Clare GAA discussion thread

niallo27 · 01-07-2018 05:20PM

Last am I being bitter here saying the ref was very poor and gave a lot of 50 50s Corks way. He let the Nash puck the ball out while Clare were making a sub. He made Clare puck it out while Cleary had a head injury. Never let Clare any advantage.

opinionated3 · 01-07-2018 05:31PM

Ref certainly did no favours to Clare but IMO this game was lost by our management team yet again. They have had their chance, and are just very naive. Time for change I think, in time for next season. Conor cleary was atrocious today. Don't know how he lasted so long. We totally abandoned the tactics that served us so well in the first half. Credit is most certainly due to the cork team but we need to have a long look at ourselves. A massive Clare crowd turned up today but were left feeling the exact same as previous losses under this management team. Just not good enough

Gael85 · 01-07-2018 06:21PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Last am I being bitter here saying the ref was very poor and gave a lot of 50 50s Corks way. He let the Nash puck the ball out while Clare were making a sub. He made Clare puck it out while Cleary had a head injury. Never let Clare any advantage.

Clare lost shape around the middle. While referee wasn't the difference Cork defenders, Eoin Cadogan in particular doing a lad of pulling and dragging. Jack Browne was penalised for sitting on ball. Cork lad done same in second half but got free out. Horgan is some man to win frees ;)Cork definitely got majority of 50/50 calls.

irishfeen · 01-07-2018 06:35PM

Hardluck today lads and ladies from a Corkman, it was very close and it could have went anyway today. It’s still early days and this Championship for Clare - here’s hoping we meet for a 3rd time this year in the final!!

Ye have plenty left in ye this year and will take fair stopping on yer day.

deaddonkey15 · 01-07-2018 06:51PM

There seems to be a "bottler" mentality in Clare hurling teams for as long as I can remember. I thought maybe we had turned a corner after the victory over Tipp was followed up by a good win over Limerick but I can't help but feel that today can be added to the countless other games that we left behind us. 8 points up and cruising with about a minute of normal time to go in the first half and that lead was halved by time they reached the dressing room. We were trailing Cork a few minutes into the second half - Duggan missed a free and then had one blocked much further in shortly after, Podge missed a handy enough chance for a point, Nash hit a poor puckout straight to O'Donnell who decided to pass it back to him so he could try again. I thought the writing was on the wall when we allowed Cork score 1-1 before half time but these misses in the 2nd half really confirmed it. Once again we coughed up some easy points for Cork by trying to be too clever - Cleary played a nice ball out to Harnedy I think in the first half to send one over.

Despite doing so well in the first half, we seemed to just avoid sending balls in to Conlon in the 2nd half for some reason. We were well in to the 2nd half before we sent a puckout long that Conlon caught and then drew a foul from which Duggan scored. Why weren't we doing this more often? It was strange how little he was utilised in the 2nd half, I'd say Cork couldn't believe their luck.

What kills me is none of this really surprises me. In fact once we went 8 points up I said to my friend who I watched the game with that it will be very annoying when they eventually blow it. I recalled watching Clare blow an 8 point 2nd half lead in a championship game against Cork down in France in 2008 - 10 years later and apart from 2013 little has changed.

I really struggle to see what Malone brings to this side. His only major contributions that I recall today were missing a decent chance in the first half, sending an over hit pass into O'Donnell (nowhere near him really), tapping the ball out for a sideline that Fitzgibbon was bringing up the pitch, and giving a way a free from which Cork scored. I was glad to see him go off.

Having said all that, I've confident that we can beat Wexford. We put up a good score today, and I don't think Wexford are quite as good as they were last year or the year before. They'll be well fired up for it though.

windy shepard henderson · 01-07-2018 07:26PM

cant fault anyone really today , seriously hot conditions ,we put everything into our first half performance , the luke meade goal was a killer just before the break , in the second half john myler got his match ups spot on , he is a top class manager in my book and he got it right at half time

our performance had to drop in the second we had to run out of steam at some stage , maybe had we brought on david fitz , ian galvin and mcarthy earlier then when we did we would have been more effective , did not agree with leaving mcgrath on the 40 and bringing on darragh corry , conlon was getting beat by his man yes but young corry has very little experience at this level we should have just stuck mcgrath in beside conlon as a second option in my opinion

at the back we did ok , worked hard all day but still very naive for 2 of the 3 goals , not trying to promote cynical hurling bet both goal scorers should have been taken down to prevent the goal chance , cork defender cahalane ( i think)
in the first half picked up a yellow in a similar instance when we had a goal chance,

i would have even preferred to go in at half time a man down and 7 points up then 4 points up with the momentum in corks favor . cork are a fine team and real all ireland contenders we probably are not that far behind them but given there good second half performance the team won on the day

Reputable Rog · 01-07-2018 07:32PM

The second half is a mystery to me. I don't know why Reidy got pulled and I also don't know why McCarthy in particular wasn't introduced earlier.
Conlon deserved more ball in the second half as well.
I think Ian Galvin and Jason McCarthy in particular should be seeing a lot more game time.

corks finest · 01-07-2018 07:32PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

cant fault anyone really today , seriously hot conditions ,we put everything into our first half performance , the luke meade goal was a killer just before the break , in the second half john myler got his match ups spot on , he is a top class manager in my book and he got it right at half time

our performance had to drop in the second we had to run out of steam at some stage , maybe had we brought on david fitz , ian galvin and mcarthy earlier then when we did we would have been more effective , did not agree with leaving mcgrath on the 40 and bringing on darragh corry , conlon was getting beat by his man yes but young corry has very little experience at this level we should have just stuck mcgrath in beside conlon as a second option in my opinion

at the back we did ok , worked hard all day but still very naive for 2 of the 3 goals , not trying to promote cynical hurling bet both goal scorers should have been taken down to prevent the goal chance , cork defender cahalane ( i think)
in the first half picked up a yellow in a similar instance when we had a goal chance,

i would have even preferred to go in at half time a man down and 7 points up then 4 points up with the momentum in corks favor . cork are a fine team and real all ireland contenders we probably are not that far behind them but given there good second half performance the team won on the day

Clare frightened the life out of me, watching it in portmagee ,Kerry, surrounded by whures rooting for ye, thought ye had us away in the first half,until that vital cork goal,too bloody close, unlucky Clare

corks finest · 01-07-2018 07:34PM

jackboy wrote: »

What could be done from the sideline though? Energy levels were shot after the efforts in the first twenty minutes. Can't sustain that on a warm today.

Tough going,cork were there often enough,be back again soon

corks finest · 01-07-2018 07:35PM

The White Feather wrote: »

I would agree with that too but as a Cork supporter when I saw Shane O'Donnell taken off I breathed a sigh of relief. He either scores or creates goals for others. I think taking him off was a mistake unless he was injured of course

Exactly what I felt,what a boy for getting goals,big mistake replacing him

corks finest · 01-07-2018 07:37PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Last am I being bitter here saying the ref was very poor and gave a lot of 50 50s Corks way. He let the Nash puck the ball out while Clare were making a sub. He made Clare puck it out while Cleary had a head injury. Never let Clare any advantage.

Ah now?

GeordieRebel · 01-07-2018 07:44PM

Must admit as a Cork man, it was Conlon who was doing the damage for Clare and as others have said, why ye didn't isolate him in the corner in the second half and bang most of the puck outs on him was a mystery. Duggan was used that way in the second half and while he was good, he's nowhere near as dynamic as Conlon when he gets the ball in his hand.

I do remember just before Reidy got taken off Cahalane swiped away a couple of balls from him that should've favoured Reidy so maybe that was in your management's head?

Must admit I was cautiously optimistic at half time as I felt we had another gear or two in us and that's kind of how it played out. I think your forwards tired quite quickly and allowed good ball into our forward line, and when that happened, your backs were in trouble.

Akrasia · 01-07-2018 08:00PM

Not blaming the ref, but with a few minutes left in the game, podge got a blatant push in the back which wasn't given as a free, cork scored in the aftermath. 2 point swing. Difference between a heroic draw and a long drive home

Clareman · 01-07-2018 08:53PM

Just back from the game and I haven't watched it but I feel that we are stuck with the same problems.

Conor Cleary is NOT a centre back and we don't have a plan b. He was totally exposed a few times today and it's clear that for a team to play against Clare all they have to do it don't play a centre forward, Cleary doesn't know what to do, at times today he was just wandering around aimlessly.
Tony Kelly doesn't have a position. In the first half Cork man marked Kelly and when he went out to midfield it allowed Conlon space which meant he was allowed to play, in the second half Cork pretty much ignored Kelly and kept a centre back in front of Conlon which meant Conlon wasn't seen in the second half. Kelly setup a goal brilliantly but he was going around aimlessly not picking up a man for a lot of the second half.
Shane O'Donnell is a busted flush, I've been listening to so much about how he's a worker/being fouled/finisher, a few times today he took the wrong option when going for the ball, he was late to react to a ball being played into him and when Nash pucked the ball straight out to him he just gave the ball straight back to Nash, he should be dropped.
Our midfield are both terrible strikers and passers of the ball, how many wides/sidelines did they concede??
Our management are naive. The warm up our team did before the game was lunacy, high intensity running while Cork were just stretching was madness, no wonder Cork finished the half the better. SoD should have been pulled as soon as he mi**** the ball to Nash. Cleary should have been pulled. Kelly should have been told to either go back or forward, not walk around aimlessly. Making a substitution on the opposition puck out is stupid, taking the man off the far side of the pitch while leaving the Cork man unmarked is even worse. What they did at the start of the second half was f**king terrible, 1 of the hottest days of the year and they put their team out early so they waited for Cork to come out, no wonder Cork hit the ground running.

opinionated3 · 01-07-2018 10:24PM

I've been saying it for months..... Malone should be nowhere near this panel. He struggles to even get on the Smb team ffs

windy shepard henderson · 01-07-2018 10:24PM

Clareman wrote: »

Our management are naive. The warm up our team did before the game was lunacy, high intensity running while Cork were just stretching was madness, no f**king terrible, 1 of the hottest days of the year and they put their team out early so they waited for Cork to come out, no wonder Cork hit the ground running.

would you believe the same thing happened up in armagh yesterday , geezer had his side do nothing but stretches and shots on goal for 20 mins before throw in while we ran the crap out of ourselves the same today , there is still a niceness about this team too we need to learn how to break another teams momentum when they get on top of us like kilkenny and tipp usually do

the result should not be seen as a disaster e lost by the bare 2 points in a game played at a fairly high level especially pace wise , but we are naive in our approach , the last manager was one dimensional this management are almost too nice

in clearys defense along with malone they are good grafters but neither have great style , when they make a mistake they usually get shot down , where as say shane o donnell or kelly avoid criticism when they have bad days out , cleary was fine at full back i cant understand why they made that change

opinionated3 · 01-07-2018 10:28PM

Cleary is too slow and cannot read the game. Malone is just not inter county standard. End of. It's time to stop being nicey nice as a county. Look at the cats today.. .. Written off by journalists and the public in general. But they draw on the fact that they are KILKENNY! No inferiority complex. Our lads are just as skillful as any other team in this championship.... Buy we look the weakest mentally..

windy shepard henderson · 01-07-2018 11:00PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Cleary is too slow and cannot read the game. Malone is just not inter county standard. End of. It's time to stop being nicey nice as a county. Look at the cats today.. .. Written off by journalists and the public in general. But they draw on the fact that they are KILKENNY! No inferiority complex. Our lads are just as skillful as any other team in this championship.... Buy we look the weakest mentally..

Kilkenny have ofton had big grafters with limited skill also , we need Cleary and Malone for there size , we need there physicality , tony kelly and o donnell went missing several times today no one has said a word about that , the only use Cleary and Malone are there for is to free up Kelly and galvin in the middle which they did, its the likes of kelly that didn't preform today

Reputable Rog · 01-07-2018 11:07PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Cleary is too slow and cannot read the game. Malone is just not inter county standard. End of. It's time to stop being nicey nice as a county. Look at the cats today.. .. Written off by journalists and the public in general. But they draw on the fact that they are KILKENNY! No inferiority complex. Our lads are just as skillful as any other team in this championship.... Buy we look the weakest mentally..

Cork's confidence in their own badge is also a big factor for them.
I live in Cork and have to listen to their shot everyday but at least it permeates all parts of Cork society.
It's so bad I tend to hang out with Tipp and Waterford lads at work hoping for a Cork demise.

caddy16 · 01-07-2018 11:22PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Kilkenny have ofton had big grafters with limited skill also , we need Cleary and Malone for there size , we need there physicality , tony kelly and o donnell went missing several times today no one has said a word about that , the only use Cleary and Malone are there for is to free up Kelly and galvin in the middle which they did, its the likes of kelly that didn't preform today

What??? A centre back needs to dominate or hurl from 6. Not sure what your on about but we're clearly lacking in that regard

windy shepard henderson · 01-07-2018 11:23PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Cork's confidence in their own badge is also a big factor for them.
I live in Cork and have to listen to their shot everyday but at least it permeates all parts of Cork society.
It's so bad I tend to hang out with Tipp and Waterford lads at work hoping for a Cork demise.

look to be fair there a county with fair pedigree ,

1 radiohead uesd to support the frank and walters

2 cork city beat bayren munich european cup game in bishopstown also back in the early 90s thanks to dave barry

3 the home of the sultans of ping fc, jazz festivals above all Microdisney !!

if that dose not get the chest swelled and pulses racing nothing will:pac:

when it comes to hurling though ,they have a slight gear above us in terms of fitness and also a more accurate forward line in meade, horgan , harnedy and fitzgibbon who opperated in the half forward line in the second half ,dont thnk cork are arrogant just a confident bunch we need to learn though how to be that bullish about ourselves too on the field

windy shepard henderson · 01-07-2018 11:26PM

caddy16 wrote: »

What??? A centre back needs to dominate or hurl from 6. Not sure what your on about but we're clearly lacking in that regard

cleary was fine as a 3 , dont know why he was changed but we need his strength
david mc should be 6 , but i wouldnt drop cleary for his limitations on the ball he is not there for his ball work

Figerty · 02-07-2018 07:57AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

cleary was fine as a 3 , dont know why he was changed but we need his strength
david mc should be 6 , but i wouldnt drop cleary for his limitations on the ball he is not there for his ball work

Cork won the game in our half-forward line. They dominated in the second half, ran at Clare's midfield and worked it through. Centre back is very exposed with Mid-field (and the half-forward line) don't create a defense and force clearances.
I would like Cleary, and Shanahan and Morey to step forward with the ball put the ball behind the other full back and half back line. Instead we go backwards and rarely break a tackle, and rarely break the other teams mindset.

There needs to be a change at mid-field.

Keano · 02-07-2018 09:27AM

Most of you summed it up already but very disappointing second half yesterday. All the good wins this year mean nothing now.

Reputable Rog · 02-07-2018 10:00AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

look to be fair there a county with fair pedigree ,

2 cork city beat bayren munich european cup game in bishopstown also back in the early 90s thanks to dave barry
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No they didn't, they drew 1-1 at Musgrave Park in Ballyphehane, some 6 km from Bishopstown. Just sayin loike.

Clareman · 02-07-2018 10:21AM

I couldn't bring myself to watch the Sunday Game last night but in the second half the Cork backs adjusted and instead of playing from behind they were first to every ball and as we didn't have a half forward line they were able to burst through and pick out a man, out half forwards were terrible.

Meursault · 02-07-2018 01:53PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Cork's confidence in their own badge is also a big factor for them.
I live in Cork and have to listen to their shot everyday but at least it permeates all parts of Cork society.
It's so bad I tend to hang out with Tipp and Waterford lads at work hoping for a Cork demise.

I don't know where you work, but it sounds like you've got assh*les for work colleagues. Most of the "peoples republic" and "cork superiority complex" are nothing more than stereotypes. you might hear some of it around GAA championship days, but it is no way a daily occurance.

I assume you're just a bit p*ssed off with how things went yesterday and that's fair enough, but it gets tiresome having this sh*te perpetuated.

Anyway, Clare have a great chance of turning it around, and have as much chance as anyone else of going all the way.Even Galway looked fallable yesterday.

best of luck for the remainder of the championship.

Reputable Rog · 02-07-2018 02:29PM

Meursault wrote: »

I don't know where you work, but it sounds like you've got assh*les for work colleagues. Most of the "peoples republic" and "cork superiority complex" are nothing more than stereotypes. you might hear some of it around GAA championship days, but it is no way a daily occurance.

I assume you're just a bit p*ssed off with how things went yesterday and that's fair enough, but it gets tiresome having this sh*te perpetuated.

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Oh come on, its everywhere down here, right down to some people drinking Murphy's or Barrys Tea cos we're from Cork loike, despite the fact that its absolute muck.

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Meursault · 02-07-2018 02:36PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Oh come on, its everywhere down here, right down to some people drinking Murphy's or Barrys Tea cos we're from Cork loike, despite the fact that its absolute muck.

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Jes*s Rog, it looks like you need to reconsider where you are living. I'd worry about your sanity in the long term.

People drink Murphys and Beamish because they like it. Same for Barrys Tea. from what i understand, it is popular outside Cork too. Do you really think people would persist with this nonsense, if they actually didnt like these products. What nonsensical argument.

You seem to have a problem with people being proud of where they come from. Or least that is the case with you regarding Cork people anyway.

Look, I get it, you're pissed off today because you happen to live in a county that beat your own county in hurling. That makes the loss all the harder to take, so I'll put your feelings down to the monday blues.

If you really hate the place that much, then I seriously suggest you look at other options. I assume Galway, Limerick, Dublin, etc are other feasible options.

Anyway, this is way off topic. Apologies to all, and best of luck again to Clare.

pakie ed · 02-07-2018 07:15PM

Meursault wrote: »

Jes*s Rog, it looks like you need to reconsider where you are living. I'd worry about your sanity in the long term.

People drink Murphys and Beamish because they like it. Same for Barrys Tea. from what i understand, it is popular outside Cork too. Do you really think people would persist with this nonsense, if they actually didnt like these products. What nonsensical argument.

You seem to have a problem with people being proud of where they come from. Or least that is the case with you regarding Cork people anyway.

Look, I get it, you're pissed off today because you happen to live in a county that beat your own county in hurling. That makes the loss all the harder to take, so I'll put your feelings down to the monday blues.

If you really hate the place that much, then I seriously suggest you look at other options. I assume Galway, Limerick, Dublin, etc are other feasible options.

Anyway, this is way off topic. Apologies to all, and best of luck again to Clare.

You should try been a Cork Football supporter living near the kerry border. Never ending pain.

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