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Cannabis - It must be time for legality.

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  • #182
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    Oh believe me, if I was dictator, it would be illegal to sell herbal remedies in pharmacies or anywhere near the medicine in a supermarket :D

    It should be sold as a herbal remedy. I don't know why people don't campaign for it.

    CBD oil is sold as a herbal remedy, it is the misuse of drugs act that prevents thc weed being sold as a herbal remedy.

    But because of fake news and the likes of Gino Kenny / Vera Twomey it will never be sold as a herbal remedy as too many gullible people now believe it is an effective medicine for pretty much everyrhing.


  • #183
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    It worked wonders for my friend, and gave him some relief in his last few months.

    If it worked for 1 in 1,000 people wouldn’t it be worth it for that person?

    You beat me to this; thank you. I am locked in chronic, severe pain and the only med that works consistently is codeine which is hard to get these days,,I am trying CBD oil, as yes it has worked for some and if there is a chance, great. Side effects are fewer than eg paracetamol which is useless for me . Pain deprives of
    so much. And yes, I would try cannabis at need. Have been offered it often enough by kind folk seeking to help .


  • #184
    Graces7
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    jh79 wrote: »
    CBD oil is sold as a herbal remedy, it is the misuse of drugs act that prevents thc weed being sold as a herbal remedy.

    But because of fake news and the likes of Gino Kenny / Vera Twomey it will never be sold as a herbal remedy as too many gullible people now believe it is an effective medicine for pretty much everyrhing.

    It is actually marketed here as a food supplement; they cannot advertise it as a remedy or make claims for it like that.

    https://www.fsai.ie/faq/cbd_oils_and_hemp_oils_legal_status.html


  • #185
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    jh79 wrote: »
    Herbal remedies are allowed because the sellers don't claim a medical benefit. If they do they are breaking the law.

    The phrase legally allowed is food supplement.

    https://www.fsai.ie/faq/cbd_oils_and_hemp_oils_legal_status.html

    remedy is too loaded a word!


  • #186
    [Deleted User]
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    The phrase legally allowed is food supplement.

    https://www.fsai.ie/faq/cbd_oils_and_hemp_oils_legal_status.html

    remedy is too loaded a word!

    True, remedy implies it might actually help whereas you'd struggle to find 10 herbs that actually have any benefits. Complete waste of money unless your only using for flavour.


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  • #187
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yes, but if a medicine only worked for 1/1000 people, it would never get approved.

    Therapeutic use, knock yourself out. Medicinal use? It has to be proven to work.

    Does it? I often wonder how "fair" these trials actually are.

    For example, I have Essential tremor. There are two 'approved' methods to treat it. One is the use of extreme beta blockers, which essentially turns the person into a vegetable (but they won't shake), and there are literally dozens of severe side-effects depending on your own biology. Then there's surgery to apply a pump near the brain. Apparently, it works. Sometimes. Absolutely no guarantee for either treatments and both have the capacity to serious shorten your life. I should also point out that both treatments are quite expensive.

    I can attest that moderate amounts of 'pure strain' weed can reduce the shakes to almost no noticeable amount (my noticing, not others). IMHO, Weed is highly unlikely ever to become an approved simply because it won't make the medical organisations any real money...


  • #188
    AndyBoBandy
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Weed is highly unlikely ever to become an approved simply because it won't make the medical organisations any real money...

    This is a huge factor in it being still illegal in most places.

    Pharmaceutical companies can't copyright or patent a naturally growing plant, so there'll be absolutely Zero piece of the pie for them when it becomes more mainstream, so its in their best interests to keep it demonised and 'not viable'

    Call it conspiracy theory if you want, but they'd much rather you take (their) synthetic drugs than naturally occurring drugs you can grow in your own wardrobe.


  • #189
    [Deleted User]
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    This is a huge factor in it being still illegal in most places.

    Pharmaceutical companies can't copyright or patent a naturally growing plant, so there'll be absolutely Zero piece of the pie for them when it becomes more mainstream, so its in their best interests to keep it demonised and 'not viable'

    Call it conspiracy theory if you want, but they'd much rather you take (their) synthetic drugs than naturally occurring drugs you can grow in your own wardrobe.

    GW pharma have done this already. It is a silly conspiracy theory used to distract from the lack of evidence of effectiveness.

    The reason it won't be a real medicine is the thc high prevents blinding in clinical trials meaning there is an inherent bias in the data.


  • #190
    wexie
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Pharmaceutical companies can't copyright or patent a naturally growing plant, so there'll be absolutely Zero piece of the pie for them when it becomes more mainstream, so its in their best interests to keep it demonised and 'not viable'

    I wouldn't be too sure of that now....seems they can own patents on gene sequences of real live wild animals...I'd imagine that plants are a lot easier

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/nearly-half-all-patents-marine-genes-belong-just-one-company-180969325/
    A creature as majestic as a whale, you might think, should have no owner. Yet it turns out that certain snippets of the DNA that makes a sperm whale a sperm whale are actually the subjects of patents—meaning that private entities have exclusive rights to their use for research and development. The same goes for countless other marine species. And new research shows that a single German chemical company owns 47 percent of patented marine gene sequences.

    Personally by the way I think this being possible is absolutely wrong and outright disgusting by the way. If they develop a technology using a particular gene sequence I'd see no issues with a patent on that. But being able to own a patent on wild animals (or plants) that occur in nature just seems wrong on absolutely every level.

    (Crucially it seems it's not possible to patent human gene sequences)


  • #191
    SEPT 23 1989
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    I should be able to walk into my local Centra and buy a nine bar after mass


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  • #192
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I should be able to walk into my local Centra and buy a nine bar after mass

    screw that, you should be able to walk into your local Centra and buy a 9 bar before, during as well as after mass!!!


  • #193
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    wexie wrote: »
    screw that, you should be able to walk into your local Centra and buy a 9 bar before, during as well as after mass!!!

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves

    One step at a time


  • #194
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I should be able to walk into my local Centra and buy a nine bar after mass

    We should all be able to walk into mass and buy a nine bar. The Vatican ain't historically got no problem looking for cash money in exchange for voodoo escapism products

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #195
    Brae100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Brae100


    Leo is looking at decriminalisation. There's already an expert group looking at juristictions where it has been decriminised. He seems quite keen on it. This could happen a lot quicker than any of us thought.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0622/972527-taoiseach-expert-group-cannabis/


  • #196
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,799 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It’s coming down the line, no matter what the opinions on this thread are.


  • #197
    Billy86
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    It’s coming down the line, no matter what the opinions on this thread are.

    The real question is definitely not 'if' but 'when', my guess being late 2020s/early 2030s.


  • #198
    Graces7
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Weed has performed poorly in chronic pain clinical trials , worse than what is already available and with more side effects.

    Details please as this is not accurate


  • #199
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,337 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


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  • #200
    Graces7
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    jh79 wrote: »
    True, remedy implies it might actually help whereas you'd struggle to find 10 herbs that actually have any benefits. Complete waste of money unless your only using for flavour.

    Oh dear!


  • #201
    Graces7
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    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    Suspect me arse. 80% of the adult Irish population drink alcohol, making it the number one "recreational drug" in the country.

    I bet you, or someone you love is a "recreational drug" user. :eek:


    Then you lose your money or whatever you wagered. Happy to be in the 20% who use no alcohol etc. As are all my loved ones.

    Noone needs it.


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  • #202
    Graces7
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Humans have been using substances to alter their consciousness pretty much since day one. There is nothing sinister about it, it's just part of the human condition IMO and it's the trying to suppress it with useless laws that leads to problems.

    Nah. Use your innate strength and willpower .

    SOME humans. By no means all and it is not needful or an innate need, your choice as ours not to change us


  • #203
    Graces7
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yes, but if a medicine only worked for 1/1000 people, it would never get approved.

    Therapeutic use, knock yourself out. Medicinal use? It has to be proven to work.

    Wanna bet? Why do you think so many folk are seeking alternatives to prescription chemicals?


  • #204
    Brae100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Brae100


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The real question is definitely not 'if' but 'when', my guess being late 2020s/early 2030s.

    No. After tonight's statement from Leo, we are looking at decriminalisation next year.


  • #205
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Graces7 wrote: »
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    Then you lose your money or whatever you wagered. Happy to be in the 20% who use no alcohol etc. As are all my loved ones.

    Noone needs it.
    Not sure if you're aware but coffee and tea are recreational drugs too. Should we be adding you and your loved ones in to the list of recreational drug users now?


  • #206
    Billy86
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    Brae100 wrote: »
    No. After tonight's statement from Leo, we are looking at decriminalisation next year.

    True, but decriminalisation and legalisation are fairly different. Decriminalisation still means buying off dealers, while legalisation means buying off regulated businesses; if I'm correct it can also still be confiscated and such when decriminalised. Now it could speed things up, or even see us wind up in a situation where we dilly-dally too long (as Irish governments tend to be fond of), are too late to the 'decriminalisation party' that has been going on for a while and find ourselves actually enacting those changes to legislation when other nations are legalising left, right and centre (which I believe is fairly inevitable when they see the financial gains from the likes of Canada and certain US states).

    Still definitely encouraging stuff to see though.


  • #207
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Details please as this is not accurate

    Pretty certain details are in here

    https://www.nap.edu/read/24625/chapter/1

    If not i'll have a another look for the study that confirms its poor effectiveness in chronic pain and high number of adverse effects.


  • #208
    AnneFrank
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    The weed in this country nowadays is made in grow houses by dodgy people, some of them not even knowing what country they are in, it's sprayed with all sorts of stuff, It's causing mental problems with many, many people.But it's so easy for anyone to get, maybe it's time to legalise and sell only naturally grown stuff,


  • #209
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Details please as this is not accurate

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-where-is-the-evidence/

    Are medical cannabinoids (MC) effective for the treatment of pain?
    Bottom Line: Evidence for inhaled marijuana for pain is too sparse and poor to provide good evidence-based guidance. Synthetic MC-derived products may modestly improve neuropathic pain for one in 11-14 users but perhaps not for other pain types. Additionally, longer and larger studies (better evidence) show no effect. Adverse events are plentiful.


  • #210
    Brae100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Brae100


    Billy86 wrote: »
    True, but decriminalisation and legalisation are fairly different. Decriminalisation still means buying off dealers, while legalisation means buying off regulated businesses; if I'm correct it can also still be confiscated and such when decriminalised. Now it could speed things up, or even see us wind up in a situation where we dilly-dally too long (as Irish governments tend to be fond of), are too late to the 'decriminalisation party' that has been going on for a while and find ourselves actually enacting those changes to legislation when other nations are legalising left, right and centre (which I believe is fairly inevitable when they see the financial gains from the likes of Canada and certain US states).

    Still definitely encouraging stuff to see though.

    The Canadian and US models are too young to study. The expert group have been looking at the Portuegese model which would make decriminalisation a no-brainer.


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  • #211
    Ash.J.Williams
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    jh79 wrote: »
    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-where-is-the-evidence/

    Are medical cannabinoids (MC) effective for the treatment of pain?
    Bottom Line: Evidence for inhaled marijuana for pain is too sparse and poor to provide good evidence-based guidance. Synthetic MC-derived products may modestly improve neuropathic pain for one in 11-14 users but perhaps not for other pain types. Additionally, longer and larger studies (better evidence) show no effect. Adverse events are plentiful.

    Stangely enough I can say for a fact, dirty old soap bar hash is the only thing in the world to kill nervy tooth pain


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