Ireland v Waltzing Matilda, test 1 build up thread.

arsebiscuits1 · 06-06-2018 4:57pm

Buer wrote: »

Bit of a bizarre team to pick for the opening test. Looks like Schmidt is trying to really build towards the RWC and is giving a number of Leinster guys who were heavily involved in recent weeks a rest.

If they need the rest, so be it. But I don't think that team is good enough to beat Australia.

I think that's a bit harsh.

Robdee is a pretty formidable centre partnership and the back 3 is that one that started all the Slam games.

It's still a pretty decent pack with 5-8 well able to give Murray an easy enough time.

joseywhales · 06-06-2018 6:12pm

Yeah front row has me nervous and no Sexton making perfect decisions consistently.

Still a very good team though and it will be nice to see carbery take control from the start and see if it fits him at this level.

Shefwedfan · 06-06-2018 6:57pm

It would make sense to play Joey with the Starting backs, playing with the B side didn’t really work in AI

Maybe Sexton will play with the inexperienced sbacjs to help them

BionicRasher · 06-06-2018 7:02pm

Anyone know what time and what TV channel this is going to be on?
Might be handy to stick it on the OP. For those casual on lookers

stephen_n · 06-06-2018 7:08pm

BionicRasher wrote: »

Anyone know what time and what TV channel this is going to be on?
Might be handy to stick it on the OP. For those casual on lookers

Sky 11am

mfceiling · 06-06-2018 7:38pm

Buer wrote: »

If they need the rest, so be it. But I don't think that team is good enough to beat Australia.

You obviously missed James Ryan's name in there Buer...

stl.ire · 06-06-2018 8:15pm

If Cummiskey’s team is correct there will be one hell of a bench at our disposal!

FACECUTTR · 06-06-2018 9:41pm

How hot will it be there on Saturday? That bench could start coming on at half time to give lads a rest.

Shefwedfan · 06-06-2018 9:57pm

FACECUTTR wrote: »

How hot will it be there on Saturday? That bench could start coming on at half time to give lads a rest.

Bit of over confidence if we think we can empty the bench at half time

FACECUTTR · 06-06-2018 10:39pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Bit of over confidence if we think we can empty the bench at half time

It's been a long season for the Leinster players and to go into a few international games the opposite side of the world in 30+ degrees C is tough. I'm not talking about emptying the bench at half time but maybe 1 or 2 changes and the rest coming on from 50 mins up. It's not as if the guys coming on are inexperienced young guys. They will add more in a game like this than the usual subs who come on.

heebusjeebus · 06-06-2018 11:00pm

Forecast looking like 20 degrees and sunny in Brisbane on Saturday.
Not too bad at all.

clsmooth · 06-06-2018 11:23pm

JS curve ball, but I like it. Only concern is Carbery nailing his kicks. Otherwise fairly happy with that team, good mix of experience and inexperience in key positions.

PTH2009 · 07-06-2018 12:46am

stephen_n wrote: »

Sky 11am

Will it be in 4K/Ultra HD by any chance ??

Always find it odd this is the end of the 2017/18 international season surely the season should end at the end of the six nations and start at the summer internationals ??

Dog Botherer · 07-06-2018 5:53am

Wallabies team to face Ireland

1. Scott Sio (43 Tests)

2. Brandon Paenga-Amosa*

3. Sekope Kepu (91 Tests)

4. Izack Rodda (4 Tests)

5. Adam Coleman (20 Tests)

6. David Pocock (66 Tests)

7. Michael Hooper (c) (79 Tests)

8. Caleb Timu*

9. Will Genia (88 Tests)

10. Bernard Foley (55 Tests)

11. Dane Haylett-Petty (18 Tests)

12. Kurtley Beale (71 Tests)

13. Samu Kerevi (18 Tests)

14. Marika Koroibete (8 Tests)

15. Israel Folau (62 Tests)

Reserves

16. Tolu Latu (4 Tests)

17. Allan Alaalatoa (23 Tests)

18. Taniela Tupou (1 Test)

19. Rob Simmons (82 Tests)

20. Lukhan Tui (4 Tests)

21. Pete Samu*

22. Nick Phipps (61 Tests)

23. Reece Hodge (24 Tests)

*denotes uncapped

Burkie1203 · 07-06-2018 7:00am

Strange but anyways

https://twitter.com/OffTheBallRugby/status/1004603938535075840?s=19

prawnsambo · 07-06-2018 7:03am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Strange but anyways

https://twitter.com/OffTheBallRugby/status/1004603938535075840?s=19

So the predictions in the Times and Indo were spot on.

Dog Botherer · 07-06-2018 7:06am

Ireland:

15. Rob Kearney
14. Keith Earls
13. Robbie Henshaw
12. Bundee Aki
11. Jacob Stockdale
10. Joey Carbery
9. Conor Murray

1. Jack McGrath
2. Rob Herring
3. John Ryan
4. Iain Henderson
5. James Ryan
6. Peter O’Mahony (captain)
7. Jordi Murphy
8. CJ Stander

Replacements:

16. Sean Cronin
17. Cian Healy
18. Tadhg Furlong
19. Quinn Roux
20. Jack Conan
21. Kieran Marmion
22. Johnny Sexton
23. Jordan Larmour

Former Former · 07-06-2018 7:38am

Are people overstating the "weirdness" of this team? Really only Herring and Ryan are surprises, and if you're going to give as many people a start as possible then you have to spread them out across three tests.

irishbucsfan · 07-06-2018 7:45am

Former Former wrote: »

Are people overstating the "weirdness" of this team? Really only Herring and Ryan are surprises, and if you're going to give as many people a start as possible then you have to spread them out across three tests.

Johnny Sexton not starting a test for Ireland despite being fit is absolutely a surprise and a departure from the norm.

Front row is entirely 2nd choice, despite our hooker and captain out.

Rest of it is pretty expected.

molloyjh · 07-06-2018 7:52am

The Aussies are a young side too, only just together for the first time and will have prepared for Sexton starting. Ireland are likely to play a slightly different game with Carbery at 10 and the pack is a good one, the only real question mark being over John Ryan. But if he can deliver then our pack should def get on top and make life a lot easier on Joey.

I’m also not sure I agree with the “laying down a marker” idea. We need to make sure we are right going into the RWC. Right now that means ensuring we have depth. We’ve won big games away from home before. The gain from winning this series is less than the gain from getting the wider squad up to speed. Obviously we want both, but I think it’s right to prioritise the squad building at this stage. It is the right game to do it in too, as we might well be facing an undercooked and underprepared Aussie side.

I’d expected a full strength side and am a little disappointed we won’t see it. But I’m also excited to see what these guys can do as a XV. Roll on Saturday morning.

molloyjh · 07-06-2018 7:53am

Also, our bench is pretty awesome and is light years ahead of theirs. All the starting XV really need to do is stay in the game for 60 mins.

sydthebeat · 07-06-2018 7:57am

Australia going for a 6/2 bench split is very interesting.

Also, half of their 14 forwards named have less than 5 caps. Its quite an inexperienced aussie side.

BoardsMember · 07-06-2018 8:00am

Quinn Roux on the bench is a surprise.

07-06-2018 8:00am

I see it now. I see what Joe is at, the massive troll.

Now that Carbery is gone to Munster he's looking to restart the ROG v Sexton debate again. He's even started insisting everyone call Carbery ROG.

Burkie1203 · 07-06-2018 8:05am

Former Former wrote: »

Are people overstating the "weirdness" of this team? Really only Herring and Ryan are surprises, and if you're going to give as many people a start as possible then you have to spread them out across three tests.

If it was 2nd test it would be more expected. Just weird to have some of the selections for test 1.

irishbucsfan · 07-06-2018 8:12am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If it was 2nd test it would be more expected. Just weird to have some of the selections for test 1.

I think it makes sense (with the benefit of living in the present) given you can take a lot of the pressure off the entire series by switching things up for game one, and also Australia are exactly the type of team you don't want to be playing when you're wrecked.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how they play. My prediction is that it'll be 17-12 after 60 minutes but then Larmour will come on and Ireland will win 17-47

elefant · 07-06-2018 8:28am

molloyjh wrote: »

The Aussies are a young side too, only just together for the first time and will have prepared for Sexton starting. Ireland are likely to play a slightly different game with Carbery at 10 and the pack is a good one, the only real question mark being over John Ryan. But if he can deliver then our pack should def get on top and make life a lot easier on Joey.

Barstooler question: Could Schmidt pull a last minute switcheroo right before kick-off, and start Sexton if he wanted?

With how technical rugby tactics can be and the minutiae of defensive preparations used to counter specific approaches it seems like it would be a really effective ploy. It's rife in gaelic games, to the point of farce.

Are changes possible (beyond injury)? Frowned upon? Fairly common and I just haven't noticed?

Buer · 07-06-2018 8:31am

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I think that's a bit harsh.

Robdee is a pretty formidable centre partnership and the back 3 is that one that started all the Slam games.

It's still a pretty decent pack with 5-8 well able to give Murray an easy enough time.

I don't think it's harsh. The pack is seriously weakened. 1-10 is where we held the advantage in this series and we've given that up with this selection. John Ryan and Rob Herring aren't even second choice players and this is a huge jump for Carbery to a level he has never played in before.

I don't particularly have a problem with it. I'm very interested to see how it goes.

molloyjh · 07-06-2018 8:34am

elefant wrote: »

Barstooler question: Could Schmidt pull a last minute switcheroo right before kick-off, and start Sexton if he wanted?

With how technical rugby tactics can be and the minutiae of defensive preparations used to counter specific approaches it seems like it would be a really effective ploy. It's rife in gaelic games, to the point of farce.

Are changes possible (beyond injury)? Frowned upon? Fairly common and I just haven't noticed?

It would be very rare and would only happen due to injury. The only time I can think of someone being named without ever being likely to start was Rob Kearney under MOC. And even we (as in Leinster fans) weren’t happy about that. A tactical change like that won’t happen.

Scythica · 07-06-2018 8:34am

Who is ahead of Herring if he isn't even 2nd choice?

The man is a good player, just doesn't make the headlines as much.

Ireland v Waltzing Matilda, test 1 build up thread.

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