Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

captbarnacles · 31-05-2018 02:39PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Same crap different day on these threads. Can someone not provide a valid point from the No side that might make a few of us go "oh, we never thought about that"? You've had tonnes of times to think of just one thing!

After four threads and thousands of posts no good argument has been offered yet so don't get your hopes up

nullzero · 31-05-2018 02:43PM

Neyite wrote: »

No, it wasn't a joke. I was explaining to someone who will never experience a pregnancy as a result of rape what it might be like finding out you are carrying your rapists baby.

A pregnancy is parasitic. A parasite is an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense. That's what happens during pregnancy like it or not. The baby will get the nutrients first and the mother gets whatever is left over the extent of which is too long to list here but to give you three easy ones, the pregnancy is capable of softening ligaments, dental decay, and eyesight deterioration.

Not all parasites are gross. Mistletoe is lovely for example.

A parasite is an organism of a different species to the host.

kunst nugget · 31-05-2018 02:45PM

nullzero wrote: »

A parasite is an organism of a different species to the host.

Aye, like me pet tapeworms. Better than SlimFast so they are.

Fighting Tao · 31-05-2018 02:46PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

What exactly have the pro-life side to fight for?

At this stage the fight can only be outside medical facilities but thankfully Simon Harris is onto the case:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/harris-planning-exclusion-zones-to-stop-protesting-outside-abortion-centres-36963852.html

nullzero · 31-05-2018 02:47PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Aye, like me pet tapeworms. Better than SlimFast so they are.

What's that got do with pregnancy?
I hope you're not dragging your backside along the ground.

sabat · 31-05-2018 02:51PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

What exactly have the pro-life side to fight for?

I would like to see a ban on determining gender in the womb-there are over 100 million females missing from the population of the world due to selective abortion.

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2018 02:52PM

sabat wrote: »

I would like to see a ban on determining gender in the womb-there are over 100 million females missing from the population of the world due to selective abortion.

That's a no.

Anything else?

[sorry folks - 2nd time today I have mixed up which thread I am banned in. Unfollowing now to prevent this in future]

tretorn · 31-05-2018 02:52PM

The incidence of babies born with disabilities will go down but the upside is less money needed for special education and medical care needs.
Any disability that can be diagnosed in the womb will be dealt with, hence the almost eradication of DS in the UK and other European countries, its a matter of personal choice so why shouldnt I abort whoever I like. If you try and stop me I will say I am suicidal and then get my abortion anyway, you can all look the other way if that makes you feel bad, its my body, my choice.

ELM327 · 31-05-2018 02:54PM

tretorn wrote: »

The incidence of babies born with disabilities will go down but the upside is less money needed for special education and medical care needs.
Any disability that can be diagnosed in the womb will be dealt with, hence the almost eradication of DS in the UK and other European countries, its a matter of personal choice so why shouldnt I abort whoever I like. If you try and stop me I will say I am suicidal and then get my abortion anyway, you can all look the other way if that makes you feel bad, its my body, my choice.

Nepal had experienced a struggle for democracy at times in the 20th century and early 21st century. During the 1990s and until 2008, the country was in a civil strife. A peace treaty was signed in 2006 and elections were held in the same year. In a historical vote for the election of the constituent assembly, Nepalese parliament voted to oust the monarchy in June 2006. Nepal became a federal republic and was formally renamed the 'Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal' ending the 200 year old Shah dynasty.

SusieBlue · 31-05-2018 02:54PM

sabat wrote: »

I would like to see a ban on determining gender in the womb-there are over 100 million females missing from the population of the world due to selective abortion.

That isn't really a concern over here, Ireland doesn't have a gender bias the way some countries do (like India or China) where one gender is vastly favoured above the other.
People don't seek gender abortions in Ireland. It isn't a concern.

And just anecdotally, I know more pregnant couples who are hoping to have daughters than I do who are hoping to have sons.
Not that I think any of those people will be heading out for abortions or anything, but I think this notion of favouring males is dead and gone in Ireland.

gctest50 · 31-05-2018 02:54PM

nullzero wrote: »

A parasite is an organism of a different species to the host.

A new word is needed, something like marasite

"Can't wait to deliver this marasite, the heat is killing me"

fxotoole · 31-05-2018 02:56PM

sabat wrote: »

I would like to see a ban on determining gender in the womb-there are over 100 million females missing from the population of the world due to selective abortion.

Source?

SusieBlue · 31-05-2018 02:56PM

tretorn wrote: »

The incidence of babies born with disabilities will go down but the upside is less money needed for special education and medical care needs.
Any disability that can be diagnosed in the womb will be dealt with, hence the almost eradication of DS in the UK and other European countries, its a matter of personal choice so why shouldnt I abort whoever I like. If you try and stop me I will say I am suicidal and then get my abortion anyway, you can all look the other way if that makes you feel bad, its my body, my choice.

If you or your wife was pregnant, would you be wishing and hoping with your fingers crossed that the baby might have DS?
If not you're a hypocrite and you don't get to judge other people for making such choices.
There's no medal for suffering and "getting on with it" - so unless you can actively say you would wish that for your child, you don't get to judge other people for making that choice.

sabat · 31-05-2018 02:56PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That's a no.

Anything else?

What's a no? You don't think there's a problem there? Or does people's right to buy the right colour clothes in advance trump that...

tretorn · 31-05-2018 02:56PM

If I find out I am having a girl I will say I am having a nervous breakdown, I know me rights.
I will get my abortion then and another one if the next foetus is female too. I want two children, one of each gender and its my body, my choice so I will abort to my hearts content.
Stop peering out your curtains at me.
I want all my abortions free too, its my human right to have as many abortions as I like, that nice man from Amnesty said so.

sabat · 31-05-2018 02:58PM

fxotoole wrote: »

Source?

A United Nations report. When you include lesser medical treatment, infanticide etc it's over 200 million.

SusieBlue · 31-05-2018 02:59PM

tretorn wrote: »

If I find out I am having a girl I will say I am having a nervous breakdown, I know me rights.
I will get my abortion then and another one if the next foetus is female too. I want two children, one of each gender and its my body, my choice so I will abort to my hearts content.
Stop peering out your curtains at me.
I want all my abortions free too, its my human right to have as many abortions as I like, that nice man from Amnesty said so.

2/10. Try harder.

fxotoole · 31-05-2018 02:59PM

tretorn wrote: »

The incidence of babies born with disabilities will go down but the upside is less money needed for special education and medical care needs.
Any disability that can be diagnosed in the womb will be dealt with, hence the almost eradication of DS in the UK and other European countries, its a matter of personal choice so why shouldnt I abort whoever I like. If you try and stop me I will say I am suicidal and then get my abortion anyway, you can all look the other way if that makes you feel bad, its my body, my choice.

Abortion will not be permitted in the case of disabilities. As well you know.

Mr. CooL ICE · 31-05-2018 02:59PM

Mod: tretorn, you are making very little effort to engage in discussion with other users.

This is a link to soapboxing. Soapboxing adds nothing to the discussion. Your posts are borderline soapboxing. Stop soapboxing.

sabat · 31-05-2018 03:01PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

That isn't really a concern over here, Ireland doesn't have a gender bias the way some countries do (like India or China) where one gender is vastly favoured above the other.
People don't seek gender abortions in Ireland. It isn't a concern.

This is already happening in the UK among immigrant populations. It's common enough in Eastern Europe too.

fxotoole · 31-05-2018 03:02PM

sabat wrote: »

A United Nations report. When you include lesser medical treatment, infanticide etc it's over 200 million.

That’s very vague. Please provide a link to this report, or the name of this report at the very least.

Fighting Tao · 31-05-2018 03:09PM

tretorn wrote: »

If I find out I am having a girl I will say I am having a nervous breakdown, I know me rights.
I will get my abortion then and another one if the next foetus is female too. I want two children, one of each gender and its my body, my choice so I will abort to my hearts content.
Stop peering out your curtains at me.
I want all my abortions free too, its my human right to have as many abortions as I like, that nice man from Amnesty said so.

So you want abortions now? That was a quick turn about face!

kenmc · 31-05-2018 03:10PM

Mavis Warm Stranger wrote: »

He didn't say that though did he?

He said no voters are all being dismissed as backwards without any nuance in their arguments being taken into account.

Actually, he did. It's in the text I quoted: "with no nuance for thier decision", nothing to do with "arguments", which is what you replaced into his quote.

So their decision is "no abortion", and they are still, to the best of my knowledge, free to exercise their right to that.

And thankfully so too will be anyone who voted for the right to make the choice to have an abortion

Fighting Tao · 31-05-2018 03:11PM

sabat wrote: »

A United Nations report. When you include lesser medical treatment, infanticide etc it's over 200 million.

So girls who are born are then being killed by the 100 million????

ArmaniJeanss · 31-05-2018 03:21PM

sabat wrote: »

This is already happening in the UK among immigrant populations. It's common enough in Eastern Europe too.

The last UK gov report found no evidence of this being a noticeable problem (I'm sure it has happened in individual cases obviously).
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/652620/Gender_birth_ratios_Great_Britain_2011_15.pdf

The UK boy - girl ratio hovers around 105-100, and they investigate further if any ethnic group goes above 107-100, which hasn't happened yet.

By the way I thought 107-100 seemed quite a high mark before they'd consider it a problem worth investigating, but apparently mother nature herself gives us a ratio of 105-100 boys/girls being born.

fxotoole · 31-05-2018 03:21PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So girls who are born are then being killed by the 100 million????

If only we had a link to this report so we could understand the context of this 200 million figure

Fighting Tao · 31-05-2018 03:24PM

fxotoole wrote: »

If only we had a link to this report so we could understand the context of this 200 million figure

If 200 million girls were killed I am sure we would all have heard about it. Sure we heard about the Boko Haram kidnapping 276 girls. 200 million surely couldn't go unnoticed.

RasTa · 31-05-2018 03:33PM

Outside Irish Times offices right now

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157477090727166&set=a.10150472063812166.454249.532352165&type=3

ohnonotgmail · 31-05-2018 03:34PM

RasTa wrote: »

Outside Irish Times offices right now

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157477090727166&set=a.10150472063812166.454249.532352165&type=3

your link doesn't work. For me at least.

kunst nugget · 31-05-2018 03:34PM

RasTa wrote: »

Outside Irish Times offices right now

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157477090727166&set=a.10150472063812166.454249.532352165&type=3

Not on facebook anymore - what's the story, Rory.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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