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Tour de France 2018 - General Thread

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    #92
    terrydel
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    death1234567 wrote: »
    Cycling is still miles cleaner than the world cup and everybody seems to be enjoying that.

    Prove that statement.


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    #93
    Grassey
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    That people are enjoying the worldcup? Could be difficult.


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    #94
    RobertKK
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    I use to respect Carlton Kirby but he is so blind when it suits him. If Froome is the greatest then there shouldn't be question marks over him.


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    #95
    terrydel
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    Grassey wrote: »
    That people are enjoying the worldcup? Could be difficult.

    No, that cycling is miles cleaner.
    Given the numbers watching the world cup, I think logic dictates that proving people are enjoying it wouldnt be overly difficult.


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    #96
    Lumen
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    Sprinter Sacre wrote: »
    <posts link to Kirby's twitter feed>

    This the crap being shovelled down people's throats
    I'm not totally au-fait with the Twitter thing, but surely you're making an active choice to follow him?

    So the person doing the shovelling is you...?


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    #97
    CramCycle
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    Its on TG4, better coverage IMO, sorted


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    #98
    Sprinter Sacre
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    Lumen wrote: »
    I'm not totally au-fait with the Twitter thing, but surely you're making an active choice to follow him?

    So the person doing the shovelling is you...?

    No I don't follow him on Twitter but he's the main voice on ES who have most of the Cycling, and even when someone not so biased tries to get a word in he forces his own agenda on them. What he says on Twitter only reinforces this. Take a drink any time he mentions "The Greatest" during the Tour and you'll have Russians raising their eyebrows at your state.


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    #99
    Macy0161
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    terrydel wrote: »
    No, that cycling is miles cleaner.
    Given the numbers watching the world cup, I think logic dictates that proving people are enjoying it wouldnt be overly difficult.
    Caught a BBC highlights show of the world cup and there commenting how many games had been decided late. Football fans can continue to bury their heads about blood doping/ pretending doping for endurance won't happen because its "a game of skill"... Don't test, won't find, and no media company prepared to kill their golden goose to go digging. Unless its the russian team.


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    #100
    Inquitus
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    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Caught a BBC highlights show of the world cup and there commenting how many games had been decided late. Football fans can continue to bury their heads about blood doping/ pretending doping for endurance won't happen because its "a game of skill"... Don't test, won't find, and no media company prepared to kill their golden goose to go digging. Unless its the russian team.

    Very true, you can have all the skill in the world, but if you can run 20km in a game doped and only 15km if you weren't, that is going to make you a much better player all told, same is true for tennis and any other sport that has its head firmly stuck in the sand!


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    #101
    Weepsie
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Very true, you can have all the skill in the world, but if you can run 20km in a game doped and only 15km if you weren't, that is going to make you a much better player all told, same is true for tennis and any other sport that has its head firmly stuck in the sand!

    Footballers generally run about 12 km max. And it's very stop start with loads of recovery time built in. the ball is in play only 2/3 of the time.. It's not head stuck in sand, it's just that the benefits to an individual footballer in a team game are far far lower than in cycling or athletics


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    #102
    Inquitus
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Footballers generally run about 12 km max. And it's very stop start with loads of recovery time built in. the ball is in play only 2/3 of the time.. It's not head stuck in sand, it's just that the benefits to an individual footballer in a team game are far far lower than in cycling or athletics

    Still tangible if you can run further in a match, for longer, or perhaps faster, you benefit. There's a reason half of Real Madrid's players had blood bags with Fuentes.


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    #103
    [Deleted User]
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    In other le Tour news, Wilco Kelderman is out following a crash in the nationals yesterday and Bouhanni was left out of the Cofidis squad.


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    #104
    Inquitus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In other le Tour news, Wilco Kelderman is out following a crash in the nationals yesterday and Bouhanni was left out of the Cofidis squad.

    Big loss for Sunweb and Dumoulin


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    #105
    Pa8301
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Big loss for Sunweb and Dumoulin

    You'd have to question Kelderman's bike handling skills. If my memory is correct he is constantly crashing!


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    #106
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    Pa8301 wrote: »
    You'd have to question Kelderman's bike handling skills. If my memory is correct he is constantly crashing!

    He's not long recovered from a crash at Tirreno-Adriatico, seems this crash bent the plate he had to repair his collar bone from that one.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kelderman-ruled-out-of-tour-de-france-with-shoulder-injury/


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    #107
    Miklos
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    Pa8301 wrote: »
    You'd have to question Kelderman's bike handling skills. If my memory is correct he is constantly crashing!

    Perhaps a bit unfair, his crash at the Giro last year was because a motorbike suddenly parked in front of him!


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    #108
    Pa8301
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    Miklos wrote: »
    Perhaps a bit unfair, his crash at the Giro last year was because a motorbike suddenly parked in front of him!

    I am perhaps being a bit unfair alright from the comfort of my armchair!


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    #109
    coco0981
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In other le Tour news, Wilco Kelderman is out following a crash in the nationals yesterday and Bouhanni was left out of the Cofidis squad.

    Bouhanni being left out isn't surprising after his antics at Route d'Occitanie


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    #110
    MPFGLB
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    coco0981 wrote: »
    Bouhanni being left out isn't surprising after his antics at Route d'Occitanie

    Bouhanni is the 'star' of Cofidis and paid big bucks
    He is required to perform esp at Frances biggest race

    So I guess that's him gone from that team soon..why pay hime if they dont take him to the Tour


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    #111
    coco0981
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    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Bouhanni is the 'star' of Cofidis and paid big bucks
    He is required to perform esp at Frances biggest race

    So I guess that's him gone from that team soon..why pay hime if they dont take him to the Tour

    Think Bouhanni is out of contract at the end of this year isn't he? Laporte seems to be well thought of there so Bouhannis results don't really merit the headache he brings


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    #112
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    If even half of what Carlton Kirby says about him on commentary is true I'd imagine his team mates won't be sorry to see that back of him.


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    #113
    coco0981
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    Also Caleb Ewan was left out by Michelton Scott. Seems to have been a casualty of 8 man squads


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    #114
    neris
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    Is say cofidis have a pain in their hole with bouhani. Thinks he's the bees knees but is really just an average sprinter who's ego is bigger then his capability


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    #115
    Brian?
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    Terrible route. Far too many mountain stages the aren’t mountain top finishes.

    Froome to win by 2.5 minutes.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #116
    neris
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Terrible route. Far too many mountain stages the aren’t mountain top finishes.

    Froome to win by 2.5 minutes.

    The grid start thing they have on 1 stage sounds like a complete **** up.


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    #117
    Dr. Bre
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    No idea if the cobbles will be exciting.. the year Froome crashed out it was carnage. Then the year after nothing much happened


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    #118
    [Deleted User]
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    neris wrote: »
    The grid start thing they have on 1 stage sounds like a complete **** up.

    Can't speak for the grid start but it looks to be a reworking of what the women rode in Le Course last year, granted it was a one day race but it was a pretty exciting one over a short 65 or so km.


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    #119
    Macy0161
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    Inquitus wrote:
    Still tangible if you can run further in a match, for longer, or perhaps faster, you benefit. There's a reason half of Real Madrid's players had blood bags with Fuentes.
    "He's a great engine"....

    Ignoring the fact that modern football tactics are far more based on physical fitness, it's also about being less fatigued so make better decisions/ keep concentration better. Saying it could have no impact also ignores the role of recovery, in a season long two game a week schedule.


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    #120
    Sprinter Sacre
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    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    No idea if the cobbles will be exciting.. the year Froome crashed out it was carnage. Then the year after nothing much happened

    Froome has learned his lesson. He'll put the hand out as the enforcer and force everyone to slow down and neutralise the race until the cobbles are passed.


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    #121
    RobertKK
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    I wish they would do away with all this crap of protecting the leader, when the leader of the race has a problem, it should be treated as a race and none of these crap made up rules by the riders where they wait for the leader.
    I know support this here, but it annoys me.


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