The Lisdoonvarna Asylum Seekers

Ulysses Gaze · 21-06-2018 07:20PM

Embossy wrote: »

They are never sent back and you know it!

But sure, keep on talking bollocks.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nearly-4-500-people-deported-from-state-last-year-1.2994473

There was a 17 per cent increase in the number of people deported from the State last year, figures from the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) show.

Nearly 4,446 people were deported in 2016, including 3,951 non-EU nationals who were refused entry into the State at ports of entry and were returned to the place from where they had come.

In addition, 428 failed asylum seekers and illegal migrants were deported from the Republic and 67 EU nationals were returned to their countries of origin on foot of an EU Removal Order.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-spent-over-13m-flights-11939744

According to new figures provided by the Department of Justice, the State last year spent €610,950 on flights deporting 140 individuals which works out at flight costs of €4,363 per person.

The figures show that the largest cohort of those deported last year were Chinese accounting for 32 of the overall number.

In addition, the State flew 18 Nigerians back to their native country while the same number of Pakistanis were also deported.

The spend on deportation flights in 2017 was down on the €698,614 in 2016 when a much higher number at 428 were deported. In 2017, 179 Nigerians were deported along with 59 from China and 16 Ghanians.

wexie · 21-06-2018 07:25PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

which works out at flight costs of €4,363 per person.

:eek:

Are they sending them back business class?

Or what that include flights where they've had to send security along with them?

Ulysses Gaze · 21-06-2018 07:27PM

wexie wrote: »

:eek:

Are they sending them back business class?

Or what that include flights where they've had to send security along with them?

Security and processing I would imagine.

I think they need one if not two guards on the flight.

Galwayguy35 · 21-06-2018 08:32PM

This is the next thing the Government needs to tackle, make it a 6 months time limit for a decision to be make from the day they arrive and one appeal seeing as it's us the taxpayers who are paying for them to take court cases.

Maybe the well off South Dublin crowd and leftie politicians who are always pushing for more asylum seekers to be taken in should make space for them in their own neighbourhoods, something tells me though that that won't happen.

Instead it will be pushed on to communities down the country who get no say in it at all.

Beechwoodspark · 21-06-2018 08:38PM

The gob****e who said Lisdoon is a dead end...the mind boggles

Wheeliebin30 · 21-06-2018 08:40PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This is the next thing the Government needs to tackle, make it a 6 months time limit for a decision to be make from the day they arrive and one appeal seeing as it's us the taxpayers who are paying for them to take court cases.

Maybe the well off South Dublin crowd and leftie politicians who are always pushing for more asylum seekers to be taken in should make space for them in their own neighbourhoods, something tells me though that that won't happen.

Instead it will be pushed on to communities down the country who get no say in it at all.

Sick of aaa Sinn Fein pbp and rich boy Barrett only today in the Dáil pushing this open border agenda.

Kivaro · 21-06-2018 10:04PM

Amanda Vast Senator wrote: »

I think you're dying for someone to say the town is full of racists. Nobody has, I certainly wouldn't.

This genius in all his knowledge of the area and situation on the ground claimed local bigotry:

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Thanks Clare Champion

I can now go back to not caring thanking to their incredible investigative work and local bigotry

I suppose they are "bigots" because 93% who voted on the topic voted to reject the arrival of Direct Provision in the town. Maybe they were concerned with the lack of ancillary resources required to house such a large number of asylum seekers.

The way the government steamrolled Lisdoonvarna with this Direct Provision facility is a bit alarming. I hope they change their tactics with the new Direct Provision facilities that will be required in the coming years.

Purple Mountain · 21-06-2018 10:11PM

Amanda Vast Senator wrote: »

Went to school in Lisdoon. "Dead end" is a fcuking compliment, believe me.

Are the stormfront/Breitbart boyos still knocking around there too?

Oh Lisdoonvarna...Lisdoon..Lisdoon..Lisdoon..varna..

mohawk · 21-06-2018 10:26PM

conorhal wrote: »

But yeah, tell the locals that they're racists because they suspected they were about to become a poorly resourced dumping ground for migrants, and their children's classrooms turned into a half arsed language school, which no doubt you'd be more then happy to send your kids.

I have to say if I was a parent sending my child to the local school I would be furious.

jay0109 · 21-06-2018 10:32PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

But sure, keep on talking bollocks.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nearly-4-500-people-deported-from-state-last-year-1.2994473

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-spent-over-13m-flights-11939744

You see, turning people away at a point of entry does not equal deporting failed asylum seekers.
So the only pertinent info that you posted there was that 438 number. But that includes both failed asylum seekers AND illegal migrants found here in the State.

So as people have alluded to here, the actual numbers of failed asylum seekers that are deported is very very low.
Leave to remain seems to the Irish answer to this Irish problem

Ulysses Gaze · 21-06-2018 11:13PM

jay0109 wrote: »

You see, turning people away at a point of entry does not equal deporting failed asylum seekers.
So the only pertinent info that you posted there was that 438 number. But that includes both failed asylum seekers AND illegal migrants found here in the State.

So as people have alluded to here, the actual numbers of failed asylum seekers that are deported is very very low.
Leave to remain seems to the Irish answer to this Irish problem

Which refutes what the OP had said.

Which was the point.

Ireland IS sending people back.

jay0109 · 21-06-2018 11:19PM

'Ireland is sending VERY FEW people back v's the number of failed claims' would be the correct summation

pleas advice · 22-06-2018 12:06AM

anyone for the last few choc-ices?

JohnMc1 · 22-06-2018 12:14AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

This is the next thing the Government needs to tackle, make it a 6 months time limit for a decision to be make from the day they arrive and one appeal seeing as it's us the taxpayers who are paying for them to take court cases.

The Govt should do like the Eastern European Countries and tell them they must be willing to work for their benefits. That will stop them from coming real quick. Make the ones that are already here work for their benefits as well and watch them leave as well.

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 02:09AM

Embossy wrote: »

They are never sent back and you know it!

Really? Not that long ago since there were threads here about a lady and her child who were in Direct Provision and were sent back against huge protests. There were issues re FGM

Cannot remember the name
but am sure many here will remember her?

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 02:13AM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Govt should do like the Eastern European Countries and tell them they must be willing to work for their benefits. That will stop them from coming real quick. Make the ones that are already here work for their benefits as well and watch them leave as well.

You need to read the facts about asylum seekers. Some reading for you

http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/information-and-referral-service/faqs-about-asylum

You seem to be confusing asylum seekers with immigrants

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 02:15AM

mohawk wrote: »

I have to say if I was a parent sending my child to the local school I would be furious.

Why?

Odyssey 2005 · 22-06-2018 04:09AM

The month of September should be an eye opener for them so

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Graces7 · 22-06-2018 07:30AM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Govt should do like the Eastern European Countries and tell them they must be willing to work for their benefits. That will stop them from coming real quick. Make the ones that are already here work for their benefits as well and watch them leave as well.

They were only allowed to work very recently and they live in what is in effect an open prison. No privacy etc. With a small weekly allowance so no "benefits" .

Nothing like immigrants

Such cynicism..

_Kaiser_ · 22-06-2018 07:48AM

biko wrote: »

A total of 93% voted to reject the arrival of Direct Provision in the town so almost all of the place is racist nazis.

.. And this attitude right here is one of the biggest problems of this whole issue. The idea that anyone who has a valid concern about the impact a sudden influx of refugees/migrants into a small area will have MUST BE a "racist Nazi" :rolleyes:

First, it's simply wrong, secondly it prevents a proper debate on the issue, and thirdly it makes the accuser look like nothing but a smug virtue signaller with no grasp of the actual realities.

What's probably true as well is that if it was decided to setup a large refugee centre in their locality, they'd be the first ones out objecting. I've found these comfortable, middle class, vocally liberal types to be the biggest NIMBYs when it comes to their own patch.

suicide_circus · 22-06-2018 07:53AM

We're the comanche or the sioux peoples racist nazis for not wanting the pale face on their lands?

conorhal · 22-06-2018 09:32AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

.. And this attitude right here is one of the biggest problems of this whole issue. The idea that anyone who has a valid concern about the impact a sudden influx of refugees/migrants into a small area will have MUST BE a "racist Nazi" :rolleyes:

First, it's simply wrong, secondly it prevents a proper debate on the issue, and thirdly it makes the accuser look like nothing but a smug virtue signaller with no grasp of the actual realities.

What's probably true as well is that if it was decided to setup a large refugee centre in their locality, they'd be the first ones out objecting. I've found these comfortable, middle class, vocally liberal types to be the biggest NIMBYs when it comes to their own patch.

Like that time the great and the good of Dublin 4 had an asylum center in their area shut down?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ballsbridge-centre-for-asylum-seekers-is-closed-1.299420

The attitude of 'Refugees Welcome!' Dublin 4, when it arrives in their own back yard, is 'to hell or to Connaught Lisdoonvarna' with them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
We'll never see a sensible response from the virtue signallers until it's in their own back yard.
I'd love to see an asylum reception center opened in the old Jury's Hotel in Ballsbridge, Herbert Park turned into a halting site and string of homeless shelters and methadone clinics all along Ailesbury Rd.
Then I suspect the 'great and the good' would be happy to discuss realistic answers to the problems they're happy to see dumped in voiceless communities.

22-06-2018 09:40AM

Did someone say the Irish only went to work whey they left?

Almost a quarter of those who use homeless day centers in London are Irish and single. Among older people the likely to be mental health problems or alcoholism. With younger homeless people, it can be drug abuse of family breakdown.

Brian O’Connell reports for RTÉ News on 25 May 2000.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2015/0525/703556-irish-homelessness-in-london/.

I could link numerous articles from the 1980s about the amount of on Irish people on welfare in the Britten.

topper75 · 22-06-2018 09:44AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Sick of aaa Sinn Fein pbp and rich boy Barrett only today in the Dáil pushing this open border agenda.

Chuck Feeney's money.

As the saying goes, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

topper75 · 22-06-2018 09:50AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Did someone say the Irish only went to work whey they left?

Almost a quarter of those who use homeless day centers in London are Irish and single. Among older people the likely to be mental health problems or alcoholism. With younger homeless people, it can be drug abuse of family breakdown.

Brian O’Connell reports for RTÉ News on 25 May 2000.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2015/0525/703556-irish-homelessness-in-london/.

I could link numerous articles from the 1980s about the amount of on Irish people on welfare in the Britten.

Nobody can deny that there has been, and probably continues to be, wholesale abuse there over there by less-than-honourable Irish. The CTA prevents the British from taking action.

But we can't hope to fix that wrong against Britain by permitting another wrong to be perpetrated against ourselves and our own vulnerable exchequer that, need I remind everybody, runs on substantial taxation and DEBT.

Leave to remain policy will sink us.

Wanderer78 · 22-06-2018 09:51AM

topper75 wrote: »

Nobody can deny that there has been, and probably continues to be, wholesale abuse there over there by less-than-honourable Irish. The CTA prevents the British from taking action.

But we can't hope to fix that wrong against Britain by permitting another wrong to be perpetrated against ourselves and our own vulnerable exchequer that, need I remind everybody, runs on substantial taxation and DEBT.

Leave to remain policy will sink us.

and why do we have all these debts, and would some of these debts be odious?

22-06-2018 10:22AM

conorhal wrote: »

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I'd love to see an asylum reception center opened in the old Jury's Hotel in Ballsbridge, Herbert Park turned into a halting site and string of homeless shelters and methadone clinics all along Ailesbury Rd.

Why are these particular things lumped together? What does an asylum reception centre & a halting site or methadone clinic have in common?

Wanderer78 · 22-06-2018 10:26AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why are these particular things lumped together? What does an asylum reception centre & a halting site or methadone clinic have in common?

fair argument in my mind, it can be seen that complex social problems are steered away from areas of higher class, this is a problem where i live

mfceiling · 22-06-2018 10:28AM

biko wrote: »

A total of 93% voted to reject the arrival of Direct Provision in the town so almost all of the place is racist nazis.

Just out of interest....if an elderly person is frightened or nervous or apprehensive about a load of people arriving in the their town or village are they a nazi? Maybe like my elderly parents they are wary of gangs of foreign lads hanging around the local bank, beating lumps out of each other outside one of the local bars and seeming to disregard the queuing system in the post office. Nah...they're nazis.

22-06-2018 10:40AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

fair argument in my mind, it can be seen that complex social problems are steered away from areas of higher class, this is a problem where i live

There was an asylum reception centre for years in killiney, it didn't cause any social issues & from what I remember, none of the locals had any problems with it.

The Lisdoonvarna Asylum Seekers

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