The Lisdoonvarna Asylum Seekers

Wanderer78 · 22-06-2018 10:44AM

bubblypop wrote: »

There was an asylum reception centre for years in killiney, it didn't cause any social issues & from what I remember, none of the locals had any problems with it.

fair point also, but i suspect there has probably been more halting sites, methadone clinics and possibly even more asylum centers etc in less affluent areas. you d have to look at all available data though to truly judge that

22-06-2018 12:04PM

http://clarechampion.ie/lisdoonvarna-asylum-seekers/

Don’t think this is exposing asylum seekers as liars!

22-06-2018 12:47PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

http://clarechampion.ie/lisdoonvarna-asylum-seekers/

Don’t think this is exposing asylum seekers as liars!

No wonder the OP didn't include a link

OP wrote:

An asylum seeker from Zimbabwe came here because of the lack of LGBT rights in her country even though she is not gay!

Sihre Mkandla (43), from Zimbabwe, has been in Lisdoonvarna for two months, having been in Dublin for four months. A lack of tolerance for gay people in her home country has turned her life upside down, even though she herself is not gay. “My government doesn’t promote the LGBTQ kind of thing. I’m not LGBTQ but my work led me to be associated with that and being in support of the LGBTQ society, and it is taboo. They are considered as animals, and if you are in the same circle as dealing with them, you are considered to be the same as well. I found myself in that situation. It comes to where your life is not safe and I had to leave.”

Her departure was abrupt, she could not say goodbye to some of her loved ones, and her son and daughter, aged 14 and 8 respectively, are still there. “I left my kids at home, which is one mistake that I regret every day. I pray to God that if things go well I can bring them. Being without them is just like… I’m here but my heart is not here.”

smurgen · 22-06-2018 01:04PM

super_furry wrote: »

If anywhere could use a little more water for it's gene pool, it's Lisdoonvana.

Just on this,how is this racism against our own okay yet if we were to flip it around and talk about the gene pool of the asylum seekers in a negative light it would be considered racist? Just because people are average joe, traditional irish doesn't make them bad.

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 01:36PM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

http://clarechampion.ie/lisdoonvarna-asylum-seekers/

Don’t think this is exposing asylum seekers as liars!

Thank you so much for this!

JohnMc1 · 22-06-2018 01:38PM

Graces7 wrote: »

You need to read the facts about asylum seekers. Some reading for you

http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/information-and-referral-service/faqs-about-asylum

You seem to be confusing asylum seekers with immigrants

These aren't genuine refugees or asylum seekers so those shouldn't apply to them.

Wanderer78 · 22-06-2018 01:40PM

i think this video fits nicely in here:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1009351840343969792

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 01:43PM

If only it was that simple

Taytoland · 22-06-2018 01:52PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This is the next thing the Government needs to tackle, make it a 6 months time limit for a decision to be make from the day they arrive and one appeal seeing as it's us the taxpayers who are paying for them to take court cases.

Maybe the well off South Dublin crowd and leftie politicians who are always pushing for more asylum seekers to be taken in should make space for them in their own neighbourhoods, something tells me though that that won't happen.

Instead it will be pushed on to communities down the country who get no say in it at all.

Sick of aaa Sinn Fein pbp and rich boy Barrett only today in the Dáil pushing this open border agenda.

Marxists pushing for open borders shocker. Why is anyone surprised.

jmayo · 22-06-2018 01:55PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why are these particular things lumped together? What does an asylum reception centre & a halting site or methadone clinic have in common?

Because you will usually find the ones that are massive proponents for all of the above turn complete nimby when any of the above are sited anywhere near them.
It is then they start worrying about crime, lowering house values, school places, etc.

I once had a discussion with an inlaw about travellers and how much of a raw deal they get.
They taught traveller children for a good number of years.
When I asked if they would mind a halting site on their road, the response was hmming and hawing before eventually admitting NO.

bubblypop wrote: »

There was an asylum reception centre for years in killiney, it didn't cause any social issues & from what I remember, none of the locals had any problems with it.

Wasn't that just Salman Rushdie staying in Bono's gaff

Yamanoto · 22-06-2018 01:59PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i think this video fits nicely in here:

Seems a VERY different set of circumstances to the current refugee / asylum / economic migrant iaaues

Wanderer78 · 22-06-2018 02:35PM

Yamanoto wrote:

Seems a VERY different set of circumstances to the current refugee / asylum / economic migrant iaaues

It is of course a different set of circumstances, and hopefully never repeated, but our current situation has similarities, ultimately it's about compassion. Western powers play a significant role in causing these issues, similarly during world war two

Kivaro · 22-06-2018 05:55PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Western powers play a significant role in causing these issues, similarly during world war two

But Ireland played no part in causing these issues abroad, and the vast majority of Irish people have no issue showing compassion to legitimate asylum seekers. When it comes to accepting asylum seekers with dubious reasons for seeking asylum, and economic migrants who bypass the existing structures for migration, then the compassion should end there.

I find, however, that most of the people screaming loudly to accept all migrants are those with no real major financial burdens in their lives e.g. paying for kids/mortgage/healthcare etc. And I highly doubt that these same people ever had a really back-breaking or physically demanding job in their lives.

Those of us who has that experience appreciate the wages that we earn, so when the government takes our hard earned taxes, we expect it to be spent in a prudent manner.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 06:20PM

I 100% am pro taking in genuine people in need

No problem there.

The thing some people don't seem grasp is that many who come here are not in need and they are only making the people in need wait longer for relocation.

Think about it. The genuine cases are left behind or at bottom and the people who just want to exploit the situation win

Galwayguy35 · 22-06-2018 08:03PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Really? Not that long ago since there were threads here about a lady and her child who were in Direct Provision and were sent back against huge protests. There were issues re FGM

Cannot remember the name
but am sure many here will remember her?

Yeah we remember her all right, Pamela Izevbekhai is her name and she left us with a million euro legal bill when after numerous appeals she was shown to be a liar who made it all up.

biko · 22-06-2018 11:51PM

If anyone has a spare bed there is a campaign to pledge a bed to a Syrian.

Graces7 · 23-06-2018 08:31AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we remember her all right, Pamela Izevbekhai is her name and she left us with a million euro legal bill when after numerous appeals she was shown to be a liar who made it all up.

Not true which shows how biassed you are. You read one side only.

Graces7 · 23-06-2018 08:34AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah we remember her all right, Pamela Izevbekhai is her name and she left us with a million euro legal bill when after numerous appeals she was shown to be a liar who made it all up.

Not true and shows clearly the way biassed folk pick and choose

Depends of course what you think of FGM..

I mentioned her as someone was alleging that asylum seekers were never sent back but of course you ignore that!

Dude89 · 23-06-2018 05:53PM

It seems Leo Varadker is not happy with the 4000 asylum seekers due to arrive from Italy and Greece he has asked for a bigger amount in a show of solidarity with the EU over Brexit, nice

httpss://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ireland-to-take-more-refugees-in-show-of-solidarity-37040514.html

Galwayguy35 · 23-06-2018 06:27PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Not true which shows how biassed you are. You read one side only.

Maybe you should read up on the case before accusing me of saying things that aren't true.

She was nothing but a liar and was caught out but not before she cost this country a fortune.

Purple Mountain · 23-06-2018 06:40PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Maybe you should read up on the case before accusing me of saying things that aren't true.

She was nothing but a liar and was caught out but not before she cost this country a fortune.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/1m-legal-bill-after-pamela-and-girls-finally-deported-26753400.html

Galwayguy35 · 23-06-2018 06:57PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/1m-legal-bill-after-pamela-and-girls-finally-deported-26753400.html

And most Irish citizens don't get this access to the courts system at all unless they are rolling in money.

RandomName2 · 23-06-2018 08:13PM

biko wrote: »

If anyone has a spare bed there is a campaign to pledge a bed to a Syrian.

At least Syrians are genuine refugees, by and large, but would there be a guarantee that you wouldn't get a former member of Al Nusra?

JohnMc1 · 24-06-2018 12:34AM

Dude89 wrote: »

It seems Leo Varadker is not happy with the 4000 asylum seekers due to arrive from Italy and Greece he has asked for a bigger amount in a show of solidarity with the EU over Brexit, nice

httpss://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ireland-to-take-more-refugees-in-show-of-solidarity-37040514.html

How many is he willing to house himself?

pleas advice · 24-06-2018 01:12AM

we're gonna need a bigger boat

Star Bingo · 24-06-2018 01:16AM

OneEightSeven · 24-06-2018 05:27AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

At least Syrians are genuine refugees, by and large, but would there be a guarantee that you wouldn't get a former member of Al Nusra?

Therein lies the problem with asylum, even extremists have to escape persecution and are entitled to asylum to avoid torture and the death penalty. Once they enter your country, you're going to have a tough time getting rid of them.

Likewise with fugitives and ex-convicts, they're all entitled to asylum if they face torture back home. The 1951 UN refugee convention needs to be scraped because it's being abused by undesirable people.

Billy86 · 24-06-2018 06:26AM

So did any actual links to the story ever emerge in the end, or was the OP just making it up and stringing along a whopping 63 gob****es while they were at it?

Embossy · 24-06-2018 10:30AM

Billy86 wrote: »

So did any actual links to the story ever emerge in the end, or was the OP just making it up and stringing along a whopping 63 gob****es while they were at it?

Its on The Clare Champion newspaper, published on Fri. June 22nd 2018 in Ennis, Co. Clare, Ireland.

24-06-2018 10:36AM

A link was provided and the story is about people who had to leave home because they could be killed if they didn’t, not some exposure of people gaming the system as the OP said.

The Lisdoonvarna Asylum Seekers

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