Gay Pride at work

GarIT · 02-07-2018 02:34PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a conservative with a negative opinion of Pride? say it isn't so.

Well I know some that wouldn't comment on it any other time of the year or take the attitude of "I don't care about it as long as I don't see it happening" but they get riled up on pride day because of the scummy few that get too drunk and cause all sorts of problems.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2018 02:40PM

GarIT wrote: »

Well I know some that wouldn't comment on it any other time of the year or take the attitude of "I don't care about it as long as I don't see it happening" but they get riled up on pride day because of the scummy few that get too drunk and cause all sorts of problems.

Were there a lot of problems on saturday with drunk people attending pride? i didnt hear of any trouble.

kunst nugget · 02-07-2018 02:43PM

GarIT wrote: »

Well I know some that wouldn't comment on it any other time of the year or take the attitude of "I don't care about it as long as I don't see it happening" but they get riled up on pride day because of the scummy few that get too drunk and cause all sorts of problems.

Didn't see any hassle on the day. There was tight security at the event and no one was allowed to bring alcohol into the main event at the end of the march. It was a million miles away from the scumminess I've seen at Paddy's Day.

Dr Brown · 02-07-2018 02:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Were there a lot of problems on saturday with drunk people attending pride? i didnt hear of any trouble.

The STDs probably did up.

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/stds-hit-record-high-us-gay-men-disproportionately-affected/#gs.RJkwxpA

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2018 02:55PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The STDs probably did up.

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/stds-hit-record-high-us-gay-men-disproportionately-affected/#gs.RJkwxpA

and what does that have to do with Pride on saturday?

Mr. CooL ICE · 02-07-2018 03:21PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The STDs probably did up.

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/stds-hit-record-high-us-gay-men-disproportionately-affected/#gs.RJkwxpA

Mod: I thought the short holiday I gave you would have been enough of a cue to cop the fcuk on on your return. Obviously not.

Don't post in this thread again.

GarIT · 02-07-2018 05:18PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Were there a lot of problems on saturday with drunk people attending pride? i didnt hear of any trouble.

In 2015 or 2016 there were some streakers, some people in over the top kink gear for daytime in public and a gay male couple having sex on the street, but I haven't heard of anything since then, I've heard some people still complain about the trouble at it though as if it's Paddy's day 2.0 "Just another excuse for students to get drunk in the streets"

I do think some of the outfits are usually too much for somewhere young children can see but anytime I've said that I just get responded with the won't somebody think of the children meme. I just think some people should tone it down a bit.

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2018 05:30PM

GarIT wrote: »

In 2015 or 2016 there were some streakers, some people in over the top kink gear for daytime in public and a gay male couple having sex on the street, but I haven't heard of anything since then, I've heard some people still complain about the trouble at it though as if it's Paddy's day 2.0 "Just another excuse for students to get drunk in the streets"

I do think some of the outfits are usually too much for somewhere young children can see but anytime I've said that I just get responded with the won't somebody think of the children meme. I just think some people should tone it down a bit.

so the "some" you referred to were talking out of their ass?

GarIT wrote: »

Well I know some that wouldn't comment on it any other time of the year or take the attitude of "I don't care about it as long as I don't see it happening" but they get riled up on pride day because of the scummy few that get too drunk and cause all sorts of problems.

GarIT · 02-07-2018 05:33PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so the "some" you referred to were talking out of their ass?

Most likely, I don't know the reasons for it but anyone above the age of 25 I've talked to has a negative opinion of pride, potentially completely unfounded maybe not though. Haven't heard anyone complain about LGBT people, just pride.

Pawwed Rig · 02-07-2018 10:13PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a conservative with a negative opinion of Pride? say it isn't so.

You can't get more conservative than FG and they have a gay leader and brought in gay marriage.

AllForIt · 02-07-2018 10:58PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I went to Pride in the end and really enjoyed it. One of our friends works in a company taking part in the parade and so we ended up going to a pre-march event and we walked in it as well. I could see the concern about the over-commercialisation of the event by so many corporations trying to get in on the act for kudos but the positive vibes on the street were really fantastic to see. People out on the street enjoying themselves without the messiness you'd see during the likes of Paddy's Day was great.

Thanks for this remark which to my mind is an accurate description of the general event as I have experienced in the past rather than focusing on the some of the more isolated incidents which one will always see when large crowds of ppl descend on the streets for what is essentially a street party like St. Particks Day.

03-07-2018 12:06AM

GarIT wrote: »

Most likely, I don't know the reasons for it but anyone above the age of 25 I've talked to has a negative opinion of pride, potentially completely unfounded maybe not though. Haven't heard anyone complain about LGBT people, just pride.

There is a general sense that Pride brings out too many aggressive attitudes. Oh, it's all fun and games, but there's almost a harshness to it. Previously, Pride was much "nicer" and it was purely an expression for people who had been denied the chance to express themselves. Now, though, it's become something a lot more. It's very much in your face, whereas before there was the feeling that encouraged people to attend rather than being forced on them.

I know that this thread has referred to the businesses who have jumped onto the parade, but there's an element of Gay people who are also ruining it. For myself, and others I know (who are gay), who used to regularly attend Pride events, it's just not very nice or positive anymore.

Not sure if I'm explaining it properly. I'd guess that Pride has lost it's innocence, and isn't terribly attractive anymore. Not a criticism of LGBT people themselves...

Nermal · 03-07-2018 12:09AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You can't get more conservative than FG and they have a gay leader and brought in gay marriage.

The leadership of FG are neoliberal, not conservative.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure if I'm explaining it properly.

You are. It used to be a counter-cultural event, and not it's not. Is there a point to having a march when you've won?

JupiterKid · 03-07-2018 03:43AM

There is still an awful lot of strong homophobia around in this country, just look at the violent attack on the gay couple in Portlaoise. So IMO Pride is still needed. I do think Pride has become very commercialized but remember it started out as a protest against widespread societal homophobia after the Stonewall riots against anti gay police brutality in New York in 1969. In Ireland, the first Pride March in 1983 was a protest against the incredibly lenient sentencing given to the four men who murdered gay man Declan Flynn in Fairview the previous year.

And it’s obvious that homophobia and just general ignorance of LGBT people and issues is clear from many posts on this very thread. If you don’t like Pride, or think it’s perverted and obscene or in your face, then don’t participate or watch it. No-one is forcing you to.

If you think Dublin Pride is “in your face”; you have obviously never seen or heard of the Folsom Street Fairs in San Francisco and Berlin. Now they ARE “way out there.”

So what if there are a few drag queens, guys in speedos and leathermen? They are very much the small minority in the parade and the vast majority of participants are pretty ordinary people who just happen to be LGBT. Actually I think a lot of participants in pride are straight young women with gay friends.

And I think it’s lovely to see two lads or two girls walking hand in hand in the streets - straight people do this every day without any issues.

03-07-2018 07:39AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

There is still an awful lot of strong homophobia around in this country, just look at the violent attack on the gay couple in Portlaoise.

I'm really getting tired of this association, and paranoia about homophobia in Ireland.

The attack in Portlaoise was on a gay couple, but there is no evidence to support it being because they were gay. The Gardai are not treating it as a hate crime. They could just as easily been attacked because they were foreigners, or had behaved badly themselves with the attackers previously. The simple fact is that we don't know, and you're jumping to conclusions to push an agenda.

Instead, a variety of posters here are trying to link it, as being a hate crime, and suggesting a state of homophobia in Ireland. Now. Prove to me that there is widespread homophobia in Ireland. And no, a brick thrown at the George isn't close to being enough.

And it’s obvious that homophobia and just general ignorance of LGBT people and issues is clear from many posts on this very thread. If you don’t like Pride, or think it’s perverted and obscene or in your face, then don’t participate or watch it. No-one is forcing you to.

And it's obvious that you want the term homophobia to include far more than the term originally described. AH is an open forum and you're going to get nutty posts, it goes with the territory, but to base the reactions here as justification to describe the rest of Ireland, is nuttier.

If you think Dublin Pride is “in your face”; you have obviously never seen or heard of the Folsom Street Fairs in San Francisco and Berlin. Now they ARE “way out there.”

You could have just quoted me.. :rolleyes:

And I have been to the Berlin parade. Amsterdam is far more 'extreme'. But it's obvious that you really didn't consider what I said, and just jumped on it as a criticism... you do realise that I can comment negatively on the parade without it being a negative comment about the LGBT 'community'?

]So what if there are a few drag queens, guys in speedos and leathermen? They are very much the small minority in the parade and the vast majority of participants are pretty ordinary people who just happen to be LGBT. Actually I think a lot of participants in pride are straight young women with gay friends.

And I think it’s lovely to see two lads or two girls walking hand in hand in the streets - straight people do this every day without any issues.

No issue with that at all. Don't have any issues with "the drag queens, guys in speedos and leathermen" either.

Billy86 · 03-07-2018 09:43AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You can't get more conservative than FG and they have a gay leader and brought in gay marriage.

I'm pretty sure you can get more conservative than being the government to oversee the dropping of the 8th, same sex marriage and potential cannabis decriminalisation all in a short few years, actually. I would argue FF would be more conservative, but generally we just seem to and have turned our backs on conservatism as a nation for the most part.

Pawwed Rig · 03-07-2018 09:59AM

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can get more conservative than being the government to oversee the dropping of the 8th, same sex marriage and potential cannabis decriminalisation all in a short few years, actually. I would argue FF would be more conservative, but generally we just seem to and have turned our backs on conservatism as a nation for the most part.

FF are whatever way the wind is blowing on a particular day. FG for the most part represent catholic middle Ireland which are traditionally the most conservative section of society.

ELM327 · 03-07-2018 10:06AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

FF are whatever way the wind is blowing on a particular day. FG for the most part represent catholic middle Ireland which are traditionally the most conservative section of society.

Agreed.

But it's interesting to see conservative catholic middle ireland represented by a gay indian, and indicative of our progression as a society IMO

kunst nugget · 03-07-2018 10:13AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

FF are whatever way the wind is blowing on a particular day. FG for the most part represent catholic middle Ireland which are traditionally the most conservative section of society.

I don't think that's strictly true. Fine Gael has always been a party of two halves that's contained a liberal wing going back to the 70s and Garrett Fitzgerald. Fianna Fail have always been the party of the working class Catholic vote who I'd argue were traditionally the more conservative element in our society.

03-07-2018 10:21AM

Guys, voters and supporters can be conservative on a variety of issues, and be 'progressive' on others. My father is a staunch FF supporter, but he welcomed SSM and other changes as an indication that Ireland was leaving the negative aspects of our past behind and moving forward. Whereas my grandfather who was also FF, would have been against any such change.. the word conservative isn't quite the same as it used to be. [I'd be considered non-political]

Mongfinder General · 03-07-2018 11:00AM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

FF are whatever way the wind is blowing on a particular day. FG for the most part represent catholic middle Ireland which are traditionally the most conservative section of society.

I would have agreed with that until about 18 months ago. FG have moved to the centre and are heading left.

Billy86 · 03-07-2018 11:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guys, voters and supporters can be conservative on a variety of issues, and be 'progressive' on others. My father is a staunch FF supporter, but he welcomed SSM and other changes as an indication that Ireland was leaving the negative aspects of our past behind and moving forward. Whereas my grandfather who was also FF, would have been against any such change.. the word conservative isn't quite the same as it used to be. [I'd be considered non-political]

I reckon in part this has to do with being such a small country geographically. It's a lot harder for 'true divides' to really emerge in parties or constituencies when I, currently sat in Dublin, if I left work right now could make it to just about anywhere in the country in time for a late lunch. It's something to be very grateful too, looking at the utter state of some other countries right now.

Annasopra · 03-07-2018 12:05PM

GarIT wrote: »

Most likely, I don't know the reasons for it but anyone above the age of 25 I've talked to has a negative opinion of pride, potentially completely unfounded maybe not though. Haven't heard anyone complain about LGBT people, just pride.

Ah I think its just the people you mix with tbh

Annasopra · 03-07-2018 12:09PM

Nermal wrote: »

The leadership of FG are neoliberal, not conservative.

You are. It used to be a counter-cultural event, and not it's not. Is there a point to having a march when you've won?

I don't really agree. I think its extremely mixed between corporate and counter cultural and represents the huge diversity of lgbt people.

Annasopra · 03-07-2018 12:12PM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I would have agreed with that until about 18 months ago. FG have moved to the centre and are heading left.

Socially yes but certainly not economically where they are heading rightwards. The extreme mantra of "market will solve all" on housing being a prime example.

Mongfinder General · 03-07-2018 04:22PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Socially yes but certainly not economically where they are heading rightwards. The extreme mantra of "market will solve all" on housing being a prime example.

Welfare payments are up. Housing assistance payment up. Tax rates are unchanged for the most part - Mickey Mouse decreases in usc are eaten up by stealth taxes such as sugar tax and the soon to increase property tax. 2/3 if the states budget is eaten up by health service and welfare/social security. A conservative right wing government would have changed this.

JupiterKid · 03-07-2018 06:03PM

I never claimed that there was "widespread" homophobia in Ireland. This is not Russia but I did say there was an awful lot of it still about which I stand over and this will continue to be the case for a very long time - unfortunate and I realise that but that doesn't mean that I should tolerate that kind of crap. It's easy for straight people who have never had to put up with prejudice, bigotry and hatred/verbal/physical violence on account of who they are attracted to and love to think that LGBT people have got more than enough rights at this stage. Utterly condescending and ignorant position to have.

It seems to me with some posters here that the LGBT Pride and those enjoying it mean things have gone more than far enough and how dare the gays continue to assert themselves? Haven't they got enough now?

Well no actually...until same sex couples can freely walk around every city and town in this country holding each others hands and express affection without fear of being abused or attacked then true equality will not be reached. We've come a huge way but there is still a way to go yet.

The saying "walk a mile in my shoes" is very apt here. And I also just get the impression that some posters just don't like to see others enjoying and expressing themselves because of their own issues.

batgoat · 03-07-2018 06:17PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah I think its just the people you mix with tbh

I'm over 25, my friends are 30s to 40s, I know loads who tend to enjoy watching parade. Some bring their kids, only people I know who tend to have problems with it are people who have general problems with gay people... It creates a lovely atmosphere in city and I'd tend to be much less nervous walking around Dublin during Pride than Paddy's day.

Pawwed Rig · 03-07-2018 06:57PM

batgoat wrote: »

I'm over 25, my friends are 30s to 40s, I know loads who tend to enjoy watching parade. Some bring their kids, only people I know who tend to have problems with it are people who have general problems with gay people... It creates a lovely atmosphere in city and I'd tend to be much less nervous walking around Dublin during Pride than Paddy's day.

Agreed. I missed this year but usually head upto Merrion Square with wife and kids. Never saw anything objectionable either.

wakka12 · 03-07-2018 06:57PM

GarIT wrote: »

Most likely, I don't know the reasons for it but anyone above the age of 25 I've talked to has a negative opinion of pride, potentially completely unfounded maybe not though. Haven't heard anyone complain about LGBT people, just pride.

I really doubt that..did you go to pride saturday? It was a really nice event..there wasn't even alcohol allowed in the smithfield square event, it was heavily policed all over, lots of families and middle aged people and a big mix of people all over, didnt see any antisocial behaviour or anyone dressed sexually suggestively or anything like that, lots of tourists, it was a lovely day really, that was the first time I spent the whole day at dublin pride and I don't see any valid reason to criticise it. It got a bit crazy and loud at nighttime but thats hardly surprising and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as st patricks day in that regard with teenagers vomiting everywhere

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