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Households To Produce Receipts For Waste Or Face Fines

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  • #202
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I can't actually see a massive drop in illegal dumping because of this. People will essentially get a receipt from the local amenity center and say they are very environmentally friendly and don't produce much rubbish.
    Sure. But if someone produces (say) two a month, and decides to dump one and pay for the other, then you've reduced their fly-tipping by 50%. Success!
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I lawfully dispose of waste. That's it I'm done with it. It should not be on me to keep track of who I've done it with , where I've done it and maintain proof of it.
    If that's your issue, then you'll be amazed at what kind of records Revenue can demand of you if they feel like it :)
    Seriously - it's like saying, "I pay my tax, that's it, I'm done with it. It should not be on me to keep track of what I earned, when I earned it and maintain proof of it".


  • #203
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    seamus wrote: »
    Sure. But if someone produces (say) two a month, and decides to dump one and pay for the other, then you've reduced their fly-tipping by 50%. Success!

    .

    I know people who visit civic amenity sites and would only go about twice a year and get receipts because they would barely generate a wheel bin of rubbish every six months.
    Fly tippers will say they are like this and continue to dump on a weekly basis and just get the odd receipt!


  • #204
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Fly tippers will say they are like this and continue to dump on a weekly basis and just get the odd receipt!
    Nobody's saying it will fix the problem completely, any reduction at all would be a positive.


  • #205
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Nobody's saying it will fix the problem completely, any reduction at all would be a positive.

    The thing is I can't guarantee we'll see a massive reduction in it.
    If people cop on that they could get away with a trip to the civic amenity center one or twice a year and just say they reuse things/don't buy a lot of packaging. They might cut out the bin service and fly tip instead.


  • #206
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    If people cop on that they could get away with a trip to the civic amenity center one or twice a year and just say they reuse things/don't buy a lot of packaging. They might cut out the bin service and fly tip instead.
    If they don't do that now why would they start then? Nothing stopping them from 100% fly-tipping currently. I think it's a huge stretch to suggest it will increase illegal dumping.


  • #207
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,683 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    The bigger problem with fly tipping isnt really individuals that dump their waste illegally...its illegal collectors. Its closing in on the illegal collectors, who are a bigger problem as regards illegal dumping, as much as sending a signal to individual householders.


  • #208
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you imagine this happening here? https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/pics-japan-team-leave-dressing-room-spotless-and-crying-fans-clean-stadium-following-defeat-852746.html


  • #209
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,103 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you imagine this happening here? https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/pics-japan-team-leave-dressing-room-spotless-and-crying-fans-clean-stadium-following-defeat-852746.html

    It would be rather annoying if this became the norm in stadiums/cinemas because the cleaners would get less hours!
    I know a guy and he used work in a cinema and they used always hope the screens would used have loads of rubbish left it in them.
    They used hate getting groups of kids from schools/clubs and the teacher used bring a bin bag.


  • #210
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The bigger problem with fly tipping isnt really individuals that dump their waste illegally...its illegal collectors. Its closing in on the illegal collectors, who are a bigger problem as regards illegal dumping, as much as sending a signal to individual householders.

    They're as bad, but its easier to catch the collectors.
    It's the guy pulling up and tossing two bin bags in the ditch that are impossible to catch


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  • #211
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,683 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    They're as bad, but its easier to catch the collectors.
    It's the guy pulling up and tossing two bin bags in the ditch that are impossible to catch

    It may always be impossible to catch that toe rag. But closing the gaps in enforcement will reduce the cost of cleaning up illegal dumps.

    Preventing an illegal collector might be the equivalent of catching 20 Joe Scumbags throwing his sh*t into a field.


  • #212
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    It may always be impossible to catch that toe rag. But closing the gaps in enforcement will reduce the cost of cleaning up illegal dumps.

    Preventing an illegal collector might be the equivalent of catching 20 Joe Scumbags throwing his sh*t into a field.

    True
    But you can set a trap for the man with the van.

    Where to start with the flytipping fcukers


  • #213
    LirW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    Can we also do something against these manky people that just throw poopnappies into their fireplaces and stink the whole area up?


  • #214
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,683 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    True
    But you can set a trap for the man with the van.

    Where to start with the flytipping fcukers

    It's not really a trap and it's an easy way to address fly tipping. Catching the individual flytipper is never going to be easy but that doesn't mean you don't come close off one of the other gaps.


  • #215
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    It's not really a trap and it's an easy way to address fly tipping. Catching the individual flytipper is never going to be easy but that doesn't mean you don't come close off one of the other gaps.

    Not sure are we not disagreeing? :)

    I'm saying we should do both


  • #216
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,683 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Not sure are we not disagreeing? :)

    I'm saying we should do both

    No YOU'RE wrong!

    :)

    Thought this measure was too long to get in order. I'm not sure how to tackle the individual flytippers tbh. It may be that you can't...that all you can do is make it more and more hassle for them to get away with it


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