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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #2432
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,444 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    8th Amendment covered it already

    Nope. You were misled by no campaign lies.


  • #2433
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Trasna1 wrote: »
    You couldn't run a constitutional referendum like that, as far as I know it has to be yes or no.

    Your proposal would require two ballots Yes/No for the required constitutional referendum and a PR-STV list for an advisory plebiscite, in the event that the first returned Yes.
    Oh I completely agree that it has to be YES/NO, I was just trying to point out the wild flaws in such a suggestion of running one 'NO' options vs a split of various different 'YES' options.

    I think it's best to just get it off the constitution and let legislators deal with it from there, in accordance with the wishes of the Irish public. If that means something big changes in the next 20-30 years that means it becomes illegal again even in cases where lives are at risk, that's how it goes. If it means that all abortions including late term are allowed in 20-30 years, so be it. Most likely is somewhere in the middle of course, but it gives us the flexibility to move with the times accordingly.


  • #2434
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Most likely is somewhere in the middle of course, but it gives us the flexibility to move with the times accordingly.

    I think moving with the times is a pretty tough concept for some people to digest though.


  • #2435
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    At least there are the Brexit rows still to look forward to


  • #2436
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    No your "question" was completely invalid.

    But to answer its unrestricted abortion. In other words no reason has to be given, disability or otherwise for the abortion up to 12 weeks. You knew that already though.

    First I voted yes but I need to ask what you mean by the 12 weeks was needed for disability was the FAA not what that was for


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  • #2437
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    rather than just have a Yes vote which also makes it legal for a healthy woman, pregnant through consensual sex, to end the life of her healthy baby at 12 weeks gestation.

    You can still do whatever the hell you want Pete. But you just no longer have a say in what women do with their bodies should they become pregnant. The control is now in their hands. Only a complete control freak would have a problem with that.
    Diddums.


  • #2438
    PressRun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Powerful result. Kind of felt it would go this way. The hysteria from the No side in public suggested to me that they weren't getting a good response on the ground and I felt that my own family and circle of friends who were all yes voters couldn't be outliers. An amazing grassroots movement from Together for Yes. Don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it in my time. They did all the hard work door to door and did a great job of mobilising voters. A terrific result for them.

    The Irish media would want to take a look at themselves after this as well. Their misguided attempts to provide "balance" all the time and giving platforms to religious fundamentalists has completely misrepresented the views of the electorate and led to a situation where people are actually shocked by this result. Hardly anyone agrees with the views of the Iona Institute, so why are we being led to believe that they legitimately represent a significant section of Irish society? Present the views of the people as they are and stop pandering to extremists.


  • #2439
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    retro:electro wrote: »
    You can still do whatever the hell you want Pete. But you just no longer have a say in what women do with their bodies should they become pregnant. The control is now in their hands. Only a complete control freak would have a problem with that.
    Diddums.

    Disgusting comment. What about the unborn baby? What about the father?


  • #2440
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    8th Amendment covered it already

    It most certainly does not. One of the many reasons we were even having this referendum was because it expressely does not. How can you be this badly informed after all these months.


  • #2441
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Disgusting comment. What about the unborn baby? What about the father?
    Tough sh*t


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  • #2442
    haskellgeek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭haskellgeek


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Disgusting comment. What about the unborn baby? What about the father?

    Why should I, as a man, have a say in another persons health?


  • #2443
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,904 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    For the love of God RTE can you not make your strap line move a bit faster.


  • #2444
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    haskellgeek wrote: »
    Why should I, as a man, have a say in another persons health?

    The father of the child should have a say in the welfare of the baby


  • #2445
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    Its interesting that apparently 75% of voters had made their minds up over 5 years ago. It makes the entire two campaigns irrelevant really and all that was needed was to get the turnout.

    That said I do not trust that statistic that only 25% of voters were in play.


  • #2446
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    The father of the child should have a say in the welfare of the baby

    It is not a baby at that stage. You are using emotive language and it impairs your belief system.


  • #2447
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    The father of the child should have a say in the welfare of the baby
    So a woman should have the father's written permission before seeking an abortion?


  • #2448
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So a woman should have the father's written permission before seeking an abortion?

    Of course...including in rape and incest cases. /s


  • #2449
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    It is not a baby at that stage. You are using emotive language and it impairs your belief system.

    At 12 weeks it has arms and legsl and a heartbeat. Remember what a 12 week scan is like?


  • #2450
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    Billy86 wrote: »
    So a woman should have the father's written permission before seeking an abortion?

    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter


  • #2451
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter

    WTF


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  • #2452
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    The father of the child should have a say in the welfare of the baby

    It's not a baby. If the foetus reaches a viable age and is given birth to, then it is a baby.
    And then the father does have a say.


  • #2453
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter
    Man rapes woman. Woman cannot definitively prove rape quickly, as is often the case. Woman gets abortion. Rapist gets to send his own victim to prison.

    Welcome to Dookie Monster's Ireland! Thank fuck you are in a decided minority made up primarily of an ageing generation that has been definitively replaced.


  • #2454
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter

    Ah jaysis. You are a lost cause.


  • #2455
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter

    Sorry mate, the days of enforced pregnancy are gone. I for one will be working to make sure any woman who needs an abortion can get one especially those in abusive relationships.


  • #2456
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Disgusting comment. What about the unborn baby? What about the father?

    Disgusting comment? God forbid the woman be prioritised when it comes to HER pregnancy. Thank fcuk 70% of Ireland have voted to move past this regressive, oppressive, insulting bolloxology


  • #2457
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Man rapes woman. Woman cannot definitively prove rape quickly, as is often the case. Woman gets abortion. Rapist gets to send his own victim to prison.

    Welcome to Dookie Monster's Ireland!

    totally not trolling :rolleyes:


  • #2458
    Pa8301
    Closed Accounts Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Pa8301


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter

    Most disturbing post of the thread that I have read so far.


  • #2459
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,807 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    PressRun wrote: »
    The Irish media would want to take a look at themselves after this as well. Their misguided attempts to provide "balance" all the time and giving platforms to religious fundamentalists has completely misrepresented the views of the electorate and led to a situation where people are actually shocked by this result. Hardly anyone agrees with the views of the Iona Institute, so why are we being led to believe that they legitimately represent a significant section of Irish society? Present the views of the people as they are and stop pandering to extremists.

    I thinks it's broadcasting rules - no matter how low an option in a referendum is polling you have to give them 50% of the coverage. You can see how it kinda makes sense.

    Meanwhile the print media, though they don't have such rules, are kinda incentivised by economics to keep the idea that it's a 50/50 thing. Keep the ad money coming in, and the sales and website clicks.


  • #2460
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    I thinks it's broadcasting rules - no matter how low an option in a referendum is polling you have to give them 50% of the coverage. You can see how it kinda makes sense.

    It only makes sense if both sides deal in facts. I don't think there should be live debates or comments. Everything should be fact checked before broadcasting.


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  • #2461
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Yea. The man should be able to have the woman arrested for manslaughter

    If I was in a stable relationship I would hope she would at least come and talk with me if she wanted an abortion. End of day it's her decision but I be pretty pissed if she just went and did it


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