Dairy chit chat II

Gawddawggonnit · 22-06-2018 08:36PM

http://www.lafranceagricole.fr/actualites/elevage/nitrates-lallemagne-condamnee-1,4,222175013.html

Snowfire · 22-06-2018 09:41PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

http://www.lafranceagricole.fr/actualites/elevage/nitrates-lallemagne-condamnee-1,4,222175013.html

Something about the European court of justice, nitrates and June 21.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-06-2018 09:55PM

Snowfire wrote: »

Something about the European court of justice, nitrates and June 21.

Germany isn't doing enough to reduce nitrate leeching into groundwater and the current plan proposed isn't going far enough says the EU.

But as Germany is the biggest contributor to the EU budget, I'm sure a compromise will be reached that's agreeable to both.....:rolleyes:

Mooooo · 22-06-2018 11:01PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Was the heat gone from those bales?

Just, colour was right not hot when opened, was all I had access to as not going to open pit for stuff only pitted 4 days earlier

straight · 22-06-2018 11:19PM

The new milk recording report is handy alright. Some of us need to have it spelt out for us. ðŸ‘

Gawddawggonnit · 24-06-2018 08:27AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Just, colour was right not hot when opened, was all I had access to as not going to open pit for stuff only pitted 4 days earlier

Out of interest, what colour plastic?
People claim that the darker color plastic heats the grass to higher temps...

Gawddawggonnit · 24-06-2018 08:34AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Germany isn't doing enough to reduce nitrate leeching into groundwater and the current plan proposed isn't going far enough says the EU.

But as Germany is the biggest contributor to the EU budget, I'm sure a compromise will be reached that's agreeable to both.....:rolleyes:

Interesting thinking there Chief...

Over 80mln consumers that are very environmentally aware are going to pay the Eu to look the other way while their underground water gets polluted....?

Hmmm.

Gawddawggonnit · 24-06-2018 08:34AM

https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals?FPzmK

Waffletraktor · 24-06-2018 08:48AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals?FPzmK

~**** salesrep one-o-one, just run down the opposition on why it's inferior to your vastly superior product.

yosemitesam1 · 24-06-2018 09:21AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals?FPzmK

"For ground that is new and but recently taken out of its wooded state and brought under
cultivation should not be regarded as more fruitful on this account, because it has lain fallow
longer and is younger; but because, in the leaves and herbage of many years, which it has
kept producing naturally, fattened, so to speak, with more plentiful nourishment, it more
readily satisfies the requirements for bringing forth crops and supporting them. But when the
roots of the plants, broken by mattocks and ploughs, and when the trees, cut down by the axe,
cease to nourish their mother with their foliage; when the leaves which fell from bushes and
trees in the autumn season and which were spread over her are presently turned under by the
ploughshare and mixed with the subsoil, which is usually thinner, and are used up, the result
is that the soil, being deprived of its old-time nourishment, grows lean. It is not, therefore,
because of weariness, as very many have believed, nor because of old age but manifestly
because of our own lack of energy that our cultivated lands yield us a less generous return
The antiquity of the earth, therefore, is not the reason for the scantiness of her fruits — if, I
mean, when once old age sets in, it takes no backward step and has no power to grow
vigorous and young again — but not even the weariness of the soil lessens its fruits for the
farmer, for it is a sin to suppose that Nature, endowed with perennial fertility by the creator
of the universe, is affected with barrenness as though with some disease; and it is
unbecoming to a man of good judgment to believe that Earth, to whose lot was assigned a
divine and everlasting youth, and who is called the common mother of all things — because
she has always brought forth all things and is destined to bring them forth continuously — has grown old in mortal fashion. And, furthermore, I do not believe that such misfortunes
come upon us as a result of the fury of the elements, but rather because of our own fault; for the matter of husbandry, which all the best of our ancestors had treated with the best of care"

Nothing new under the sun, still true 2 thousand years later

straight · 24-06-2018 09:31AM

I have a couple of cows coming back in heat 7 weeks after AI. Tough year to get cows in calf I think.

mahoney_j · 24-06-2018 09:53AM

straight wrote: »

I have a couple of cows coming back in heat 7 weeks after AI. Tough year to get cows in calf I think.

Always happens ,bull with cows and heifers here and both very quite ,things look good but scanning in August will tell full story.bull will stay with cows till 12/7 and bull with heifers will come out next Friday .anything after those dates will be culled

Buford T. Justice XIX · 24-06-2018 09:54AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Interesting thinking there Chief...

Over 80mln consumers that are very environmentally aware are going to pay the Eu to look the other way while their underground water gets polluted....?

Hmmm.

Money talks, Dawg.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

straight · 24-06-2018 10:29AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Always happens ,bull with cows and heifers here and both very quite ,things look good but scanning in August will tell full story.bull will stay with cows till 12/7 and bull with heifers will come out next Friday .anything after those dates will be culled

Similar story here. Bull was very quiet for the past 10 days but there has been one or 2 the last couple of days. Might take my bull from the heifers to help with the cows just in case my older bull is sub fertile. Once a cow repeats she seems to often repeat again i think.

Gawddawggonnit · 24-06-2018 10:45AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Money talks, Dawg.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Absolutely.

But maybe the citizens of Germany would rather pay for a CLEAN environment?

This is very recent in the news there...

http://www.dw.com/en/german-states-recall-thousands-of-fipronil-contaminated-eggs/a-44168101

RedPeppers · 24-06-2018 11:01AM

straight wrote: »

I have a couple of cows coming back in heat 7 weeks after AI. Tough year to get cows in calf I think.

Same here happens every year and on every farm just be glad it’s only a couple!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 25-06-2018 07:59AM

I have a cow here that broke her ankle after getting caught between slats this spring. A few courses of antibiotics and it was still swollen so vet said leave it alone.

Anyway, she calves about 6 weeks ago and I said I'd let the calf under her and leave them in the paddock when bringing in the cows. The wagon follows the cows up every time and I'd have been better off milking her.

Mooooo · 25-06-2018 08:37AM

With stop start growth you'd be worried twud be a year with more embryo mortality. Bull served a heifer last week that was bulled the first of may that hadn't a peep out of her since

thisyear · 25-06-2018 08:35PM

Lads, different one for you. What's the going rate for farm managers these days?

older by the day · 25-06-2018 09:36PM

thisyear wrote: »

Lads, different one for you. What's the going rate for farm managers these days?

Another different one, was looking at toppers, made **** of my mower Saturday, looking at a second hand perfect, any one have one, can they handle d odd rush, lump of a stone, would they suit a man that needs a mechanic walking after him. Or a Wyle cross rotor, or single roter new, something 1500 Mark. And ffs don't start telling me how handy mowers are

Mooooo · 25-06-2018 09:42PM

thisyear wrote: »

Lads, different one for you. What's the going rate for farm managers these days?

Don't know tbh, would depend on experience, managing and working the farm on his/ her own or managing a team. To teagasc have a guide? Some do performance related bonuses but not sure what criteria and off what base. More questions than answers for ya

alps · 26-06-2018 08:21AM

older by the day wrote: »

Another different one, was looking at toppers, made **** of my mower Saturday, looking at a second hand perfect, any one have one, can they handle d odd rush, lump of a stone, would they suit a man that needs a mechanic walking after him. Or a Wyle cross rotor, or single roter new, something 1500 Mark. And ffs don't start telling me how handy mowers are

Had a perfect years ago ( before the mower😂) and thought they were a great machine. Very robust, will give a good cut if you drive slow enough, but the big difference is that they have a flat plate just above the rotors and it give a mulcher like eeffect cut to the waste grass, so you don't get clumps of grass all over the field. Simple belt system with simple adjustment...

kerry cow · 26-06-2018 09:32AM

Tell me do all these large dairy herds browns ,twomeys , o keefes etc and research farms like shinagh and Greenfield use toppers ? They seem to pride themselves on growing so much tons per hecactre etc, I imagine they wouldn't dream of topping it to waste . How do they do it or not ?
Maybe some one can tell me as I struggle . Have to say they dont have a weed , so must be spraying a lot .never see a ragworth , dock or anything that shouldn't be there .so we'll manicured .
Is it spray and tight grazing or topping or what

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-06-2018 09:58AM

kerry cow wrote: »

Tell me do all these large dairy herds browns ,twomeys , o keefes etc and research farms like shinagh and Greenfield use toppers ? They seem to pride themselves on growing so much tons per hecactre etc, I imagine they wouldn't dream of topping it to waste . How do they do it or not ?
Maybe some one can tell me as I struggle . Have to say they dont have a weed , so must be spraying a lot .never see a ragworth , dock or anything that shouldn't be there .so we'll manicured .
Is it spray and tight grazing or topping or what

They bale those paddocks as surplus instead of topping.

Gawddawggonnit · 26-06-2018 10:08AM

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/department-figures-on-dairy-emissions-misleading-37048118.html

Keepgrowing · 26-06-2018 10:14AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/department-figures-on-dairy-emissions-misleading-37048118.html

Started to read article, stumbled at the first mention of An Taisce but kept going. Stopped the moment I read “JOHN Gibbons said”

Google Gibbons, read his musings and then decide as to his agenda.

Say my name · 26-06-2018 11:24AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

They bale those paddocks as surplus instead of topping.

It could actually be the soil too.
I've noticed this year since my applications of basalt dust and diluted seawater last year that the cows are grazing the grass to the ground this year.
Even an old sod that would normally have a wig of grass every year is being grazed to the boards in the first time ever that I can remember.
I've taken out paddocks as they get ahead for silage too.

I think a simple test for any farmer is to spray seaweed fertilizer and see how the cows graze the grass after.

jaymla627 · 26-06-2018 11:33AM

Lapping up the sun

jaymla627 · 26-06-2018 11:48AM

kerry cow wrote: »

Tell me do all these large dairy herds browns ,twomeys , o keefes etc and research farms like shinagh and Greenfield use toppers ? They seem to pride themselves on growing so much tons per hecactre etc, I imagine they wouldn't dream of topping it to waste . How do they do it or not ?
Maybe some one can tell me as I struggle . Have to say they dont have a weed , so must be spraying a lot .never see a ragworth , dock or anything that shouldn't be there .so we'll manicured .
Is it spray and tight grazing or topping or what

With greenfields the cows would probably eat the clothes of a lads back if he stayed still long enough in the paddock, 200 thousand less litres sent in to date versus last year with more cows and a small fortune spent on meal and bought in silage, the wheels have well and truely come of the wagon in that "expirement"

orm0nd · 26-06-2018 11:56AM

Say my name wrote: »

It could actually be the soil too.
I've noticed this year since my applications of basalt dust and diluted seawater last year that the cows are grazing the grass to the ground this year.
Even an old sod that would normally have a wig of grass every year is being grazed to the boards in the first time ever that I can remember.
I've taken out paddocks as they get ahead for silage too.

I think a simple test for any farmer is to spray seaweed fertilizer and see how the cows graze the grass after.

Using Gouldings sweet grass here and the cows will skin it off after it. Cows certainly are not getting enough salt in a couple kgs of nuts used knz licks always but unavailable now

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