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Hereditary

  • 30-01-2018 4:57pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭


    There seems to be a good buzz about this (in that it's actually scary!)

    Stars Toni Collette and Gabriel Byrne.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭gazzer


    Thats a very unnerving trailer :):) Looking forward to seeing this.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    Oooh, that has me interested :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Some Ozzie guy posted the first review on YouTube. Sounds pretty amazing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    *googles*

    That's pretty high..

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hereditary/
    100%
    Average Rating: 9/10
    Reviews Counted: 30


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Then you have incidents like this, which is publicity you just can't buy: a cinema in Australia accidentally played the trailer for Hereditary before 'Peter Rabbit', apparently traumatising the children (and probably some of the parents) in the cinema

    I do feel a little sorry for the poor wee mites that were scared, but it's still kinda hilarious :D

    https://mashable.com/2018/04/27/hereditary-trailer-peter-rabbit-screening/?europe=true&#Dazips1K7OqI


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Apparently it has an etsy shop:
    https://www.etsy.com/shop/CraftsByCharlieG

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-scariest-movie-of-the-year-has-an-equally-creepy-et-1826427097
    The Scariest Movie of the Year Has an Equally Creepy Etsy Shop
    The site has 18 sculptures listed in total, all of which have already been sold. It promises new sculptures every week, but we don’t know if fans can actually buy them or if the film’s distributor is just posting them as a clever piece of online marketing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    5 stars in the Guardian. Laughed at this quote:
    It was the first time I’ve heard someone in an audience of hardened critics yelp the word “Fu-uck” in two separate syllables; the first in fear, the second in a kind of immediate, incredulous self-reproach for having lost it in public.

    Really excited to see this now, can't wait to see this. Genuine buzz about Toni Collette picking up awards for this too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/01/hereditary-review-horror-toni-collette-brilliant-fear


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Mr E wrote: »
    5 stars in the Guardian. Laughed at this quote:



    Really excited to see this now, can't wait to see this. Genuine buzz about Toni Collette picking up awards for this too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/01/hereditary-review-horror-toni-collette-brilliant-fear

    I've never seen a horror movie at the cinema, only tend to watch at home.

    Is the scare factor is greater in the cinema, or is it lessened because you hear other people giggling etc?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The problem with hyped up horror flicks is that scares are as subjective as any other emotional response; Hereditary looks like a dread infused nightmare, but if they weren't so successful, jump scares wouldn't account for so many box office horror films. I don't really have a point here, only that there'll be the inevitable hype backlash...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez




    Impressive, an A. Looking forward to this one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    They way he gives his impression of the film make it sound really tense and creepy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    mrcheez wrote: »
    I've never seen a horror movie at the cinema, only tend to watch at home.

    Is the scare factor is greater in the cinema, or is it lessened because you hear other people giggling etc?


    any horror ive been to in the cinema the audience has been very good and there to immerse themselves in it.and it defintely adds to it.the big screen the darkness etc.
    like at the movie a quiet place i couldnt believe how quiet the audience were.there are parts in that movie when there is no sound on screen at all.you could hear a pin drop it was excellent in every sense.
    i cant wait to see this one in the cinema.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    I do recall seeing the Sloth scene in Se7en at the cinema all those years ago, and the jump scare I got when he woke up is still in my mind to this day. It must have partly been because the audience screamed in fright, so yeah maybe the cinema will be worth it for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    bob says it's scary..


  • Posts: 21,679 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When I watch horror films in the cinema I have to keep my legs tucked under me because I get scared something will grab at them down in the dark footwell :( This one is definitely on my list though. It's been ages since I had a good proper film fright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭SK1979


    Looking forward to seeing this in the cinema.

    In response to whether it's scarier, it's all relative. I remember seeing IT in the cinema and while I didn't find it particularly scary, it was definitely one of the best experiences in the recent past due to the other people getting scared sh it less. :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭SK1979


    Looking forward to seeing this in the cinema.

    In response to whether it's scarier, it's all relative. I remember seeing IT in the cinema and while I didn't find it particularly scary, it was definitely one of the best experiences in the recent past due to the other people getting scared sh it less. :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Slydice wrote: »
    bob says it's scary..

    scariest part of that video is how the guy doesnt pause for breath :O


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Hmm, I'm just back from it and I don't know. Toni Colette is outstanding. One of the best horror performances I've ever seen. The rest of the movie feels like familiar horror tropes done well. Yes, they are done well and some shots and lingering tension are quite good, but I did feel that there was a lack of originality.

    And like comedy, I know horror can be subjective. I found it creepy and even uncomfortable but never really frightening or scary. Again, the ending feels like a hodge-podge of a few other horrors. I never thought it reached the scary heights of modern horror classes like REC, The Orphanage or It Follows.

    Anyway, I found it to be a well crafted movie with a superb central performance but ultimately unoriginal and never really impresses. I already see it in "Best Horror Movie Ever" and billed as a most-see horror. It is good, but I just don't see it as THAT good.

    Given the buzz around it, I may find myself in the minority though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭saintsaltynuts


    Yeah definitely agree with Simon above just back from it myself.Thought was a really good horror movie one of the best from the last few years.Toni Colette was great and there was a few genuine scary enough eerie moments bordering on disturbing one in particular scene. My advice is go see in the cinema in the dark a top popcorn horror movie it is but doesn't push into the great realms of The Exorcist Or Rosemary's Baby like it was going for.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 LGadd14


    Saw it this afternoon and I'm still reeling from it. However, I'm a bit irritated by the label it's receiving of 'scariest movie ever' because it creates all sorts of ridiculous expectations that it is never going to live up to for people. There are some who consider something to be 'scary' if it makes them jump and this film does not rely on those types of scares like other horror flicks like the Paranormal Activity series or the James Wan films. So just a word of warning to keep expectations in check in that regard.
    For a directorial debut this is a really impressive achievement, containing so many chilling sequences and a very high level of tension throughout. Excellent performances from the cast too. I was a little bit uncertain of the territory it entered during the second half but upon reflection it had been foreshadowed superbly during the early stages that I'm much more accepting of it. It's also the kind of film that will be even more rewarding upon repeat viewings, as there are quite a few very creepy moments that a lot of people might miss the first time round due to how subtle they are and certain character interactions carry a lot more emotional weight.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    An outstanding slice of horror filmmaking (with a few dashes of black comedy). You will legitimately struggle to find a better made film in the genre outside some of the obvious classics and a few exemplary contemporary efforts (It Follows stands out as another example where the horror was in the filmmaking itself as much as the literal creepy happenings). In terms of actual craft, this is one in a thousand.

    From that ominous, slow-moving pan and zoom that opens proceedings, it's immediately clear Ari Aster is a gifted director, aided in no small part by Pawel Pogorzelski behind the camera. It is a film full of witty, impactful visual ideas: the central diorama motif; the extraordinary use of all sorts of lighting and shadows to craft deep, ominous and dynamic compositions; little jolts of perspective or unusual camera tilts to add to the unease; the elegant smash and match cuts that casually leap through time without losing any momentum. It's made with real purpose and intelligence, but of course all towards crafting a memorably haunting mood.

    Important note: see this in a cinema with proper projection - haphazard or dim projection will mean you'll lose quite a bit of the visual nuance here.

    Special shout out to Colin Stetson and his spectacular scoring work. I've been a fan of his expressive, mysterious music for a few years now, and his work here is top tier. While it brilliantly amplifies the most horrific moments without cheap soaring strings, I particularly love how it lingers, pulsating aggressively, during moments of quiet and downtime - really helps maintain the mood and sense of dread between the big moments. Indeed, the film excels more generally when it comes to giving things a chance to breathe. Scenes and shots last longer than they would in other similar films, allowing the atmosphere to really seep in. And when the camera moves, it often takes its time to get to where its going... one late film sequence in particular sees the camera casually lingering past dark walls as something terrifying lurks in the shadows.

    It is, it goes without saying, a pretty creepy experience. Certainly much of what's here is familiar, and certainly moments where it goes full supernatural to mixed effect. But mostly this is a carefully paced thriller, the moments of shock & awe (
    the dinner table blow-up, the party gone wrong, the school meltdowns
    ) capably matched by stretches of building towards the inevitable explosions. Especially towards the end, there's a definite argument to be made that it over-explains (
    boasts a killer final shot and a few delightfully grizzly moments in the lead-up, mind you
    ). Mostly, though, this is a well designed horror machine - and, crucially, the ****ed-up familial dynamics at the centre of it all are realised with gusto and without much superfluous explanation. And, while there's one notable
    and slightly awkward exposition dump in the final minutes
    , Aster also allows much more subtle links and ideas to emerge naturally and without overt explanation over the course of the film.

    While Toni Collette obviously does great things with the most demanding role, definite praise for the two younger co-stars is needed too - Milly Shapiro portrays a deeply disturbed predominantly through crazed expressions, while Alex Wolff handles his character's more prolonged descent into madness with great effect.

    It is, at its foundation, a horror movie that delivers a satisfying mix of the expected and the surprising - its tropes matched by other moments that go beyond what the audience is likely expecting. On its own, that would make for a pleasingly creepy night out at the cinema... but the magnificently accomplished direction, visuals and sound design are what really sell this impressively chilling and pleasingly unhinged film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Cineworld on Parnell St have good projection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    Saw it last night and I'd never seen as little movement and noise at the end of a movie before, the whole screen remained still and quite for a good minute after the end. A real feeling of 'what the hell did I just watch' seemed to wash over everyone. I felt it was absolutely incredible, one of the most disturbing and creepy films I've ever seen. A can see a lot of people going in expecting Conjuring ghosts jumping into frame scares and being disappointed but I'd be shocked if a better horror film was released this year (or next year tbh).

    Also, another shout for the acting. Toni Collette has to be a shoe in for an Oscar nomination, even at this early stage I can't imagine 5 plus better performances than she put in here occurring. The kids were excellent also, the daughter so creepy it really set the tone I felt and you can see the son is nailed on to be a star, he has the looks and now I can see has the acting chops. Even our own Gabriel Byrne was perfect in his almost 'audience member in the movie' role.

    All in all just a real thinker with so many subtleties that you'll have to be thinking about it and even see it a second time (though I'll probably wait for home release). A real look at the destruction of a family through mental illness
    (or at least we think for a while)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Cineworld on Parnell St have good projection?

    I personally find it very hit and miss, and even the hits are just ‘grand’. Making your way down to the Lighthouse is a much safer bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Didn't know any hype about it until I was walking in the cinema and noticed the poster had loads of 5 star reviews

    I tend to be very skeptical of Horror films with high reviews- I got stung before with Babadook which had great reviews but I found it very dull

    But this was such a welcome surprise, was so good, great at building the suspense and there was a few jump scares that really got me.

    Someone mentioned Gabriel Byrne earlier, and he was probably the only minor flaw for me - dunno if he was the right casting, should have got someone younger to play the husband.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Someone mentioned Gabriel Byrne earlier, and he was probably the only minor flaw for me - dunno if he was the right casting, should have got someone younger to play the husband.
    I actually thought it fit well that considering her upbringing with her mother that she'd have been taken in by an older man who could have looked after her at the time. I may have been over thinking it though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    correction wrote: »
    I actually thought it fit well that considering her upbringing with her mother that she'd have been taken in by an older man who could have looked after her at the time. I may have been over thinking it though

    That's a very fair take on it
    I just assumed it was Hollywood being Hollywood and ignoring the glaring age gap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    I tend to be very skeptical of Horror films with high reviews- I got stung before with Babadook which had great reviews but I found it very dull

    Ditto, and the kid was so freaking annoying I wanted to strangle him. :eek:
    wp_rathead wrote: »
    But this was such a welcome surprise, was so good, great at building the suspense and there was a few jump scares that really got me.

    Nice


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  • Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Space Dog


    correction wrote: »
    Saw it last night and I'd never seen as little movement and noise at the end of a movie before, the whole screen remained still and quite for a good minute after the end. A real feeling of 'what the hell did I just watch' seemed to wash over everyone. I felt it was absolutely incredible, one of the most disturbing and creepy films I've ever seen. A can see a lot of people going in expecting Conjuring ghosts jumping into frame scares and being disappointed but I'd be shocked if a better horror film was released this year (or next year tbh).

    Also, another shout for the acting. Toni Collette has to be a shoe in for an Oscar nomination, even at this early stage I can't imagine 5 plus better performances than she put in here occurring.

    It's funny you mention people remaining quiet, in my screening quite a few people laughed or giggled at the end. I have to say I had to laugh as well,
    the last 10 minutes were quite bonkers tbf
    .
    That's not to say I didn't like the film, I actually loved it, it was tense, disturbing and had some nicely absurd and comic streaks. The cinematography was terrific, wonderful colour palette and framing. I have to say a few images have stayed with me (
    like the daughter's head covered with ants
    ). It's gonna divide audiences for sure, my OH hated it.
    Toni Collette really is amazing in this, well she always is. Hopefully she can secure an Oscar nom now that genre movies are not that frowned upon anymore. She won't win though obviously...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    I personally find it very hit and miss, and even the hits are just ‘grand’. Making your way down to the Lighthouse is a much safer bet.

    The Lighthouse is my go-to cinema. I saw this in screen 2 but it had an awful strong smell of paint (or something similar). I presume it came from the renovations of screen 1 next door. I had a headache because of it by the end though :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    I rarely disagree with Mark Kermode but I thought this would be one of those times. So I was surprised to hear he also had a lukewarm reaction to the movie, which I totally agree with:



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    I caught this last night and thought it was a really well-executed film with some very good use of sound, phenomenal photography and fantastic performances, but let down very slightly by the pacing of the second act. It reminded me of The Wailing in that regard, though I think Hereditary's pacing and runtime were more judicious than The Wailing's.

    One thing I will acknowledge about the pacing is that, in the first act, there are various things which happen and indicate a specific direction for the story (
    including a delightful hiding-in-plain-sight hint about the plot when Annie mentions the brother who hanged himself because the grandmother "was trying to put people inside him"
    . The second act starts with a shock and successfully convinced me that the narrative coming into focus was more akin to
    The Babadook's story of grief examined through a supernatural framing device
    , so when the third act began I was pleasantly surprised to see that expectation subverted and something more like
    Kill List, or maybe The Omen
    coming to the fore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Saw this... everything was great except
    the unnecessary closing speech. Do people need everything to be spelled out for them these days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Just back from this.

    Trailer looked great, All the reviews were 5 Star, Lots of Hype ?????

    One of the most boring films I've ever seen. I Love the horror/thriller/mystery genre but this was rubbish.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I didn't like it either, ridiculously overhyped. There was one scene at the beginning that was quite unsettling but the rest did nothing.
    Great cinematography alright and good performances but the ending also raised sniggers in the screening I was at, with one or two "WTF was that?".

    Saying that, my wife enjoyed it, bit I found the studio's previous effort, The VVItch much better.

    Also, the daughter looks like Piers Morgan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,302 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I rarely disagree with Mark Kermode but I thought this would be one of those times. So I was surprised to hear he also had a lukewarm reaction to the movie, which I totally agree with:

    I love Mark Kermode and I agree with his review tbh.
    I thought it would be right up his street, but it is not the the witch and not the babadook (never mind the exorcist). I liked a lot of the film, it was creepy and tense but I can't honestly say I was scared at all.
    It was terrifically well shot and clearly cinema literate but not a wholly satisfying film for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,302 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    The Lighthouse is my go-to cinema. I saw this in screen 2 but it had an awful strong smell of paint (or something similar). I presume it came from the renovations of screen 1 next door. I had a headache because of it by the end though :(
    That's where I saw it today as well and totally agree very strong smell coming from screen 1 renovations but only on way in for me and didn't spoil experience.

    Love the lighthouse BTW... I went to see a film in Vue liffey Valley during the week... Horrendous crowd and the cinema was manky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Completely average horror movie with 2-3 okay scenes (The
    little sisters death and aftermath
    was genuinely brilliant, pity the whole film couldn't maintain anything near that level), utterly laughable to claim its the scariest film ever made though, embarrassed for all the reviewers saying that, and there seem to be a good few.

    Gabriel Byrne in the most phoned-in performance of his life. 100% average rating from critics and around 60% from audiences tells you its yet another overhyped piece of mediocrity, my screening seemed to mostly hate it anyway, sighs of relief when it was over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Someone mentioned Gabriel Byrne earlier, and he was probably the only minor flaw for me - dunno if he was the right casting, should have got someone younger to play the husband.
    I actually thought that
    Gabriel Byrne would have turned out to be Toni Colette's father in some sort of messed up incest family.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Hereditary - 7/10

    This is a very strange one for me to review. I saw it yesterday morning and still feel like I need tome to process it, or a second viewing. There's so much to get excited about with A24 producing these throwback, atmospheric horror films (The VVitch, It Only Comes At Night). You get the feeling that these are horror films that are being made by people who really know the genre and how to create unnerving scenes. Most importantly, they understand the ineffectiveness of a jump scare and target other techniques to deliver their 'horror'.

    My main disappointment here is that they didn't push the scares or the disturbing scenes far enough. There's a point about midway through where they appear to visually reference Blue Velvet; the camera descends into the earth, foreshadowing the gloomy underworld that we are about to explore. I thought this was the cue for things to get really messed up but it actually becomes a more conventional, plot driven horror. I was really hoping to see something a bit more extreme and I feel the first half of the film really sets you up for it. It just never really cranks up through those gears as much as you'd like.

    The films is at its best when the family members interact with one another, particularly any scenes with Toni Collette who is magnificent in this film. The family dynamic is so incredibly tense you can really feel the tenterhooks. The family is held together by a thread and the suspense comes from the inevitability that it will eventually break. I just hoped that there would be a bit more to it. The film is perhaps not as clever as it thinks it is.

    Seasoned horror fans are likely to be let down due to the hysterical over-hyping. My score is very much based on the fact that it could go either way after a repeat viewing. I'm still not sure if it is some kind of masterpiece or just a solidly crafted horror film. My first impressions are that it does not reach the heights of The VVitch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    RE: People laughing/giggling


    I almost did it myself....

    the scene where he slams his head in the desk and then it cuts to a wide shot of the class. There was one kid with his smartphone out recording it. Dunno why but i had to stop myself from doing a LOL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,302 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    El Duda wrote: »
    RE: People laughing/giggling


    I almost did it myself....

    the scene where he slams his head in the desk and then it cuts to a wide shot of the class. There was one kid with his smartphone out recording it. Dunno why but i had to stop myself from doing a LOL.
    I was close to laughing a few times as well I am afraid
    i think it was Gabriel Byrne driving in after son banging his head on desk multiple times....and toni colette came running at the car with a big pad of paper...not the time Toni! Not the time!


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Thargor wrote: »
    Completely average horror movie with 2-3 okay scenes (The
    little sisters death and aftermath
    was genuinely brilliant, pity the whole film couldn't maintain anything near that level), utterly laughable to claim its the scariest film ever made though, embarrassed for all the reviewers saying that, and there seem to be a good few.

    Gabriel Byrne in the most phoned-in performance of his life. 100% average rating from critics and around 60% from audiences tells you its yet another overhyped piece of mediocrity, my screening seemed to mostly hate it anyway, sighs of relief when it was over.




    I think you're being very harsh there.


    Out of interest, if that's your reaction to this, what do you think about Conjuring/Insidious films?


    What do you think about the lesser recent horrors like Ouija?


    What the hell would you think if you watched Wish Upon?!?! (the most laughably bad horror film of recent times)


    I can understand your disappointment but it doesn't deserve such vitriol imo. Hereditary is a much better horror film than most of the films I've listed above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    El Duda wrote: »
    I think you're being very harsh there.


    Out of interest, if that's your reaction to this, what do you think about Conjuring/Insidious films?


    What do you think about the lesser recent horrors like Ouija?


    What the hell would you think if you watched Wish Upon?!?! (the most laughably bad horror film of recent times)


    I can understand your disappointment but it doesn't deserve such vitriol imo. Hereditary is a much better horror film than most of the films I've listed above.

    I'm going to weight in on your questions.

    Firstly, I don't think Hereditary is a bad film. It is competently made with a excellent awards-worth performance by Colette, and an engaging first act. The problem I have is that the rest of the movie didn't live up to the premise of that first act and resorted to a lot of horror cliches I'd seen before in worse or better movies. There was a lack of originality. I think 3 stars is a fitting score, I could understand 4 stars if giving a bonus star for Colette, but I would find 5 stars hard to justify.

    In terms of those movies you mentioned. The first half of the first Insidious movie actually does have a few well orchestrated scares, including one of two shots where the camera just lingers for a while on something creepy (just like this movie does). The rest of that franchise wasn't great at all.

    I enjoyed the first Conjuring movie quite a lot but as a drama/thriller more than a horror. It didn't work for me as a horror at all but I found the story and characters quite engaging (I do have a soft spot for Vera Farmiga though). The sequel was rubbish.

    Ouija was utter rubbish.

    Some of my favourite horrors of recent years are:
    - Get Out
    - It Follows
    - The Babadook
    - REC
    - The Decent
    - The Orphanage
    - I also remember being pleasantly surprised by Oculus although I haven't seen it since its release and don't remember much about it.
    - The first Woman in Black was also surprisingly good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Nice post.

    I more of less agree with it all. Your list of fav recent horrors is very similar to mine. I also liked Oculus.


    The guys at RLM summed it up quite well for me. Whilst I do enjoy Conjuring/Insidious/James Wan films, they are like the Marvel of horror films. Hereditary/The Witch/The Babadook are true horror films.

    Jump scare horrors and atmospheric horrors are almost becoming two different genres.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Although I don't particularly like the Conjuring/Insidious/James Wan films, I wouldn't say they are any less of a horror film than The VVitch or Babadook (or The Exorcist or Psycho or Nosferatu). They have different story telling methodologies and techniques and are clearly targeted at different audiences, but that doesn't make one any less of a horror than another. Differences in quality, absolutely, but they are still all horror.

    I think a more apt comparison is the "cattle-prod" style of horror, as Kermode describes it. There is a large portion of the movie going public for whom the sign of an effective horror is a large number of jump scares. Others, such as myself, prefer the atmospheric or psychological horror. A Quiet Place has a combination of the two, and by far the most effective scares weren't the jump scares.

    Hereditary is certainly in the atmospheric sub-genre. The problem I have is that I didn't find that atmosphere to be particular scary or creepy. Sure, it was certainly terrifying for the characters themselves but that doesn't always transfer to the audience.

    But I'm aware it worked for a lot of people, and didn't work for others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    El Duda wrote: »
    I think you're being very harsh there.


    Out of interest, if that's your reaction to this, what do you think about Conjuring/Insidious films?


    What do you think about the lesser recent horrors like Ouija?


    What the hell would you think if you watched Wish Upon?!?! (the most laughably bad horror film of recent times)


    I can understand your disappointment but it doesn't deserve such vitriol imo. Hereditary is a much better horror film than most of the films I've listed above.
    Listing a load of bad films doesn't make this one any better :confused:

    I thought they were generally all boring and predictable and over reliant on jump scares like most modern horror, Hereditary was better because it did have some okay ideas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    Slightly off topic but as Insidious was mentioned a few posts ago, take a look at this scare:

    https://youtu.be/77qfJ-jj-Lw?t=2m5s

    It is initially well constructed. The camera lingers for a moment waiting for both the character and the audience to discover what is wrong. But then the whole effect is cheapened (if not ruined) by that totally unnecessary musical bang. Her scream would have been sufficient. It is like the filmmakers didn't have the confidence that the scare would have worked without that bang. The music turned that moment from an atmosphere scare to a jump scare..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Just back from this . Biggest load of pretentious arthouse twaddle masquerading as a horror film, I've ever seen. Tries so hard it had half the cinema in stitches every time it attempted to be scary. It's 2 hrs 30 but it actually felt like 4. Everyone kept checking their phones.

    Slick camera moves, discordant sound track and overly long takes are not new and does not a scary movie make .
    The few scares the film attempts are standard genre fair,
    'a cluck in the back of the car jump scare' , 'is that a shadow in the corner or my dead sister ' , ' spectre crawling along the ceiling.

    The basic structure of the film isn't really all that innovative. It's standard Rosemary baby /Omen 3 stuff, elevated by some decent performances, but stretched beyond all reason. You could genuinely cut an hour out of the movie and you wouldnt lose much in terms of plot.

    As for the that scene near the end where
    Toni Colettes headless body floats up to the tree house.
    That literally brought the house down in terms of laughter. And this wasn't a disrespectful crowd by any means, everyone was giving it its due willing to see where it was going, wasn't even a snicker up until about 2/3 of the way in. But by then it had become obvious to most just how far up its own posterior this film was and you could only laugh.


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