Journalism and cycling

magicbastarder · 21-06-2018 12:34PM

piece on newstalk now about the proposal in the netherlands to pay employees to cycle to work - the guest is richie oakley, so it's a fairly positive piece.

zell12 · 21-06-2018 12:35PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

piece on newstalk now about the proposal in the netherlands to pay employees to cycle to work - the guest is richie oakley, so it's a fairly positive piece.

hmmm https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/netherlands-cycling-pay-use-bicycle-road-congestion-dutch-companies-a8408146.html

mr spuckler · 21-06-2018 12:51PM

Mercedes is still very much attached to its diesels - and with its heritage that is understandable.

it really isn't.

The four-door coupe will get you to 100kmh in 6.4 seconds on to a top of 250kmh while still being in a tax band that costs just more than €7 a week.

2 questions...given everything we're reading about diesel emissions how is the motor tax on these cars still so low? and given his earlier comments about rule breaking why does he comment on up to 250km/h without any reference to the utter futility of such power / speed given our speed limits?

Borderfox · 21-06-2018 01:11PM

With a name like that I imagine the bitterness comes from many a wedgie in school

tomasrojo · 21-06-2018 01:39PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

piece on newstalk now about the proposal in the netherlands to pay employees to cycle to work - the guest is richie oakley, so it's a fairly positive piece.

I caught a small bit and it sounded ok, except the presenter brought up 3+-abreast cycling. That, apart from being probably to some extent an optical illusion, has got nothing to do with *cycling to work*.

CramCycle · 21-06-2018 01:45PM

fat bloke wrote: »

"2 litre 6 cylinder"?

I don't think so.

If he can't get the basic specs of what he's reviewing right, then what chance the rest of the writing will be of any use or accuracy.

To be fair, it was probably handed to him by Mercedes and he fouled up the copy and paste. Make it sound good, but not perfect, make it slightly believable. Also stir up a small frenzy to get more readers as well as the all important word count up as your paid by the word.

mr spuckler wrote: »

it really isn't.
2 questions...given everything we're reading about diesel emissions how is the motor tax on these cars still so low? and given his earlier comments about rule breaking why does he comment on up to 250km/h without any reference to the utter futility of such power / speed given our speed limits?

I imagine emissions based tax on Diesels will sky rocket in the next few years. As the numbers dwindle with electric and many manufacturers moving away, it will become a softer and softer target. That or they will load on the tax at the pump, happy either way.

magicbastarder · 21-06-2018 02:18PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

I caught a small bit and it sounded ok, except the presenter brought up 3+-abreast cycling. That, apart from being probably to some extent an optical illusion, has got nothing to do with *cycling to work*.

he did mention at least once that people's complaints about cyclists in no way was useful in a debate about providing infrastructure.

21-06-2018 06:21PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

piece on newstalk now about the proposal in the netherlands to pay employees to cycle to work - the guest is richie oakley, so it's a fairly positive piece.

This system is already in place in Belgium, up to 23c/km is tax free. The companies can decide themselves how much per km they pay.

magicbastarder · 21-06-2018 08:48PM

someone texted in to say 'it shouldn't be 20c per kilometre, it should be a euro' to which oakley responded 'sure there'd be lads detouring via blessington on their commute if you did that!'

P_1 · 21-06-2018 11:45PM

De Bhál wrote: »

Michael Healy-Rae's bike's been robbed

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-am-looking-for-you-i-will-find-you-michael-healyraes-message-to-thief-who-stole-his-bike-37031319.html

His own fault for not locking it, like what sort of a gob****e doesn't being a lock with them going about town.

Fighting Tao · 22-06-2018 07:24AM

P_1 wrote: »

His own fault for not locking it, like what sort of a gob****e doesn't being a lock with them going about town.

One who likes to play the victim to get media attention. Sure without his family we’d never know how hard Kerry people have it.

Rechuchote · 22-06-2018 08:33AM

Surely that must be an area crawling with CCTV cameras?

zell12 · 22-06-2018 09:47AM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

One who likes to play the victim to get media attention. Sure without his family we’d never know how hard Kerry people have it.

€5.4m personal wealth

rubadub · 22-06-2018 09:56AM

P_1 wrote: »

His own fault for not locking it, like what sort of a gob****e doesn't being a lock with them going about town.

Someone with millions who does not give a flying fcuk it their bike is nicked. He was completely reckless and is now going to use up gardai time.

There were lots of replys on articles with people saying "that's victim blaming" if people called him and idiot and "what do you expect". I call it idiot blaming and negligence.

I always wondered if there is any time the gardai would not investigate a crime and make it clear to the person reporting they are going to do nothing, since the "victim" was so negligent. Like if I went into the gardai and said I left a €100 bottle of whiskey down by the canal at the barge pub for "some time" and it was nicked would they investigate? or if I left a 50 note under a stone outside the passport office.

LeoD · 22-06-2018 10:03AM

red_ken wrote: »

This system is already in place in Belgium, up to 23c/km is tax free. The companies can decide themselves how much per km they pay.

Is this danger money?

Tax/financial incentives, ad campaigns, education programs, etc - all cop outs on the governments behalf to tackle motor dominated and congested streets. Safe, connected & coherent cycle infrastructure is what's needed - it's that simple.

loyatemu · 22-06-2018 10:45AM

how does this pay per km thing work - what's to stop me throwing the bike onto the train and getting off a stop early and cycling the rest of the way into the office?

magicbastarder · 22-06-2018 10:49AM

there was talk about potentially using an app to audit the journey.

Rechuchote · 22-06-2018 10:55AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

there was talk about potentially using an app to audit the journey.

See.Sense are rubbing their hands…

Grassey · 22-06-2018 01:01PM

loyatemu wrote:

how does this pay per km thing work - what's to stop me throwing the bike onto the train and getting off a stop early and cycling the rest of the way into the office?

Probably irish rail ðŸ˜‚

Rechuchote · 22-06-2018 02:02PM

loyatemu wrote: »

how does this pay per km thing work - what's to stop me throwing the bike onto the train and getting off a stop early and cycling the rest of the way into the office?

I'd assume they'd require you to use something like Strava or See.Sense, which won't work unless you're moving under your own steam.

What might also stop you is the train fare.

tomasrojo · 22-06-2018 02:23PM

LeoD wrote: »

Is this danger money?

It varies from place to place, but overall cycling isn't all that dangerous.

I do agree that a coherent network of cycling infrastructure is more important than small financial incentives.

tomasrojo · 22-06-2018 02:41PM

rubadub wrote: »

There were lots of replys on articles with people saying "that's victim blaming"

This is really discrediting the useful concept of victim blaming. Nobody is trying to absolve the perpetrator of ultimate responsibility, which is what victim blaming is used for in the cases of traffic death and sexual assault.

Chiparus · 22-06-2018 05:18PM

rubadub wrote: »

Someone with millions who does not give a flying fcuk it their bike is nicked. He was completely reckless and is now going to use up gardai time.

There were lots of replys on articles with people saying "that's victim blaming" if people called him and idiot and "what do you expect". I call it idiot blaming and negligence.

I always wondered if there is any time the gardai would not investigate a crime and make it clear to the person reporting they are going to do nothing, since the "victim" was so negligent. Like if I went into the gardai and said I left a €100 bottle of whiskey down by the canal at the barge pub for "some time" and it was nicked would they investigate? or if I left a 50 note under a stone outside the passport office.

Amazing attitude.

Crims are ok, its the owners fault for not locking it up enough.

P_1 · 22-06-2018 05:27PM

Chiparus wrote: »

Amazing attitude.

Crims are ok, its the owners fault for not locking it up enough.

In this case the owner didn't lock it full stop. It's not victim blaming if the only reason for you being the victim is you being a blithering idiot

22-06-2018 05:50PM

loyatemu wrote: »

how does this pay per km thing work - what's to stop me throwing the bike onto the train and getting off a stop early and cycling the rest of the way into the office?

Where I work it's based on an honesty policy and capped at 40km per day.
There's always Strava etc to back up any claims you make.
There's nothing to stop you using public transport part of the way as long as you admit it.

Grassey · 22-06-2018 06:09PM

tomasrojo wrote:

I do agree that a coherent network of cycling infrastructure is more important than small financial incentives.

That said... My current 35k commute by â‚¬0. 23 would yield me â‚¬8 a day, so about â‚¬1800 a year based on 230 working days. I'd gladly take!

Chiparus · 22-06-2018 06:12PM

P_1 wrote: »

In this case the owner didn't lock it full stop. It's not victim blaming if the only reason for you being the victim is you being a blithering idiot

It seems that it is acceptable to take something that does not belong to you if the owner has not secured it enough or at all.

That rationale could be expanded to the level of security of the property , so a use cheap lock - well its fair game.

I have met criminal scum with that attitude, if the owner did not secure it properly thay deserve to be robbed.

Definiton of victim blaming

rubadub · 22-06-2018 06:20PM

Chiparus wrote: »

Amazing attitude.

Crims are ok, its the owners fault for not locking it up enough.

Its not amazing at all, I imagine a lot of people share it, as evidenced in comments.

What IS utterly amazing is that you came away from reading my post thinking my attitude is that criminals are OK. Where in the name of fcuk you got that from is beyond me...

I cringe hearing this "victim blaming" shite all the time these days. PC gobshite-ery. People will be scared to tell their children not to accept sweets or lifts from strangers next, for fear of been seen as a dreaded "victim blamer" -"my child should be fully entitled to get into a car with a strange man and nothing should happen."

Sick to death of it.

Chiparus · 22-06-2018 06:40PM

rubadub wrote: »

Its not amazing at all, I imagine a lot of people share it, as evidenced in comments.

What IS utterly amazing is that you came away from reading my post thinking my attitude is that criminals are OK. Where in the name of fcuk you got that from is beyond me...

I cringe hearing this "victim blaming" shite all the time these days. PC gobshite-ery. People will be scared to tell their children not to accept sweets or lifts from strangers next, for fear of been seen as a dreaded "victim blamer" -"my child should be fully entitled to get into a car with a strange man and nothing should happen."

Sick to death of it.

Scumbag crims say they deserve to be robbed if they dont protect their property.

rubadub · 22-06-2018 06:54PM

Chiparus wrote: »

Scumbag crims say they deserve to be robbed if they dont protect their property.

some might, and so what? they are scum

-what the hell has that got to do with my other post that you quoted. It really seemed like you were making out like it was my attitude that "crims are ok"

Chiparus wrote: »

Definiton of victim blaming

Maybe that is your defintion, I would like to hear a more dictionary-like version of yours.

Here is one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially at fault for the harm that befell them.

People make out like its an utterly shameful term or something. I do believe he is partially at fault for the harm that befell him, so have no problem if somebody called me a victim blamer if going by that definition. Evidently most police forces do too, which is why when I read about bait bikes they invariably lock them up, in case it is seen as entrapment in a court. Many insurance companies could be described as victim blamers and refuse to pay out due to such laughable negligence.

The gardai website has quite a bit of victim blaming advice on it, about locking bikes, cars, houses etc.

The man is worth millions, so can afford to be totally reckless, but now he is taking up garda time, and getting his free bit of publicity.

If he left a 50 note under a stone on grafton street "for some time" unattended does he deserve to have it nicked? -NO, should he expect or think it likely to have it nicked -of course! And I would hate to see shops having to check CCTV etc.

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