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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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  • #2312
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    I've a feeling we haven't seen the last of Katie. Seems like she will fit in well with Renua
    And she's pretty


  • #2313
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Saying he will fight against the will of the people is anti-democratic, this is not disputable in any way, shape or form.

    The will of hundreds of thousands of people should not be heard which is what you are arguing for, he has a right to represent these people if he wants by voting against abortion legislation.
    That is how democracy works. We are not a strict one party communist system where everyone has to agree or face punishment.


  • #2314
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    listermint wrote: »
    The chances of your getting someone pregnant whilst wearing a condom and pulling out are so remote it's not worth talking about.

    But sure whatever your having yourself ..like
    Just looking for equality.

    #equality


  • #2315
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Any hope of men being able to legally abdicate parenthood if they want the child aborted but the mother goes ahead with the pregnancy. In the interest of equality and freedom of choice over ones reproduction like?

    Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

    This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

    Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.


  • #2316
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I'd say the other Senators will only be flocking to his side to give him a dig out.

    If the No side had any sense they'd be starting the soft sell to have the legislation watered down as much as possible. But no, digging their heels in and sticking their heads in the sand.

    He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.


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  • #2317
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.

    Nope, but shows how politically inept he is.

    He said he's gonna pray for everyone, so that's gracious of him.


  • #2318
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    I am not religious and I am not against abortion exactly, more so the denial that what you are aborting is a human baby, if everyone accepted the fact it is a life and they are choosing to kill that baby then I would probably voted Yes too however it is this self deception which is what gets me.


  • #2319
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

    This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

    Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.
    But why should he pay maintenance for a child he wanted legally aborted? He should be able to have a say over his reproductive responsibility like women will now have.


  • #2320
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Nope, but shows how politically inept he is.

    He said he's gonna pray for everyone, so that's gracious of him.

    Yet he keeps getting back into the Seanad...


  • #2321
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

    This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

    Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.


    yes, but then it becomes a question of finances.


    If the man who is the actual father of the child should have the option of not paying for the child - why would other taxpayers then have to be forced into paying for the child?


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  • #2322
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    Ronan Mullen is ruined now. Pathetic excuse of a man. He is the biggest loser of all on the campaign side. Zero credibility. I hope he loses his handy Senator job.

    Heading towards 15k

    https://www.change.org/p/seanad-eireann-a-call-for-the-resignation-of-senator-ronan-mullen-from-seanad-eireann


  • #2323
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,854 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    listermint wrote: »
    The chances of your getting someone pregnant whilst wearing a condom and pulling out are so remote it's not worth talking about.

    But sure whatever your having yourself ..like

    Yet the risk is there, The people of Ireland have not spoken they have SHOUTED "no more will we be ridden roughshod over by the RCC and thier masters in Rome, No more will the women of Ireland have to skulk off to another country for medical treatment and no more will we be dictated to by the minority who would keep us in the 1950's"

    Well done Ireland, both young and old have made that tiny country a better place for women.


  • #2324
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Why are any sides still putting their talking points after the vote ? I never understand that. Make your points before the vote and make them compelling as you can.
    It's not about abortion, it's not about 12 weeks, repeal the 8th and lobby afterwards?


  • #2325
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    Very disappointing result, it is a total disregard for basic biology and shows most Irish being happy to just be sheep and not think for them selves instead wanting to virtue signal and aspire to been what is perceived as being the cosmopolitan modern society that is bigger than what we actually are in reality. When the legalise child marriage referendum comes about I am leaving this **** hole.

    John Waters might let you couch-surf at his house until you get on your feet, seeing as he’ll be leaving the country any day now.


  • #2326
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    RobertKK wrote: »
    tigger123 wrote: »
    I'd say the other Senators will only be flocking to his side to give him a dig out.

    If the No side had any sense they'd be starting the soft sell to have the legislation watered down as much as possible. But no, digging their heels in and sticking their heads in the sand.

    He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.
    Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.


  • #2327
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The_Brood wrote: »
    yes, but then it becomes a question of finances.


    If the man who is the actual father of the child should have the option of not paying for the child - why would other taxpayers then have to be forced into paying for the child?
    Because this country believes in a woman's right to choose. In this case it's difficult to see how that right can be denied to men.


  • #2328
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    One additional plus about this referendum is that the government worked on the removal of the baptism barrier for schools while the No side were concentrating on concocting their lies and so they missed the boat.


  • #2329
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The will of hundreds of thousands of people should not be heard which is what you are arguing for, he has a right to represent these people if he wants by voting against abortion legislation.
    That is how democracy works. We are not a strict one party communist system where everyone has to agree or face punishment.
    The will of the majority is what is heard in a democracy, I would tell you to not pretend you don't know this but you will anyway so go ahead, it won't change a thing.


  • #2330
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.

    There won't be any problems for the legislation in my opinion. SF will have an EGM to change their position to the government legislation.


  • #2331
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yet he keeps getting back into the Seanad...

    Urge every NUI grad you know to vote against him in the next election. That is the simple way to get him out.


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  • #2332
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,172 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    STB. wrote: »
    If the majority voted yes in their constituencies then they are out of touch.

    Try and twist it any other way you want, but thats the facts of itl


    The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.


  • #2333
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The will of the majority is what is heard in a democracy, I would tell you to not pretend you don't know this but you will anyway so go ahead, it won't change a thing.

    Yes and isn't that why the politicians are in the parliament - by the will of the people, you think people who voted for Ronan Mullin or other pro-life politicians didn't know their position or have expectations of them when it comes to certain votes?


  • #2334
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It would be nice if people could enjoy their victory without the bitterness.


    Said the bitterly disappointed Robert.


  • #2335
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.
    It also appears thus far that the Healy-Rae's are savvy enough to not go saying they will stand against the democratic process. I am no fan of theirs by a long way but do respect that at least.


  • #2336
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Still can't get over the margins in places like Sligo and Roscommon.


  • #2337
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Child marriage is still legal in the US in some states.

    It was still legal in Ireland too until only a couple of years again I think


  • #2338
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Vincent Vega wrote: »
    Why is this person still getting a platform?
    What is her expertise or relevance other than the UCD impeachment?


    Her parents are Ionanists, so she can parrot the talking points.


  • #2339
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    Very disappointing result, it is a total disregard for basic biology and shows most Irish being happy to just be sheep and not think for them selves instead wanting to virtue signal and aspire to been what is perceived as being the cosmopolitan modern society that is bigger than what we actually are in reality. When the legalise child marriage referendum comes about I am leaving this **** hole.

    What paragon of virtue will you be moving to?


  • #2340
    erica74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Said the bitterly disappointed Robert.

    There's a lot of that going around... :pac:


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  • #2341
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    STB. wrote: »
    If the majority voted yes in their constituencies then they are out of touch.

    Try and twist it any other way you want, but thats the facts of itl


    The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.
    Whether you like the Healy raes, they are very clever when it comes to election vote managing. They way they managed the vote was impressive.


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