Gay Pride at work

DickSwiveller · 25-06-2018 02:19PM

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

I find it ironic that those that peddle diversity also want equality. Diverse inputs will cause inequitable results in any system.

It's because most people have no idea what they're talking about.

kunst nugget · 25-06-2018 02:22PM

What companies in Ireland actually stop you from referring to Christmas at, well... Christmas? Any names?

Lucena · 25-06-2018 03:13PM

doylefe wrote: »

Christmas is banned where I work. Must use the term "Holidays" and all imagery of winter snow or Christmas decorations are not allowed in inter company communications.

So I'd imagine it's all:

Twelve Pubs of Holidays
Holidays Day (25th December)
Holidays Pudding
Holidays Crackers

Ye must have great fun with all that!

keano_afc · 25-06-2018 03:38PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What companies in Ireland actually stop you from referring to Christmas at, well... Christmas? Any names?

I wouldnt say they actively stop it, but certainly in the case of where I work (a very large European multinational) it was very noticeable that last year was the first year that "Christmas" was very muted.

Our CEO, based on the continent, sends us out an email every year at Christmas time. Last year was the first time the email didnt contain the word Christmas. The generic "holidays" was used instead.

kunst nugget · 25-06-2018 03:40PM

keano_afc wrote: »

I wouldnt say they actively stop it, but certainly in the case of where I work (a very large European multinational) it was very noticeable that last year was the first year that "Christmas" was very muted.

Our CEO, based on the continent, sends us out an email every year at Christmas time. Last year was the first time the email didnt contain the word Christmas. The generic "holidays" was used instead.

But they don't stop you using the word 'Christmas'... I'd like to actually know the names of companies in Ireland that ban you from using the word Christmas as doyefe has said happens in his company.

ongarboy · 25-06-2018 03:57PM

We got a mail last week from our company to celebrate Pride. As a gay man, I couldn't help be a little cynical. While I applaud the gesture about what they were aiming for as regards openness, the right to dignity and respect and zero tolerance for homophobic behaviour etc, they listed out facts including one that said LGBT employees that were out to their colleagues are more productive than those who remain in the closet. So, is it down to the bottom dollar after all? The company gets more financial return if an employee is more productive....

As someone else said, there is also this bit of bandwagon jumping going on so that the company can appear socially progressive and "in touch" with their staff. Where were all these intiatives back in the 90s when they were far more needed and when homophobia was acceptable? It's like those mental health and wellbeing initiatives - they can tick all the boxes and win awards at those black tie annual corporate affairs for healthy mind, body and spirit engagement because they have breakfast mindfulness sessions and give out free apples once a month but then ignore the fact that their staff are stressed due to impossible workloads, late hours and weekend working, lack of empathy from management etc.

I also dispute this whole need to be out to acquaintances at work. Everyone who knows me personally outside of work knows that I'm gay but apart from some close work mates (team members and some colleagues I socialize with etc), most others in work wouldn't necessarily know I'm gay. Pardon my crudeness, but why would I need to tell Mary from Finance, whom I send month end reports to once a month and who I make pleasant chit chat with on those occasions, that I also like to suck ****? Why should acquaintances need to know about your sexual orientation? If someone displays homophobic behaviour or attitudes at work, I'll call it out and/or raise it with management/HR depending on how serious it got but I shouldn't have to declare my gayness to all and sundry to avoid such abuse. It should be a given!

mr_edge_to_you · 25-06-2018 06:21PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

OP - can you tell me what bank you work for because I'd like to open an account with them now that they're down with the gays.

Shytehawks

Gay IB ????

AllForIt · 25-06-2018 11:03PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

I dont thinking mixing politics and work is a good idea. Sure you can wear a small pride badge, but all this malarkey about "diversity" and "inclusivemess" and lanyards (WTF??) is OTT.

In fact I don't think it is gay people driving this, but more virtue signalling right on PC hetero types who want to be seen to be "inclusive." A lot of frivolous nonsense and I can see why employees would be annoyed.

Christmas is one thing but this is another. I'd be of the same view about racial minority awareness day, mobility challenged week, womens week etc.

As long as you are valued on your ability and your merits, your sexuality should just not be an issue.

End of (and I post that a gay guy myself)

I'd agree with you in general. As long as one if given the option and respect to stay out of it and not pressured to be part of it.

But this pressuring to be part of something isn't new. It might take different forms and I don't think pressure to participate in xmas is any different, in fact it's much worse. Don't offices employee's put up Christmas decorations even if only on their workstation. If one don't participate one is called a 'scrooge'. Xmas can go ride itself as far as I'm concerned but one can't get away from it and again it goes on for months, not just a week or so as is the case here.

BBDBB · 25-06-2018 11:10PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The LGBT people should really distance themselves from the banking community

Im not a banker myself, but Ive got some very good friends in the banking community, I think its awful the way they have to hide their banking background. I know one fella who still hasn't come out to his family about working for RBS. He told his dad he's an Estate Agent as he dont think his dad would accept his son being a banker.

AllForIt · 26-06-2018 12:02AM

BBDBB wrote: »

Im not a banker myself, but Ive got some very good friends in the banking community, I think its awful the way they have to hide their banking background. I know one fella who still hasn't come out to his family about working for RBS. He told his dad he's an Estate Agent as he dont think his dad would accept his son being a banker.

In years gone by bankers would be put in prison for their actions but not any more.

uck51js9zml2yt · 26-06-2018 12:07AM

AllForIt wrote: »

In years gone by bankers would be put in prison for their actions but not any more.

Except if youre called Drumm

Red_Wake · 26-06-2018 09:22AM

We should all take pride in our work, being gay shouldn't change that one bit.

Grayson · 26-06-2018 09:34AM

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

I find it ironic that those that peddle diversity also want equality. Diverse inputs will cause inequitable results in any system.

Prove it. By your definition any workplace that has two genders or two races or two different religions or to different sexualities would be unequal. And not just work places but countries and really any system.

It sounds like you're advocating apartheid. A complete separation based on differences between people.

26-06-2018 09:36AM

Why are workplaces getting involved in all of that carry on at all, wellness, a charity of the year ect and some of it is bizarre, in one place where my husband worked they had mindfull chocolate eating it was one chocolate. The same company let all its contract staff go with one day's notice.

What do companies get from it?.

As far as I can see, behind the happy-clappy we care about our employees, US multinationals are ruthless.

Diversity for Hire · 26-06-2018 11:25AM

I don't care about gay pride and I don't want to hear about in work.

Royale with Cheese · 26-06-2018 04:25PM

Today the company I work for sent out a company wide email reminding us to attend some LGBTQ talk they're putting on in the building tomorrow (complete with many photos featuring our heavily recognisable corporate logo in rainbow theme). Now I've got another email telling me the entire business park is putting on a Rainbow Fair pride party tomorrow at lunch, complete with drag DJ.

jcorr · 26-06-2018 04:28PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Today the company I work for sent out a company wide email reminding us to attend some LGBTQ talk they're putting on in the building tomorrow (complete with many photos featuring our heavily recognisable corporate logo in rainbow theme). Now I've got another email telling me the entire business park is putting on a Rainbow Fair pride party tomorrow at lunch, complete with drag DJ.

Lol at drag DJ. Will the dj play village people.....that would be priceless

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 04:34PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Today the company I work for sent out a company wide email reminding us to attend some LGBTQ talk they're putting on in the building tomorrow (complete with many photos featuring our heavily recognisable corporate logo in rainbow theme). Now I've got another email telling me the entire business park is putting on a Rainbow Fair pride party tomorrow at lunch, complete with drag DJ.

are they doing this on your time or theirs?

Royale with Cheese · 26-06-2018 04:39PM

Oh it's not actually compulsory, I won't be going.

26-06-2018 04:40PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Why are workplaces getting involved in all of that carry on at all, wellness, a charity of the year ect and some of it is bizarre, in one place where my husband worked they had mindfull chocolate eating it was one chocolate. The same company let all its contract staff go with one day's notice.

What do companies get from it?.

As far as I can see, behind the happy-clappy we care about our employees, US multinationals are ruthless.

To get attention from the tumblr/twitter brigade

Diversity for Hire · 26-06-2018 08:22PM

Lara Swift File wrote: »

To get attention from the tumblr/twitter brigade

Money to be made from lgbtbbqxyz mob.

Be sure though, if it was hip among millenials to hate homosexuals then the big companies wouldn't be doing this.

26-06-2018 08:36PM

Diversity for Hire wrote: »

Money to be made from lgbtbbqxyz mob.

Be sure though, if it was hip among millenials to hate homosexuals then the big companies wouldn't be doing this.

and if they look at these millennials twitter/fb etc, are they going to hire someone who gets outraged over trivial matters or look for offence

Ted_YNWA · 26-06-2018 08:51PM

I think I may work in same company as OP is alluding to.

LGBT lanyards were a big thing last year. No one on my team got them. I don't give a sh1t what anyone's life choices or beliefs are, just don't shove them down my throat.

We had rainbow pictures plastered everywhere with "inspirational quotes". There was at least 20 around the whole office. they lasted a day before they were advised to take them down & only use the designated notice boards.

We were also inundated with emails every day & video conferences showing speakers and TedTalk type events.

If anything it was having a negative effect and turning people against the LGBT community.

26-06-2018 11:21PM

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

I find it ironic that those that peddle diversity also want equality. Diverse inputs will cause inequitable results in any system.

You really don't know much about diversity and equality practices, do you?

DickSwiveller wrote: »

It's a logical step if people refuse to oppose political correctness.

It is nothing of the sort.

keano_afc wrote: »

I wouldnt say they actively stop it, but certainly in the case of where I work (a very large European multinational) it was very noticeable that last year was the first year that "Christmas" was very muted.

Our CEO, based on the continent, sends us out an email every year at Christmas time. Last year was the first time the email didnt contain the word Christmas. The generic "holidays" was used instead.

There's a big difference between one person choosing the word 'holidays' and 'Christmas is banned' as suggested by others.

Frankly, I don't believe that 'Christmas is banned' happens in any company in Ireland. I believe that it is a wind-up, or more accurately, a stirring up.

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Today the company I work for sent out a company wide email reminding us to attend some LGBTQ talk they're putting on in the building tomorrow (complete with many photos featuring our heavily recognisable corporate logo in rainbow theme). Now I've got another email telling me the entire business park is putting on a Rainbow Fair pride party tomorrow at lunch, complete with drag DJ.

You got an invite. If you don't want to go, you don't go. What's the problem?

HappyAsLarE · 27-06-2018 12:17AM

Grayson wrote: »

Prove it. By your definition any workplace that has two genders or two races or two different religions or to different sexualities would be unequal. And not just work places but countries and really any system.

It sounds like you're advocating apartheid. A complete separation based on differences between people.

I was merely making a toungue in cheek observation on the irony of the conflict between the two words.

I accept in hindsight that it was a silly post and in no way advocate apartheid.

Venom · 27-06-2018 12:38AM

Really no need to be offended by LGBT signs around the place :pac:

Jim Bob Scratcher · 27-06-2018 12:43AM

^^^ Brilliant :pac:

Checkmate19 · 27-06-2018 12:49AM

hate to say it but someone just needs to say stop. do u what u want ride what u want but basically i dont care. its just sad. scared companies etc. pc going crazy. it will stop because people had enough. its pathetic.

AllForIt · 27-06-2018 01:26AM

ongarboy wrote: »

We got a mail last week from our company to celebrate Pride.

I'd love to see some of these emails ppl keep talking about. You represent the email as if it were an instruction. Again, I'd love to see the wording of these emails. Do post them if you've got a minute to do so.

As a gay man, I couldn't help be a little cynical. While I applaud the gesture about what they were aiming for as regards openness, the right to dignity and respect and zero tolerance for homophobic behaviour etc, they listed out facts including one that said LGBT employees that were out to their colleagues are more productive than those who remain in the closet. So, is it down to the bottom dollar after all? The company gets more financial return if an employee is more productive....

Everything businesses do could and probably should be considered cynically. How about 'getting to know you' nights out with your work colleagues. Isn't all that craic designed to help ppl get on a little better - in the hope of a more amiable work environment thus increasing productivity - all for the sake of profits. But at the same time one could argue that is good for the employees as well.

As someone else said, there is also this bit of bandwagon jumping going on so that the company can appear socially progressive and "in touch" with their staff. Where were all these intiatives back in the 90s when they were far more needed and when homophobia was acceptable?

Well they weren't - and now they are - what's the problem? It's called progress.

It's like those mental health and wellbeing initiatives - they can tick all the boxes and win awards at those black tie annual corporate affairs for healthy mind, body and spirit engagement because they have breakfast mindfulness sessions and give out free apples once a month but then ignore the fact that their staff are stressed due to impossible workloads, late hours and weekend working, lack of empathy from management etc.

I'd agree with that no question. Your never going to find an employer who isn't going to try to get as much out of their employees as possible. Ppl are being stretched as far as possible but I have to say this isn't only the employers fault when you see some employees sucking up as much as possible to. It's called The Rat Race. I'd argue that if it wasn't for those sucker-upper types then employers wouldn't get away with for example ppl being expected to work on stuff at home on their computers in their spare time. The ppl who are happy and willing to do that are creating all this competition amongst employees - so you can hardly blame the employer from taking advantage of it.

I also dispute this whole need to be out to acquaintances at work. Everyone who knows me personally outside of work knows that I'm gay but apart from some close work mates (team members and some colleagues I socialize with etc), most others in work wouldn't necessarily know I'm gay. Pardon my crudeness, but why would I need to tell Mary from Finance, whom I send month end reports to once a month and who I make pleasant chit chat with on those occasions, that I also like to suck ****? Why should acquaintances need to know about your sexual orientation?

Maybe 'Mary from finance' fancies your cute little butt and she might be more productive if she took her beady eyes off of you if she knew you weren't available.

If someone displays homophobic behaviour or attitudes at work, I'll call it out and/or raise it with management/HR depending on how serious it got but I shouldn't have to declare my gayness to all and sundry to avoid such abuse. It should be a given!

Well that's very noble of you for someone who doesn't particularity want to be 'openly gay' in the workplace. Perhaps the management think your a SJW.

Badly Drunk Boy · 27-06-2018 03:29AM

I work for an American multinational manfacturing factory where they're doing loads of this lately. Sending e-mails, hanging posters, and the organised a group of 30 people to a Pride event in Dublin a while ago, making special t-shirts for them and anyone who wanted one. There are 420 working there, and I know of 5 gay people. I know there might be more but I doubt if there are many more. I've worked there 22 years so I know most people.

Another thing they're doing is Diversity & Inclusion, which is another load of rubbish. Another things they'be been doing for maybe 10 years is give a gift pack to all female employees on International Women's Day. They eventually gave a gift pack to the on International Men''s Day last year, despite one lad in particular asking HR about it for years.

Gay Pride at work

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