Households To Produce Receipts For Waste Or Face Fines

waffleman

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/households-to-prove-they-are-disposing-of-rubbish-legally-or-face-2-500-fine-1.3550390

By laws coming in by the end of the year

So how many bins will you have to pay for to avoid being fined?

Will it be based on number of people living in the house?

Another badly thought out shambles

sexmag

I'd like to know the legalities under GDPR of being forced to produce documentation like this. There's bye laws but they only go so far. If you get a receipt for paying your bins in a local post office without your name is that enough.

I can see it being torn apart by an experienced gdpr solicitor

_Kaiser_

I live by myself and generally eat in work during the week. As such I generate maybe 1 standard bin bag of rubbish every fortnight.

There's 2 local bin companies, neither of which charge solely per lift. There's a twice annual charge plus lift fee with one or the other works out at about 30 quid a month regardless.

Why would I pay that sort of money for 2 bags of rubbish each month? Instead I load them into the car and dispose of them in one of those big yellow compactor bins they have dotted around petrol stations outside Dublin. Costs me 8 quid for both bags.

I accept that illegal dumping is an issue but I think that's more because of the already extortionate charges by private bin companies.

This latest measure is yet another scam cash extraction by FG in a scenario where each area is controlled by small numbers of bin companies and so can set whatever pricing they like. All under the guise of protecting the environment of course :rolleyes:

Ludo

hmmmm...I collect the tiny amount of rubbish my mother generates every week and put it in my bin so she has no bin at all. Her next door neighbours son does it for her also. I'm sure there are plenty like this. I'm sure it won't be a problem though as they will only come looking for proof if there is a good reason to.

Fr_Dougal

sexmag wrote: »

I'd like to know the legalities under GDPR of being forced to produce documentation like this. There's bye laws but they only go so far. If you get a receipt for paying your bins in a local post office without your name is that enough.

I can see it being torn apart by an experienced gdpr solicitor

You have to produce your own receipts, won’t affect GDPR.

GDPR would only come into play if they were requesting the receipts directly from your bin company etc.

Roger Hassenforder

GDPR (section 55 DPA 2018) wont offer a whole lot of protection for you in the investigation of offences by authorized data officers.

I think at one stage recently ~20% of the Dublin population were not customers of any refuse service.

Wheeliebin30

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I live by myself and generally eat in work during the week. As such I generate maybe 1 standard bin bag of rubbish every fortnight.

There's 2 local bin companies, neither of which charge solely per lift. There's a twice annual charge plus lift fee with one or the other works out at about 30 quid a month regardless.

Why would I pay that sort of money for 2 bags of rubbish each month? Instead I load them into the car and dispose of them in one of those big yellow compactor bins they have dotted around petrol stations outside Dublin. Costs me 8 quid for both bags.

I accept that illegal dumping is an issue but I think that's more because of the already extortionate charges by private bin companies.

This latest measure is yet another scam cash extraction by FG in a scenario where each area is controlled by small numbers of bin companies and so can set whatever pricing they like. All under the guise of protecting the environment of course :rolleyes:

Every post of yours is just a dig at FG, very single one!!!

It’s freaky how obsessed you are.

You know FG don’t decide and come up with every measure or rule or idea?

All parties raise issues and call for things to be implemented.

Malayalam

Thinly veiled 'we will soon have to put a micro-chip in all your bins' move. Smart cities are the future, you plebian doofuses. Or preferably in your body. You know, just to be sure, to be sure.

Malayalam

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Every post of yours is just a dig at FG, very single one!!!

It’s freaky how obsessed you are.

You know FG don’t decide and come up with every measure or rule or idea?

All parties raise issues and call for things to be implemented.

Suspicious user name is suspicious in this case

Mikenesson

They type of people they'll be prosecuting won't pay anyway

waffleman

Ludo wrote: »

hmmmm...I collect the tiny amount of rubbish my mother generates every week and put it in my bin so she has no bin at all. Her next door neighbours son does it for her also. I'm sure there are plenty like this. I'm sure it won't be a problem though as they will only come looking for proof if there is a good reason to.

well this is the issue - are they gona force everyone to sign up to a waste collection company or are they gona look for proof only in certain circumstances? E.g. a complaint about rats or hoarded rubbish

Graces7

We don't have bins and nor do many deep rural places. At the last place, we bought special bags and left them at set points on set days.

Separate bags for separate things

And used the bottle banks etc

James Bond Junior

Graces7 wrote: »

We don't have bins and nor do many deep rural places. At the last place, we bought special bags and left them at set points on set days.

Separate bags for separate things

And used the bottle banks etc

I'm sure you will get a reciept for the special bags. I know we do in deepest Kerry for our holiday home. No big deal.

Graces7

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I'm sure you will get a reciept for the special bags. I know we do in deepest Kerry for our holiday home. No big deal.

And for the bring banks?

Whole idea is ***********

Fine for towns etc where they have collections etc...

Like many here I have almost no waste.

_Kaiser_

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Every post of yours is just a dig at FG, very single one!!!

It’s freaky how obsessed you are.

You know FG don’t decide and come up with every measure or rule or idea?

All parties raise issues and call for things to be implemented.

And every post of yours is defending them Wheelie.. Regular viewers will know that too.

But in this case, FG's love of privitising core services, plus being in power at the moment, plus a budget coming up, and potentially an election in the next few months if reports in the IT yesterday are accurate all feed into this.

It could just be kite flying, but regardless it's another cynical way of extracting still more money from people. That certainly is the FG way.

sexmag

Graces7 wrote: »

And for the bring banks?

Whole idea is ***********

Fine for towns etc where they have collections etc...

Like many here I have almost no waste.

I know many people who have little to no waster, they recycle most things, use composters and intenionally buy things that they wont have to bin.

I think this will be for mainly for areas where dumping is prominant and only in cases of complaints

listermint

I'm sorry lads but none of yous must live beside literally any picturesque area in the country where scumbags continually fly tip. It's a weekly occurrence no matter how much it's cleaned some gob****es comes along and throws an old bath out or a solitary TV or the usually garden waste mixed with yesterday's TV dinner wrapping.

If people have to produce receipts then so be it. Everyone produces waste everyone so everyone has traceability that can be receipts or a monthly invoice or like some in here a friendly assistance of parents it's all still traceable.

Fann Linn

I know plenty who sign up by pay by lift and after a few weeks/months just don't bother and bins are never collected. Plus what about all those halting sites and finally, what about the penalties. Fines are only attached if the person is working. If on SW or in receipt of pensions you get a half a day in Mountjoy for non payment.

If they thought this through they could have attached the bin collection to the property tax plus LA tenancy agreements.

The property tax has something like over 97% compliance because it can't be avoided so asking for a receipt of how a household paid for their household waste along with the property tax would work very well.

There are people who sneak their household waste into work to put it in a work skip.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I live by myself and generally eat in work during the week. As such I generate maybe 1 standard bin bag of rubbish every fortnight.

There's 2 local bin companies, neither of which charge solely per lift. There's a twice annual charge plus lift fee with one or the other works out at about 30 quid a month regardless.

Why would I pay that sort of money for 2 bags of rubbish each month? Instead I load them into the car and dispose of them in one of those big yellow compactor bins they have dotted around petrol stations outside Dublin. Costs me 8 quid for both bags.

I accept that illegal dumping is an issue but I think that's more because of the already extortionate charges by private bin companies.

This latest measure is yet another scam cash extraction by FG in a scenario where each area is controlled by small numbers of bin companies and so can set whatever pricing they like. All under the guise of protecting the environment of course :rolleyes:

There are many like you. Just keep your receipts and you’re grand.

seamus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Instead I load them into the car and dispose of them in one of those big yellow compactor bins they have dotted around petrol stations outside Dublin. Costs me 8 quid for both bags.

So keep the receipts.

What's the problem?

I see no issue with this whatsoever.

I love how you call this out as a cash grab by FG but provide no indication whatsoever of how the government makes money from this.

Outlaw Pete

Everything is recyclable these days. Take photos of your bags before each trip to a centre.

Fann Linn

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Everything is recyclable these days. Take photos of your bags before each trip to a centre.

Everything isn't. Nappies, certain plastics, ashes, tin foil....

ednwireland

ridiculous decisionas far as i can see the waste companies are desperate to get everyone on a contract which i my case because of the standing charge would double my yearly collection costs because i currently just tag the bin when it goes out , guess ill have to get a receipt for the tags form the shop and stick t in a folder.
i have bins and they a re collected by a licensed waste contractor , im sure the figures dont take tag sales into account, housholds like mine are asumed not a use a waste collection service.

TheChizler

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Everything is recyclable these days. Take photos of your bags before each trip to a centre.

Soft plastic is no longer accepted for recycling here which now makes up 90% of my landfill waste; if you're recycling everything you're either incredibly disciplined when you do the shopping, or contaminating your recycling bin unfortunately.

Rhyme

We have no bins at home, everything we buy is recyclable and dropped off every 2-3 weeks in the recycling centre in Swords. If we were to get a letter in the door, in return they'd get a photo of the bins we keep in our shed (paper, card, hard plastic, tetra pak, tins, other metals etc).

I can see the point though, fly-tipping and littering are disgusting acts and should be punished severely. They represent a complete lack of civic pride, a selfishness that doesn't belong in society.

tobsey

Rhyme wrote: »

We have no bins at home, everything we buy is recyclable and dropped off every 2-3 weeks in the recycling centre in Swords. If we were to get a letter in the door, in return they'd get a photo of the bins we keep in our shed (paper, card, hard plastic, tetra pak, tins, other metals etc).

I can see the point though, fly-tipping and littering are disgusting acts and should be punished severely. They represent a complete lack of civic pride, a selfishness that doesn't belong in society.

What about food waste?

kneemos

Looks simple. You prove you're disposing your waste properly or get fined.
Long overdue,***** destroying the country with their shoite.

seamus

tobsey wrote: »

What about food waste?

Food waste you can compost yourself. The LA has the right to inspect your bins and composter to make sure that you're disposing of it correctly.

How can everything you buy be recyclable though Rhyme? I can understand actively avoiding stuff that's not, but sometimes you'll end up with some soft plastic wrapping on something.

Fr_Dougal

mariaalice wrote: »

The property tax has something like over 97% compliance because it can't be avoided so asking for a receipt of how a household paid for their household waste along with the property tax would work very well.

There are people who sneak their household waste into work to put it in a work skip.

You’re forgetting that renters don’t pay property tax.

tobsey

tobsey wrote: »

What about food waste?

Composter, however, you need two composters to really make it work it is possible to nearly recycle everything you need a fair bit of outdoor space and a couple of bins a huge amount can be brought to a bring center for recycling.

The bottom line though is that it takes work, origination, and time and the vast majority are not going to do that when they can put the bin out for 30/40 euro a month.

Outlaw Pete

TheChizler wrote: »

Soft plastic is no longer accepted for recycling here which now makes up 90% of my landfill waste; if you're recycling everything you're either incredibly disciplined when you do the shopping, or contaminating your recycling bin unfortunately.

Soft plastics aren't taken at your recycling center?

And yes, I am incredibly disciplined, as everyone should be. Even use fruit and veg peelings as compost.

Graces7

sexmag wrote: »

I know many people who have little to no waster, they recycle most things, use composters and intenionally buy things that they wont have to bin.

I think this will be for mainly for areas where dumping is prominant and only in cases of complaints

Yes I was thinking that.

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You’re forgetting that renters don’t pay property tax.

Yes but the landlord can and should ask for receipts from the renters which the landlord, in turn, should send back with the property tax.

Graces7

Fann Linn wrote: »

Everything isn't. Nappies, certain plastics, ashes, tin foil....

Nappies are a whole separate matter.

Wheeliebin30

seamus wrote: »

So keep the receipts.

What's the problem?

I see no issue with this whatsoever.

I love how you call this out as a cash grab by FG but provide no indication whatsoever of how the government makes money from this.

Said poster blames FG for everything on every post.

The agenda is unreal.

Graces7

mariaalice wrote: »

Composter, however, you need two composters to really make it work it is possible to nearly recycle everything you need a fair bit of outdoor space and a couple of bins a huge amount can be brought to a bring center for recycling.

The bottom line though is that it takes work, origination, and time and the vast majority are not going to do that when they can put the bin out for 30/40 euro a month.

We were raised to that way. They need to teach it in schools as is is so vital to the future

OldMrBrennan83

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Wheeliebin30

Anyone see you pics of the beaches and the state they were left in.

This country needs a kick up the whole when it comes to litter and waste.

Some horrible selfish people out there who don’t give a **** about anything or anyone else.

seamus

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Said poster blames FG for everything on every post.

The agenda is unreal.

Also ignores the fact that these rules have been in place in the Sinn-Fein/Labour controlled DCC area for a number of years, as well as in other city/county councils.

The national legislation simply creates a consistent approach across all local authorities.

Fann Linn

Graces7 wrote: »

Nappies are a whole separate matter.

A waste, which is plentiful, and which is what this thread is about.

We can be very wasteful without thinking, took the kitchen sink basin into the shower with me because of the hosepipe ban I was amazed at the amount of water I got. Going to use it to water the roses.

Graces7

Rhyme wrote: »

We have no bins at home, everything we buy is recyclable and dropped off every 2-3 weeks in the recycling centre in Swords. If we were to get a letter in the door, in return they'd get a photo of the bins we keep in our shed (paper, card, hard plastic, tetra pak, tins, other metals etc).

I can see the point though, fly-tipping and littering are disgusting acts and should be punished severely. They represent a complete lack of civic pride, a selfishness that doesn't belong in society.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/illegal-dumping-kerry-beauty-spots-continues-double-bed-found-conor-pass/


Previously many bags of rubbish were tipped over the edge of the car park at the top there ; almost impossible to retrieve.

dudara

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Soft plastics aren't taken at your recycling center?.

The latest recycling guidelines have soft plastic going into general refuse. China is not taking our recycling anymore and we don’t have recycling facilities in country.

It’s a disgrace that we can’t recycle soft plastics here. I’m very conscious about recycling & having to put soft plastics in the general rubbish bin really annoys me.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/consumer-guide-to-what-s-recyclable-and-what-isn-t-in-household-recycling-bins-1.3425410

Our neighbors have a skip on the road the moment because of renovations that they are carrying out. Every morning there is some new bag of rubbish dumped in it. It honestly makes you wonder what is wrong with people.

tigerboon

If you walk or cycle on any country road, no matter how isolated, you'll see something thrown in the verge or hedge rows every few meters. Every entrance to forests, bogs etc will have a load of rubbish fly tipped. Look at the roads on a Sunday morning ....cans and chipper packaging everywhere. I have no problem with the proposal but as part of an overall waste management plan. Recycling of electronics and banning of excessive or needless packaging need to be looked at. High taxes on plastic packaging would change things a lot overnight.

Graces7

mariaalice wrote: »

We can be very wasteful without thinking, took the kitchen sink basin into the shower with me because of the hosepipe ban I was amazed at the amount of water I got. Going to use it to water the roses.

I used to use an old baby bath for that ...great idea

Fann Linn

mariaalice wrote: »

We can be very wasteful without thinking, took the kitchen sink basin into the shower with me because of the hosepipe ban I was amazed at the amount of water I got. Going to use it to water the roses.

Went golfing over the weekend. Sprinklers working perfectly keeping the greens moist, and that was after I passed the garden centre which also had its sprinkler system on.

Sometimes the hosepipe ban is directed at the wrong user.

Graces7

Fann Linn wrote: »

A waste, which is plentiful, and which is what this thread is about.

Exactly . so? Need to go back to proper nappies.

Fann Linn

Graces7 wrote: »

Exactly . so? Need to go back to proper nappies.

I agree. But it won't happen.

We're living in a throw away society.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Exactly . so? Need to go back to proper nappies.

No amount of waste saving is worth the torture that would be proper nappies, it will thankfully never happen. I still hear the older generations of my family talk about the absolute hardship of it to this day.

K.Flyer

mariaalice wrote: »

Yes but the landlord can and should ask for receipts from the renters which the landlord, in turn, should send back with the property tax.

Why should they, its not their responsibility.
Do they have to check if their tenants have a TV licence or their car is taxed, No they don't.