppose very aware from the media from a young age of Northern Ireland .
    A couple of things early formed my mindset , reading 10 Men Deaad was really disturbing along with the Shankill Butchers .Ten Men Dead if you read it , you might think about the charisma of the leadership of these protests and then the sense of loss.

    Anyways what swings me completely away from any violence was the deaths of my friends grandmother in a no warning bomb blast and the death of another friends cousin .She was a serving soldier but what her family did after her death is astounding , they were a family of Northern protestants who forgave there daughters killers and move to Dublin.


  • #319
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Taytoland wrote: »
    A well established lie from Republicans.

    Yes the British are known for fair play and good sportsmanship. If we all just sat around and let them treat Catholics like second class citizens, sure we'd be grand now.


  • #320
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,155 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    The British colluded in deaths, what’s the shock here???

    None whatsoever. Nor in the opinions of those who still support the idea.


  • #321
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    umop episdn wrote: »
    I'm asking questions of no-one, why would I want to to answer any?

    you seem to have a lot of remarks to share all the same - remarks that you don't seem to be able to support. Sometimes that could be called waffle.


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  • #322
    umop episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭umop episdn


    maccored wrote: »
    you seem to have a lot of remarks to share all the same - remarks that you don't seem to be able to support. Sometimes that could be called waffle.

    They are called opinions....


  • #323
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    umop episdn wrote: »
    They are called opinions....

    Yeah, 'opinions' that when someone asks you to define or outline you are silent about. Grand I say - if you prefer to waffle thats your decision. Have fun!


  • #324
    umop episdn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭umop episdn


    maccored wrote: »
    Yeah, 'opinions' that when someone asks you to define or outline you are silent about. Grand I say - if you prefer to waffle thats your decision. Have fun!

    My opinions are there in black and white for you to digest, instead you resort to ad hominems


  • #325
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    umop episdn wrote: »
    My opinions are there in black and white for you to digest, instead you resort to ad hominems

    I thought they were a bit upside-down in fairness.


  • #326
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    It was a war??

    There was collusion, the British government used whatever means it thought to protect itself.

    Which is utterly disgraceful but the other side were at it too.

    It’s not that hard to understand, I don’t get why people think it’s a shock.

    The British are utterly dishonest about their role in the 06, they won’t participate in any truth forum as they understand how much they have to lose. Although Britain is responsible for the war in this country, and has the blood of (literally) countless Irish people on their hands through murder and intent for some incredible reason they are not to the same standards that Republicans are.

    Public opinion in Ireland towards the British Army and British atrocities in Ireland is generally somewhere between rolling eyes and “get over it, it’s in the past why don’t you grow up” whereas the IRA are murdering bastards.


  • #327
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought they were a bit upside-down in fairness.

    technically though its backwards


  • #328
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    The British created the environment on this island for the IRA. The freedoms I enjoy today are as a result of IRA, and all irish people have whether they like to admit it or not

    The conflict in the north is something that cannot ever be classed in black or white ideals but the british desire to rule everything in sight has had a huge cost to people on this island


  • #329
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Dempsey wrote: »
    The British created the environment on this island for the IRA. The freedoms I enjoy today are as a result of IRA, and all irish people have whether they like to admit it or not

    The conflict in the north is something that cannot ever be classed in black or white ideals but the british desire to rule everything in sight has had a huge cost to people on this island

    ...and this country can actually only grow up when we accept this fact and are comfortable with it instead of all the PC bull**** that you see now regarding our “relationship” with Britain.

    We’re like the battered wife always seeking the love of the abusive husband.


  • #330
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    Pity they didnt blow Thatcher to bits. The ira were pretty good terrorists compared to those muslim ones. They got a bomb into the same building as one of the most important political figures in the world. Id like to see issis try beat that. I didnt support the murder of innocent people but attacks on the crown forces were fair game in my opinion and thatcher was a real biggoted bitch.
    In the end the ira got a good deal for there efforts in the good friday agreeement.


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  • #331
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    We’re like the battered wife always seeking the love of the abusive husband.

    Funny you should mention. Whenever I hear "This Is A Rebel Song" by Sinead O'Connor it pisses me off for literally this reason. Maybe it's the whole repressed, "good Christian" Ireland thing at play, but why exactly are we always supposed to be the ones to turn the other cheek? If it's not with Britain, it's with the Troika, it's with Germany (Frankfurt), it's with France (Sarkozy), it's with the Americans (Shannon, rendition, surveillance), it's with international commerce (Facebook) etc. Why, in so many peoples' eyes, are we supposed to always be the ones to "yield" whenever there's any kind of conflict whatsoever? Is it never our turn to say "actually, we have the right of way here - you can wait your turn for once"?

    Sometimes it's ok to say "you guys started this by being absolute w@nkers, and although our side did many wrong things, you were the ones who acted without any provocation, in the pursuit of power. So you're automatically worse, because your motivations were abhorrent right from the beginning."

    The bottom line is that the motivation for what the British and the Loyalists did in Ireland was the pursuit of power and subjugation of other human beings. That, as far as I'm concerned, is one of the most scummy traits of humanity.


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