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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #4502
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »

    Some of whom were...women who received a prenatal abnormality diagnosis and who were treated for sepsis here while pregnant.

    Not so easy to sneer at these people and label them 'three men and a nun' or suggest it's easy for them given they're at the "least risk of dying from it".

    The family in the prenatal abnormality diagnosis has committed their child to living with a heart abnormality. Let me tell you, having lived with a child with a heart abnomality (not diagnosed prenatally, this was some time ago), who died young, it's not a particularly generous thing to do to doom another human being to such misery. Further, it's only by luck the child in question doesn't have cognitive issues - and time usually will tell with that. The parents in question are selfish beyond belief. I'm certain their 5 other children's lives will be impacted by their decision to ignore the doctor's recommendation.

    The woman treated for sepsis in the article wasn't miscarrying, not comparable to Savita Halappanavar at all.

    Finally, the '3 men and a nun' was probably intended for boards posters, not the public at larger.

    Oh, and you're certain all the women in the photos did in fact vote No? I have my doubts...


  • #4503
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    spookwoman wrote: »
    They knew on the Sunday she was having a miscarriage. They knew she was having a "inevitable/impending pregnancy loss" but because there was a heart beat they did not perform an abortion as requested.

    Sunday 21st of October 2012: This entry was timed as at 14.20HRS within the
    medical record

    O&G SpR 1 recalled at interview that the patient was actively having pain and that “it was
    probably a matter of hours before miscarriage    ”. The management option considered by
    O&G SpR 1 and discussed with the patient was “conservative management, wait and see
    what would happen naturally” and that “no other forms of management were discussed”.
    O&G SpR (Specialist Registrar) 1 documented that these findings were discussed with the
    patient and her partner.
    O&G SpR 1 recalled at interview discussing with the patient and her husband that the
    pregnancy was not viable. O&G SpR 1 did not recall a discussion including options to speed
    up the process of inevitable miscarriage. O&G SpR 1 recalled leaving review room as “the
    couple wanted time alone”.

    Sunday 21st of October 2012: (Untimed. Between 15.00HRS and 17.00HRS Approx)
    Staff Midwife 2 who had seen the patient earlier in the day documented that the patient had
    been admitted at 17 weeks gestation with a history of abdominal pain. Staff Midwife 2
    documented that the patient had been reviewed by SHO (Senior House Officer) 1 and O&G
    Specialist Registrar 1 and that a speculum examination had been carried out and the findings
    indicated the presence of bulging membranes almost to the introitus and that the cervix was
    not felt. The documented diagnosis for handover to the night staff was of an
    inevitable/impending pregnancy loss and that the fetal heart was heard using a sonicaid in
    the presence of the Senior House Officer.
    To give the patient privacy the nursing staff arranged for the patient to be admitted to a single
    room in the gynaecology ward (Women experiencing miscarriage are generally not treated
    on wards with other obstetric patients).

    Sunday 21st of October 2012: 16.50HRS
    Staff Midwife 2 stated that the patient “was very upset, she was crying, and I would have
    been very sympathetic and they knew I was there to help in any way, I said ‘if there’s
    anything I can do please ask me’…her distress was more noticeable when I went down to
    the room, I offered pethidine for pain and she accepted”.
    Staff Midwife 2 documented (in the note written at a time between 15.00hrs and 17.00hrs)
    that the patient was administered analgesia - pethidine 75mgs and an antiemetic - Stemetil
    12.5mgs at 16.50 hrs. Staff Nurse/Midwife 2 stated at interview that whilst the patient was in
    pain, she did not have the appearance of a sick woman and the level of pain she was
    experiencing was usual for patients experiencing inevitable pregnancy loss.


    Sunday 21st of October 2012: 21.00HRS
    Staff Midwife 3 (night staff) stated that (s)he visited the patient’s room at 21.00 hrs. Staff
    Midwife 3 documented in an untimed ward round report that (s)he recalled completing at
    approximately 21.00 hrs that the patient was admitted with a history of abdominal pain at 17
    weeks. She had been seen by the registrar and, on speculum examination, bulging
    membranes could be seen at the introitus and no cervix was felt. The impression was that of
    an inevitable/impending miscarriage and that cervical suture was not appropriate.     The fetal
    heart had been heard with sonicaid. Also documented in the notes was that the findings had
    been discussed with patient and husband.
    An IV cannula was sited in the left hand and bloods had been taken for full blood count and
    group and hold (in case blood transfusion will be required). Vital signs were stable early
    nocte. No per vagina (PV) loss. Declined analgesia and denies pain at present. The
    patient’s husband was noted as staying in the room with his wife overnight.


    I'm sorry to say that he is not going to read it properly and digest it because he doesn't give a sh1t that women died because of the 8th.


  • #4504
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/05/its-hour-come-round-at-last-reflections-on-the-abortion-referendum-in-ireland.html

    Interesting blog post by Peter Hitchens


  • #4505
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/05/its-hour-come-round-at-last-reflections-on-the-abortion-referendum-in-ireland.html

    Interesting blog post by Peter Hitchens

    Ah come on. Not the daily fail!


  • #4506
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Ah come on. Not the daily fail!

    He writes for the Mail on Sunday


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  • #4507
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    He rights for the Mail on Sunday

    Sister paper. He is outsider who is reacting to a situation rather than understanding it. His stance is anti abortion regardless. Death doesn't matter when it's a woman.


  • #4508
    Technocentral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    DickSwiveller wrote:
    Interesting blog post by Peter Hitchens

    Is that the pro Brexit, anti gay equality, far right bloke?


  • #4509
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Is that the pro Brexit, anti gay equality, far right bloke?

    The person you disagree with, yes.


  • #4510
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Sister paper.

    What's your point? What has it got to do with his blog post?


  • #4511
    Technocentral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    DickSwiveller wrote:
    The person you disagree with, yes.


    Your facile answer to every critisism because you have nothing else to say.


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  • #4512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    The person you disagree with, yes.

    Probably why some voted no, birds of a feather and all that?

    What about yourself?


  • #4513
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Your facile answer to every critisism because you have nothing else to say.

    You're far too intolerant of people who disagree with you. It's dangerous.


  • #4514
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Probably why you voted no, birds of a feather and all that?

    Wow, you people are very touchy. I just thought it was an interesting read.


  • #4515
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    I find it weird that medical "professionals" in Savitas case would go on about Ireland being a catholic country and not adhere to the 5th commandment...Thou shalt not kill. By not terminating the pregnancy, they broke the commandment and killed her. I suppose god forgives them once they confess.

    If it were me I would have no problem going against the constitution to save a life. The situation is fcuked up.
    I'm not expert on the ins and outs of the bible, but they more 'let her die' than killed her.


  • #4516
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Wow, you people are very touchy. I just thought it was an interesting read.

    Cool story, bro.


  • #4517
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Overheal wrote: »
    Cool story, bro.

    Sorry I don't speak American.


  • #4518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Wow, you people are very touchy. I just thought it was an interesting read.

    Not really very happy with the result, what about yourself happy or not?


  • #4519
    Technocentral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    DickSwiveller wrote:
    The person you disagree with, yes.


    Your facile answer to every critisism because you have nothing else to say.


  • #4520
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Not really very happy with the result, what about yourself happy or not?

    No I'm not. Should I be silenced.


  • #4521
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Sorry I don't speak American.

    Commiserations.


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  • #4522
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No I'm not. Should I be silenced.

    Personally no, similar statements helped the vote go for repeal. Similar statements after just make ye look even worse so keep going your doing a great job.


  • #4523
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    You're far too intolerant of people who disagree with you. It's dangerous.

    Pot, meet kettle.


  • #4524
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I'm not expert on the ins and outs of the bible, but they more 'let her die' than killed her.

    But they choose not to save her, therefore killing her.


  • #4525
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No I'm not. Should I be silenced.
    You are not being silenced - you had your vote. A lot more people voted the other way. Therefore their agenda is the one that will pass. You are free to talk all you like. But nobody is obligated to agree, listen, take notice, or adhere as democracy has already spoken for you, for me, and for the entire country.


  • #4526
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You are not being silenced - you had your vote. A lot more people voted the other way. Therefore their agenda is the one that will pass. You are free to talk all you like. But nobody is obligated to agree, listen, take notice, or adhere as democracy has already spoken for you, for me, and for the entire country.

    I just linked to a ****in column and straight away the mob attacked. Forget it.


  • #4527
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    But they choose not to save her, therefore killing her.
    hmm maybe
    Proverbs 18:21
    The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.


  • #4528
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    I just linked to a ****in column and straight away the mob attacked. Forget it.
    It would seem to me as if you simply do not want people to criticise you or your sources. Yet you are complaining about people wanting to 'silence' you.

    So if they do not agree with you or your sources but should not criticise you or your sources, what should they do? Keep silent?


  • #4529
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    I just linked to a ****in column and straight away the mob attacked. Forget it.

    Sounds like you need a hug. The big bad people on the interwebs are out to get you. Top tip: Go out into the sun, get some exercise and vitamin D. It will help you feel a lot more cheerful like the rest of us :)


  • #4530
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    I just linked to a ****in column and made a bunch of one liners at people then ran out of anything substantial to say. Forget it.

    FYP


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  • #4531
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    But they choose not to save her, therefore killing her.
    I do get you, but the issue is more that about Ireland being a Catholic country (and so some laws being impacted as such), while these are doctors in a Catholic country... not necessarily Catholics themselves. So by that basis, they're fine to break Catholic laws, just not Irish laws influenced by Catholicism.


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