Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

17-06-2018 02:57PM

I have a bet with a mate from when we were over at the Euros that Pogba wouldn't play in another CL final so I certainly had reservations about him.

However in his first season at times he was like a breath of fresh air. Driving forward from midfield and playing quick accurate passing while showing a level of physicality and skill when protecting the ball in the middle that I'd rarely seen in a United midfielder.

He had a bad time of it this season at times but especially in the 2nd half of the season there were players overloading his area of the pitch meaning he wasn't able to play in a way that suits him and is reduced to staying deep and trying to put the ball through the eye of a needle constantly.

Even look at yesterday where people will say he played badly. Played the ball through brilliantly for the penalty and forced the 2nd goal with a great surging run.

I do have a huge problem with the laziness that he is showing these days that I don't think was overly present in his first season and something needs to be done about that whether it's playing him closer to the striker where he doesn't have the responsibility to chase back or putting the fire up his arse so to speak. It's definitely a tricky situation but between him and Jose they are getting paid enough to sort it out.

Lord TSC · 17-06-2018 02:57PM

https://streamja.com/W6yA

Matic getting into trouble

DM_7 · 17-06-2018 02:58PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Don't mean this as disrespectful, but hindsight is a beautiful thing. It's easier now after a difficult two years with us to sit back and say nobody thought he was that great with Juventus and only showed some potential. I remember at the time of signing him most critics or sceptics were more or less shot down, pointing to his departure and Ferguson's comments as the main source of their concern or disapproval.

Despite concerns being raised by a lot (myself included) about the difference in quality of the supporting cast in Juventus compared to here, to say that the majority of people did not view Pogba of being outstanding during his time at Juventus I would deem as false.

Before joining us he was named in the Serie A team of the season for 3 consecutive seasons. He was a key part of that dominating Juventus side and was acknowledged for his performances by both official awards and public opinion.

To be honest most people never watched him at Juve anyway.

KH25 · 17-06-2018 02:59PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

https://streamja.com/W6yA

Matic getting into trouble

Don’t think he really did much. It was the Costa Rican lad acting the bollox.

beno619 · 17-06-2018 03:20PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I get the reservations, some people had them, but I don't get people spinning it to make out that overall we didn't rate him at being outstanding at the time and more so looked at him as a potentially great player.

Im not trying to spin anything so I'll assume your addressing other posters here. I certainly didn't rate him as being an outstanding player.

Adamocovic · 17-06-2018 03:25PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

What hindsight?

That's fair enough but I'd wager that hadn't been a universally agreed opinion at the time. I had a passage where I wasn't keen on Pogba joining too. Same with José.

I just tied in all the replies as part of the response. I'm sure when you went back to find those you saw same reaction I saw looking back. It wasn't really a case of the majority being worried at the risk involved in it was a place thinking we signed a player about to have a huge impact.

I'm not saying its wrong to change opinions on Pogba and highlight the risks that were involved at the time, I just don't believe the concerns everyone now discuss about his signings were as widely accepted or believed as people tend to like to remember hence the hindsight comment.

As I said there were people who had and voiced them but the overwhelming feeling was delight in getting what many thought was not only one of the most promising young players but already one of the best midfielders in the world.

Adamocovic · 17-06-2018 03:39PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't think that is what anybody actually said.

You can look at a great prospect and believe that as a prospect he has done brilliantly, but still have concerns about whether he can recreate that in a different environment or if he can take the next step. If he can go from prospect doing well to world class senior player doing well.

You could state that Pogba done brilliantly as a young player for a huge club like Juventus, but also wonder how much of it was due to his support and question if he can move to another level again. They are not mutually exclusive.

Don't know about that. Whole debate started after I made comment about Savic at Lazio and then added how Pogba was outstanding during his time at Juventus, which didn't translate to the team as we had thought.

Then the replies came from people stating they didn't believe he was outstanding at Juventus and how the majority of people didn't, rather thought he was doing well for his age and had potential but wasn't consistent for Juventus or as big of as impact as their other midfielders.

Sorry on mobile so can't see the previous replies exactly but that was the jist. Fair enough for those who did feel this and now having a chance to justify and prove their view but I don't agree that these views were held by the majority of fans and users here at the time.

beno619 · 17-06-2018 03:50PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Then the replies came from people stating they didn't believe he was outstanding at Juventus and how the majority of people didn't, rather thought he was doing well for his age and had potential but wasn't consistent for Juventus or as big of as impact as their other midfielders.

You're the only poster who has used the word majority.

Adamocovic · 17-06-2018 04:05PM

beno619 wrote: »

You're the only poster who has used the word majority.

Well perhaps that was my mistake so.

It's how I interpreted the replies but hands up if I did so wrong.

bucketybuck · 17-06-2018 04:18PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Don't know about that. Whole debate started after I made comment about Savic at Lazio and then added how Pogba was outstanding during his time at Juventus, which didn't translate to the team as we had thought.

Then the replies came from people stating they didn't believe he was outstanding at Juventus and how the majority of people didn't, rather thought he was doing well for his age and had potential but wasn't consistent for Juventus or as big of as impact as their other midfielders.

Which comes back around to my own original point, in that I thought that a common consensus at the time was that Pogba had done very well at Juventus and that he was an outstanding prospect, but that the Pirlo/Vidal question pointed towards a very real risk.

It was also noted at the time that we were not paying world record fees for the level of performance he had shown at Juve, but because there was the potential there to step up to another level again.

Its only idle talk but I do have to say, if those two points were not accepted at the time then Pogba would not have gotten half the criticism he has in the 2 years since. People wondered if he could fit into the team and if he would make the step up, they were watching for it specifically and those specific criticisms duly followed.

jayo26 · 17-06-2018 05:38PM

Only ever seen Lozano in fifa but he looks just as decent in real game.

How Soon Is Now · 17-06-2018 10:18PM

Khedira way off the pace tonight just as Manduzukic was last night hope there part of any deal involving bringing any Juve players in.

I didn't see a lot the second half of the Serbia match but anything seen of Savic today he looked very good. I haven't seen an awful lot of him but based on what I've seen of himself and Pogba this season I know who I'd rather have going into the new season especially seeing as he plays alongside Matic already.

I dunno the more I see I've lost patience with Pogba and I think his attitude Is his biggest problem. I'd love him to turn it around but I just don't see it based on him for most of last season and world cup so far.

Cantona's Collars · 17-06-2018 10:37PM

Brazil played this evening and within hours the press bring out the "Willian to United" stories.

Trigger · 18-06-2018 08:50AM

Very good Players Tribune article from Lukaku, talking about when he was a kid and his drive and hunger.

Much too long to quote so here’s the link

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say

Mitch Connor · 18-06-2018 09:18AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Brazil played this evening and within hours the press bring out the "Willian to United" stories.

I don't understand your beef here, to be honest.

Willian is a player United have been linked with for ages - a big favourite of Jose and whom is a big fan of Jose (it seems). If Brazil had not been playing yesterday would you have had an issue with the links?

I don't think we are going to sign him - looks like Chelsea will get Sarri in, and I reckon Willian is a player he'd like to keep, and I reckon Willian will be happy to stay at Chelsea and give it a chance under him - had Conte stayed (never gonna happen, imo) then Willian would have looked to move (again, imo)

Drumpot · 18-06-2018 09:49AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Brazil played this evening and within hours the press bring out the "Willian to United" stories.

Shows how anybody here could get into journalism. I’ve seen way more insightful thoughts from posters here then you read in the rags...

Criteria to be a sports journalist:

- be a dick and not afraid to tear somebody apart, act like your words do not require you to take any responsibility for their potential outcome
- make guesstimates about who might sign for popular clubs
- put your finger in the air to gauge what’s popular and run with it
- check bookies odds for guide on transfer possibilities
- talk to guys at bar about what they think, write confidently , with authority
- talk like you are in the know and in with players (think Balague)
- learn to write articulately , can compensate for lack of substance

Cantona's Collars · 18-06-2018 09:56AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't understand your beef here, to be honest.

Willian is a player United have been linked with for ages - a big favourite of Jose and whom is a big fan of Jose (it seems). If Brazil had not been playing yesterday would you have had an issue with the links?

I don't think we are going to sign him - looks like Chelsea will get Sarri in, and I reckon Willian is a player he'd like to keep, and I reckon Willian will be happy to stay at Chelsea and give it a chance under him - had Conte stayed (never gonna happen, imo) then Willian would have looked to move (again, imo)

Where in my post do I come across as having a beef against Willian? My point was how lazy journalism has become.
A player previously linked to United is on TV and shortly after another story linking him to the club reappears.

Adamocovic · 18-06-2018 10:06AM

England tonight. Doubtful but fingers crossed Big Phil Jones gets himself on the pitch.

England are actually dark horses I think this year. I know as Irish fans we aren't expected to want to see them do well and I get people will slate me for this but I hope they can do well considering we have players involved in the team. (More so than other teams)

I get that people argue the media won't let up if they did somehow win but I could maybe live with that with the image of Phil Jones hoisting the trophy after a rocket volley to win it.

Trigger · 18-06-2018 10:08AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

England tonight. Doubtful but fingers crossed Big Phil Jones gets himself on the pitch.

England are actually dark horses I think this year. I know as Irish fans we aren't expected to want to see them do well and I get people will slate me for this but I hope they can do well considering we have players involved in the team. (More so than other teams)

I get that people argue the media won't let up if they did somehow win but I could maybe live with that with the image of Phil Jones hoisting the trophy after a rocket volley to win it.

Meh I hope they get dumped out and the players involved can go of on their hols and get back early to have a decent preseason. Would definitely put United before England anyways

Mitch Connor · 18-06-2018 10:10AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Where in my post do I come across as having a beef against Willian? My point was how lazy journalism has become.
A player previously linked to United is on TV and shortly after another story linking him to the club reappears.

Where in my post do I say you have a beef against Willian?

My point is that the article is United linked to bid for player United continually linked to, for more than 12 months.

I don't understand why that is an issue at all, and I would honestly doubt it is based on him playing yesterday. I would only be calling lazy journalism if it was some random player United had not previously been linked to, and who had a great game yesterday; where it was clear the link was simply 'United might be after latest tv star'.

Adamocovic · 18-06-2018 10:13AM

astradave wrote: »

Adamocovic wrote: »

England tonight. Doubtful but fingers crossed Big Phil Jones gets himself on the pitch.

England are actually dark horses I think this year. I know as Irish fans we aren't expected to want to see them do well and I get people will slate me for this but I hope they can do well considering we have players involved in the team. (More so than other teams)

I get that people argue the media won't let up if they did somehow win but I could maybe live with that with the image of Phil Jones hoisting the trophy after a rocket volley to win it.

Meh I hope they get dumped out and the players involved can go of on their hols and get back early to have a decent preseason. Would definitely put United before England anyways

Don't get me wrong, I put United ahead of them easily. Maybe after years and years of rooting against them I'm changing with age :P

Last time around I wasn't too bothered, this time I'm not hoping they get dumped out embarrassingly. In my world cup predictor at work (IT guy created an awesome excel file for it) I have them getting to the Semi-Finals haha some stick I got in work!

I watched Lingard and Rashford teammates quiz the other day as part of world cup build up. Was gas really. Turns out in the photo of Rashford and Neymar they were talking about the weather haha! Lingard was having none of it.

paulbok · 18-06-2018 10:37AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

England tonight. Doubtful but fingers crossed Big Phil Jones gets himself on the pitch.

England are actually dark horses I think this year. I know as Irish fans we aren't expected to want to see them do well and I get people will slate me for this but I hope they can do well considering we have players involved in the team. (More so than other teams)

I get that people argue the media won't let up if they did somehow win but I could maybe live with that with the image of Phil Jones hoisting the trophy after a rocket volley to win it.

Apart for 2 maybe 3 players. They have a bang average team and squad compared to previous tournaments, so I don't see how they can be dark horses. And they are all forward playing, so they will struggle defensively.
They should still get out of their group and may even get through the second round as they got a favourable group and draw. But after that they will come up against quality teams.

Mitch Connor · 18-06-2018 10:47AM

paulbok wrote: »

Apart for 2 maybe 3 players. They have a bang average team and squad compared to previous tournaments, so I don't see how they can be dark horses. And they are all forward playing, so they will struggle defensively.
They should still get out of their group and may even get through the second round as they got a favourable group and draw. But after that they will come up against quality teams.

Imo they have enough good/competent players that if Southgate can get them to click they have a good chance of going far. They have less stars than Brazil or Germany for example, but neither did much over the weekend. England have better players, imo, than Mexico, but Mexico showed vs Germany that team approach goes far. Sure even look at Leicster.

England have players that, if they play well, can hurt anyone - Kane, Sterling, Lingard, Ali - just need to click. Not that I make them favourites, but they have a good chance

jayo26 · 18-06-2018 11:00AM

I think England have a better chance then they have in the past 20 years. They don't have as good a squad as they had in the so called golden generation but they have a hard working squad with the tight mix of flair and talent and hard working.

In my opinion the only one that will let them down is the same person that has made them so strong and that's Southgate. He has done a great job of getting the team together and managing expectations but I think if they fall shirt it will be tactically against a Brazilian or German team.

Lord TSC · 18-06-2018 11:49AM

Reports Lindelof will miss today's game due to illness

MagicIRL · 18-06-2018 11:50AM

What an interview with Big Rom.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=worldcup18&utm_term=Lukaku

He's some boyo. Fair ****ing play to him.

jayo26 · 18-06-2018 12:17PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

What an interview with Big Rom.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=worldcup18&utm_term=Lukaku

He's some boyo. Fair ****ing play to him.

Never forget seen this pic for the first time hahaha

free upload image

Imagine lining up against that as a kid.

pjohnson · 18-06-2018 12:24PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Never forget seen this pic for the first time hahaha

free upload image

Imagine lining up against that as a kid.

Wouldn't want to be the ref either tbh :pac:

IamtheWalrus · 18-06-2018 01:02PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

England tonight. Doubtful but fingers crossed Big Phil Jones gets himself on the pitch.

England are actually dark horses I think this year. I know as Irish fans we aren't expected to want to see them do well and I get people will slate me for this but I hope they can do well considering we have players involved in the team. (More so than other teams)

I get that people argue the media won't let up if they did somehow win but I could maybe live with that with the image of Phil Jones hoisting the trophy after a rocket volley to win it.

I'm supporting Portugal first (for CR7) then Engerland (would I like them to win? hmmm.. but it won't happen).

Lithium93_ · 18-06-2018 01:23PM

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/1008686112070619137

Manchester United and Juventus have a meeting planned for Wednesday to try and get Darmian transfer over the line.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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