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Do You Like Chicken?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    doolox wrote: »
    Animals are divided into three main categories, Herbivores, Omnivores and Carnivores.

    Humans are Omnivores.

    This means we have the ability to get some of our nutrients from meat. In olden days most of a humans nutrition came for plants, grains, green plant material and pulses. A lot of tribes only eat milk and cheese, some drain blood from their cattle but the slaughter of cattle for food is considered extravagant and wasteful as cattle are very expensive to rear and buy for these people.

    Meat was viewed as an expensive luxury reserved for the upper classes or, on rare occasions for the 90% of people that made up the peasants class. Fish, crustaceans and in some countries, insects made up another important source of protein but westerners have gone off insects.

    Because of our modern lifestyles and the advent of cheap grin and feeds, cheap transport and cheap sheds and housing, animal protein has become relatively inexpensive in modern times. Most culinary techniques are easier to manage when meat is in the diet as a convenient source of protein fro the average worker. I have talked to vegans and they have to manage their diet very carefully to ensure they get adequate protein and the proper types of protein to guard against anemia, cognitive development disorders ( esp with vegan children) and the likes. Being vegan is therefore relatively difficult and leaves most people feeling hungry, but this is the normal state of affairs for most humans for most of times past. Being full at all times is only a post WW2 phenomenon for most working class people, esp city dwellers without access to arable land to grow their own.

    In the recent past we have used fossil fuels as feedstock to make artificial fertilisers and pesticides and fungicides to increase crop yields and allow modern humans to produce cheap meat with the surplus crops which are available because of this process.

    Water is also needed in large quantities to make meat.

    As water and fossil fuels become scarce and more plant and grains are needed for our growing human population there will be an increase in the cost of meat and a reduction in its consumption. Veganism and vegetarianism will rise and probably in time become mainstream. The techniques and knowledge needed to successfully keep healthy on a vegan or veg diet will also become widely known and used by most ordinary people.

    During WW2 British people used to keep a few hens out the back yards of urban houses etc and grew their own food because rationing of commercially sourced food was very strict. As a child I remember pigs being kept in sheds and outhouses in my native city which were fed scraps of waste food. There was even a tender process with most residential institutions, schools, hospitals etc to take away the waste food (slops ) which was seen as a valuable resource. Nothing was wasted.

    Meat has one big drawback in that it wastes a lot of plant food and water in its production. As population increases humans will have to get most of their protein from other sources, beans, pulses, seafood etc. You also have the problem with waste gasses and animal excreta to contend with from an environmental viewpoint.

    I agree with most of this. Thanks. Good summary. I don't attack people for eating meat - feck it most of the people I know eat it with relish, including the humans I gave birth to! - but there is terrible cruelty involved in the meat industry, and I find that disgusting. The least we could do as creatures with a higher intelligence is seriously consider how much of it we NEED to eat, and how we go about producing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Makes need difference to me.

    It lived a cruel life, and welcomed death for me to eat. Or it lived a happy, and full of joy life. Only to be executed for me to eat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Makes need difference to me.

    It lived a cruel life, and welcomed death for me to eat. Or it lived a happy, and full of joy life. Only to be executed for me to eat.

    That's dark, man :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Malayalam wrote: »
    That's dark, man :pac:

    But true. A life lived to be slaughtered for my food is no life at all. Therefore, it really doesn’t matter what kind of life it lived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,760 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Chicken is bland and boring, any other meat of seafood is better imo


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    mad muffin wrote: »
    But true. A life lived to be slaughtered for my food is no life at all. Therefore, it really doesn’t matter what kind of life it lived.

    Okay, I'll bite.

    So, one possibility is you do not consider animals to be sentient, or capable of suffering, unlike humans. In which case you are a higher form of life than the unsentient creature and should therefore act from higher principles, ensuring that it does not suffer, because another creature suffering under your watch is demeaning to you. It shows that you are not very much more evolved than that creature, intellectually or emotionally, because of an inability to practice being humane.
    The other possibility is that you do consider animals to be sentient and capable of suffering, just like humans, and in spite of this are content to disregard their quality of life, just because they will be slaughtered in the end for food. This is not the way humans have traditionally treated animals reared for food - the quality of their animals life was a reflection of the quality of their human life. And thus animals - even those reared for food - have through human history generally been treated humanely.

    If we saw someone starving their dog or horse or donkey or flaying them or absuing them, we would automatically feel that it reflects on their inner nature as a human being. How we treat the animals we eat does likewise. In my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I eat more chicken than any man ever seen.

    But seriously, I buy free range Chicken from aldi and free range Pork from FX Buckley’s (all their pork is free range). Welfare aside, the quality of the meat is worth the extra few bob itself. And I’ll buy a whole chicken, roast it and strip the carcass and make stock so it all gets used. It’s probably cheaper than buying packs of chicken breasts. I also like beef and I think animal welfare for cows here is pretty good. My missus is veggie and I’ll have vegie chili once a week.

    I feel more concern over seafood than chickens TBH. But. I’ll still eat muscles and prawns and stuff because they are tasty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I love chicken, I would say it makes up over two thirds of my meat consumption. If you looked at the source of any meat or fish you would see it's far from growing on a tree in a carbon neutral environment of your back garden it's sourced.

    2\3 ? You dont just love chicken - you have a chicken problem. I think you need to start going to Chickens Anonymous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I sure does boss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    AllForIt wrote: »
    2\3 ? You dont just love chicken - you have a chicken problem. I think you need to start going to Chickens Anonymous.

    But reducing his chicken intake just increases his beef intake. Then he can quit CA but probably needs to go to BA.

    Then he reduces his beef intake and increase his chicken intake. Back to CA with him.

    Its just a vicious circle really.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I don't rate chicken for anything but a sandwich snack. It just doesn't fill me. I'm very much a red meat eater.

    How they are reared doesn't really bother me. What gets my goat is people who lament the poor creatures being reared for our gratification, renouncing the eating of meat and then (like a neighbour here) seek out the cheapest (and probably worse animal welfare) sources of raw chicken to feed to their cats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    AllForIt wrote: »
    2\3 ? You dont just love chicken - you have a chicken problem. I think you need to start going to Chickens Anonymous.

    But reducing his chicken intake just increases his beef intake. Then he can quit CA but probably needs to go to BA.

    Then he reduces his beef intake and increase his chicken intake. Back to CA with him.

    Its just a vicious circle really.

    Don't be ridiculous..theres no such thing as Beefs Anonamous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    I don't rate chicken for anything but a sandwich snack. It just doesn't fill me. I'm very much a red meat eater.

    How they are reared doesn't really bother me. What gets my goat is people who lament the poor creatures being reared for our gratification, renouncing the eating of meat and then (like a neighbour here) seek out the cheapest (and probably worse animal welfare) sources of raw chicken to feed to their cats.

    I'd say to find chickens for cat-food that have been reared in a crueler way than your regular broiler/sandwich chicken as shown in the video, the workers would have to be actively boxing those babies in the kisser from morning till evening and then kicking them mercilessly round the yard all night for good measure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Malayalam wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/videos/world-news/video-harrowing-footage-released-of-animal-abuse-at-chicken-farm-37026816.html


    It's about 2 minutes long. Worth a watch. I don't know, what does it take to get people to make enquiries about what they eat?
    It's disgusting, in my opinion, what that video shows, and I'm sure it's pretty normal in that industry, but that probably makes me an insufferable vegetarian, or something. I would maybe...maybe...eat a bit of meat ocasionally if it was humanely produced. Fact is, it very rarely is. If an alien landed on earth and saw our regular meat industry they would quite reasonably think we are savages.

    Couldn't care less. If it taste nice, i'll eat it. It's life beforehand means nothing to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Couldn't care less. If it taste nice, i'll eat it. It's life beforehand means nothing to me.

    You won't be saying that when you come back next life as a nice tasty chicken :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Chicken is bland and boring, any other meat of seafood is better imo

    Chicken breast is a bit dull but I could eat thigh fillets all day long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Chicken breast is a bit dull but I could eat thigh fillets all day long.

    Thighs are the best! No idea how chicken breasts are so popular when thigh is so much more flavoursome. Isn't even much higher in fat when the skin is taken off, not that I would ever do such a thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,186 ✭✭✭Liamalone


    Pmsl @ part time vegetarian


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Liamalone wrote: »
    Pmsl @ part time vegetarian

    You should do pelvic floor strengthening exercises. That's an unpleasant problem that will get worse as you age ;)


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Liamalone wrote: »
    Pmsl @ part time vegetarian

    Lots of people have meat-free days. I make a few dinners a week with no meat like a pasta bake or vege curry. Many people don't make the change to vegetarian but minimize their meat consumption for various reasons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    I'm allergic to red meat so I eat a lot of chicken. I try to ensure that what I'm eating is ethically sourced so I buy from a local supplier from a shop that I know places importance on their suppliers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,558 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Candie wrote: »
    Lots of people have meat-free days. I make a few dinners a week with no meat like a pasta bake or vege curry. Many people don't make the change to vegetarian but minimize their meat consumption for various reasons.
    Same here. I don't actually make a conscious effort though to have meat free, or even vegan, days, but occasionally they just happen as a side effect of having a varied and healthy diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Candie wrote: »
    Lots of people have meat-free days. I make a few dinners a week with no meat like a pasta bake or vege curry. Many people don't make the change to vegetarian but minimize their meat consumption for various reasons.

    Difference between a meat free day and claiming to be vegetarian while also eating meat every now and again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭Benjamin Buttons


    I like eating chicken as long as it doesn't taste like chicken, which it never does these days. So it's all gravy.....so to speak!


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