1 in 5 homeless are non EU.

Graces7 · 22-06-2018 09:35AM

Jesse Scarce Invoice wrote: »

Much of Ireland is more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make massive mortgage payments, planning applications and sheer expense of connecting water, electric, sewage, telephony and so forth.

You could drop dead from the elements whilst trying to build on some waterlogged bogland out west, during our rainy season. A calm -15oC in Ontario Canada is lots nicer than a windy dark humid -5oC. Or out west, BC state is huge and has the same climate NW Europe.

Much easier to to pop up a Yurt in Kazakhstan as the Nomads there have been doing since the dawn of time. Algeria can't be all that bad if 5 star cruise liners choose to stop there and let paying tourists enjoy the lifestyle, beaches, shopping and lovely weather.

it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch, for that sole purpose of accomodating new mass migrants (in much more population dense) Ireland. This is unlikley to happen seeing as they can't even house their own, as locals scramble to rent a decent city flat, costing them much of their net salary.

That is so funny and what is even funnier - or sadder - is that you apparently believe it? nee

super_furry · 22-06-2018 09:43AM

We’re still doing this? And still without a shred of evidence that 1 in 5 homeless people and from outside the EU?

zell12 · 22-06-2018 09:49AM

super_furry wrote: »

We’re still doing this? And still without a shred of evidence that 1 in 5 homeless people and from outside the EU?

There is plenty of data around
40% of Galway’s rough sleepers are from abroad

super_furry · 22-06-2018 09:52AM

zell12 wrote: »

There is plenty of data around
40% of Galway’s rough sleepers are from abroad

Nothing mentionining non-EU nationals there at all.

4068ac1elhodqr · 22-06-2018 01:07PM

Graces7 wrote: »

That is so funny and what is even funnier - or sadder - is that you apparently believe it? nee

Slight exagaeration was added, as was replying to poster (billy86) stating this exagerated claim about lower density huge countries such as Canada.

Another poster claimed there is no room in these countries. Kazakhstan (x11 lower pop density than Ireland) & Saudi Arabia (x4.5 lower).

The former are both huge oil-rich nations, with way plenty of room for more people. Algeria has (x3.7) lower density too and covers a huge 2,381,741 km2.

Billy86:

Much if those countries are more or less uninhabitable though unless you go to huge lengths to make sure people don't just drop dead from the weather and elements. I've heard similar arguments made about Canada but for the same and opposite reasons, it's not possible without essentially building new cities from scratch for that sole purpose.

Canadians build houses faster, cheaper, warmer and better than most countries with relatively little risk of 'dropping' or workplace accidents during the process.

The Saudi's (GDP Per Capita‎: ‎54,100$) are splashing '$500bn' on a new futurist city (Neom), that the likes of Europe can only dream about.

Astana in Kazakhstan is one of the most modern (if strange) cities on earth, full of flashy palaces, shopping malls. The even imported sand from the Maldives for their artifical beach. Wolves actually outnumber people there it's so vast, and largely flat land, about the size of the whole of Western Europe.

topper75 · 22-06-2018 02:08PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Lack also of any sense of reality and yes of any true civilisation. Attitudes are back to the "old Ireland" . Not good... Not good at all.

My attitude would be looking to a near to medium future where Ireland is run for the Irish by the Irish. Where immigration is limited to our capacity to absorb without major disruption. Where we get the right sort of immigrants who won't cause trouble. Where we get immigrants who will not form ghettos and refuse to take accept how we live. Where immigrants who get a new start in life appreciate the chance they have been given and excel.

The future can be bright too! Chin up.

redcup342 · 22-06-2018 03:17PM

zell12 wrote: »

There is plenty of data around
40% of Galway’s rough sleepers are from abroad

Abroad doesn't mean "Non-EU"

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 03:23PM

redcup342 wrote: »

Abroad doesn't mean "Non-EU"

True, but even 40% of non national is scary figure for town like Galway

fxotoole · 22-06-2018 03:25PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How can the government ever solve this problem with figures like that?

Figures like what?

80% of homeless people are EU citizens.

i.e. the vast majority of homeless people are EU citizens

I don't see what the problem is tbh.

redcup342 · 22-06-2018 03:29PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

True, but even 40% of non national is scary figure for town like Galway

So having 100% Homeless being Irish is better?

I don't get it.

Sure the figures are never representative because homeless people don't really even exist except when you see them on the street.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 03:50PM

redcup342 wrote: »

So having 100% Homeless being Irish is better?

I don't get it.

Sure the figures are never representative because homeless people don't really even exist except when you see them on the street.

It just adds to the problem.

Homeless does exist even if you don't see it

Chinasea · 22-06-2018 04:24PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

True, but even 40% of non national is scary figure for town like Galway

What % of the minimum wage, lowest wage, crappie jobs are carried out by Irish?

Where are this high percentage of minimum wage earners allowed to live ?

Who is doing all the pizza delivery, the chicken ball making, kitchen porters, nursing assistants, Toxic fume cheap as chips Asian nail and toe polishers?

Remember everyone cries Rip Off Republic when they have to pay for services, and it's all great and dandy until this exploited cohort start looking to put an affordable roof over their heads.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 04:36PM

Chinasea wrote: »

What % of the minimum wage, lowest wage, crappie jobs are carried out by Irish?

Where are this high percentage of minimum wage earners allowed to live ?

Who is doing all the pizza delivery, the chicken ball making, kitchen porters, nursing assistants, Toxic fume cheap as chips Asian nail and toe polishers?

Remember everyone cries Rip Off Republic when they have to pay for services, and it's all great and dandy until this exploited cohort start looking to put an affordable roof over their heads.

I don't know you tell me

Chinasea · 22-06-2018 04:40PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I don't know you tell me

Didn't think so.

weldoninhio · 22-06-2018 05:07PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Figures like what?

80% of homeless people are EU citizens.

i.e. the vast majority of homeless people are EU citizens

I don't see what the problem is tbh.

You do know that the freedom to travel within the EU is dependent on your capacity to support yourself. After 3 months if you can’t support yourself you can, and should, be repatriated. We don’t owe anyone the right to live here if they can’t support themselves.

fxotoole · 22-06-2018 05:13PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You do know that the freedom to travel within the EU is dependent on your capacity to support yourself. After 3 months if you can’t support yourself you can, and should, be repatriated. We don’t owe anyone the right to live here if they can’t support themselves.

Exactly. So, rather than focusing on resolving the issue of 80% of homeless being EU citizens who should be ejected from the country (assuming they've been here more than 3 months), the OP is ranting about the 20% who are in the minority. OP needs to get his priorities straight.

weldoninhio · 22-06-2018 05:29PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Exactly. So, rather than focusing on resolving the issue of 80% of homeless being EU citizens who should be ejected from the country (assuming they've been here more than 3 months), the OP is ranting about the 20% who are in the minority. OP needs to get his priorities straight.

EU or Non-EU they are a drain. We need proper border control and people who shouldn’t be here shouldn’t be here.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-06-2018 06:20PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Didn't think so.

So tell me

James Brown · 22-06-2018 06:34PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How can the government ever solve this problem with figures like that?

It’s madness.

Do people not realize once you house these non EU families an influx will happen.

But hey let’s house everyone who wants a house.

Why is there never a balanced debate on the people in emergency accommodation?

All Sinn Fein rant about is how they all need a house of their own, but never any questions asked.

What's Sinn Fein got to do with it? You can't criticise FG/FF policy and then whinge about Sinn Fein, well you can, but it doesn't make any sense.

Emergency accommodation could be avoided if we had social housing stock. Regardless of your view, it's cheaper for the tax payer.
FG/FF have fed all these issues to keep developers and property investors in profit, while the tax payer gets rode...but Mary Lou, go on...

Wheeliebin30 · 22-06-2018 06:35PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What's Sinn Fein got to do with it? You can't criticise FG/FF policy and then whinge about Sinn Fein, well you can, but it doesn't make any sense.

Emergency accommodation could be avoided if we had social housing stock. Regardless of your view, it's cheaper for the tax payer.
FG/FF have feed all these issues to keep developers and property investors in profit, while the tax payer gets rode...but Mary Lou, go on...

Well seems they are advocates for open borders it does make sense.

James Brown · 22-06-2018 06:38PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well seems they are advocates for open borders it does make sense.

So you don't really want a debate about people on emergency accommodation, just to give out about foreigners and Sinn Fein, righty-o.

Wheeliebin30 · 22-06-2018 06:42PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So you don't really want a debate about people on emergency accommodation, just to give out about foreigners and Sinn Fein, righty-o.

Well my opinion is we will never get people out of emergency accommodation if we just let every Tom Dick and Harry in who wants a house and gets it by going “homeless”

It’s that simple really.

Call Me Jimmy · 22-06-2018 06:45PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What's Sinn Fein got to do with it?.

Got to do, got to do with it

James Brown · 22-06-2018 06:47PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well my opinion is we will never get people out of emergency accommodation if we just let every Tom Dick and Harry in who wants a house and gets it by going “homeless”

It’s that simple really.

We should be vetting these people, which I assume we do?
What SF may or may not do in office keeps FF/FG bums on seats, they keep upsetting people, but better the devil you know and all that.

Agent Coulson · 22-06-2018 06:53PM

1 in 5 is non EU?

So 4 in 5 are EU.

Is that 4 Irish no Europeans?

Is that 3 Irish 1 European?

Is that 2 Irish 2 Europeans?

Is That 1 Irish 3 Europeans?

Is that 0 Irish 4 Europeans?

Chinasea · 22-06-2018 07:08PM

Can anybody say where all the non EU lowest paid, zero contracts, crappie job, bum and puke cleaner jobbers are deemed to allowed to live ?

redcup342 · 22-06-2018 08:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

You do know that the freedom to travel within the EU is dependent on your capacity to support yourself. After 3 months if you can’t support yourself you can, and should, be repatriated. We don’t owe anyone the right to live here if they can’t support themselves.

So basically you are saying people should be deported to the country where they have a passport from, even though they may have left there when a few months old and know nobody there or may not even speak the language ?

corner of hells · 22-06-2018 08:56PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Well my opinion is we will never get people out of emergency accommodation if we just let every Tom Dick and Harry in who wants a house and gets it by going “homeless”

It’s that simple really.

By going "homeless" ? There's a process involved in getting yourself registered as homeless , you must be as in need of housing , you can be homeless priority or without priority , your medical needs or age may categorise you again.You may told you're are HAP and not to assume social housing may be available for you sometime soon and some foreign national will not get housed.

Simple .

JohnMc1 · 24-06-2018 02:51PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What's Sinn Fein got to do with it?.

Sinn Fein are demanding open borders and unlimited immigration while still trying to promote itself as a Nationalist party.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 03:13PM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are demanding open borders and unlimited immigration while still trying to promote itself as a Nationalist party.

Because one cant be nationlist and left leaning??

1 in 5 homeless are non EU.

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