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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Ozymandius2011

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod: This is not a reiteration of the previous 8th threads. If you were threadbanned from those, you are not threadbanned here.

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suicide_circus

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I've a feeling we haven't seen the last of Katie. Seems like she will fit in well with Renua

And she's pretty

RobertKK

Billy86 wrote: »

Saying he will fight against the will of the people is anti-democratic, this is not disputable in any way, shape or form.

The will of hundreds of thousands of people should not be heard which is what you are arguing for, he has a right to represent these people if he wants by voting against abortion legislation.
That is how democracy works. We are not a strict one party communist system where everyone has to agree or face punishment.

suicide_circus

listermint wrote: »

The chances of your getting someone pregnant whilst wearing a condom and pulling out are so remote it's not worth talking about.

But sure whatever your having yourself ..like

Just looking for equality.

#equality

Bannasidhe

suicide_circus wrote: »

Any hope of men being able to legally abdicate parenthood if they want the child aborted but the mother goes ahead with the pregnancy. In the interest of equality and freedom of choice over ones reproduction like?

Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.

RobertKK

tigger123 wrote: »

I'd say the other Senators will only be flocking to his side to give him a dig out.

If the No side had any sense they'd be starting the soft sell to have the legislation watered down as much as possible. But no, digging their heels in and sticking their heads in the sand.

He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.

tigger123

RobertKK wrote: »

He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.

Nope, but shows how politically inept he is.

He said he's gonna pray for everyone, so that's gracious of him.

Chris_Heilong

I am not religious and I am not against abortion exactly, more so the denial that what you are aborting is a human baby, if everyone accepted the fact it is a life and they are choosing to kill that baby then I would probably voted Yes too however it is this self deception which is what gets me.

suicide_circus

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.

But why should he pay maintenance for a child he wanted legally aborted? He should be able to have a say over his reproductive responsibility like women will now have.

RobertKK

tigger123 wrote: »

Nope, but shows how politically inept he is.

He said he's gonna pray for everyone, so that's gracious of him.

Yet he keeps getting back into the Seanad...

The_Brood

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ironically The Guardianship of Infants Act 1964 did just that in the case of 'illegitimate' children by declaring "(4) The mother of an illegitimate infant shall be guardian of the infant."

This is the very clause that is causing so many problems for unmarried fathers.

Personally, I am of the opinion that - in the case of unmarried parents - if the father puts his name on the birth register he should have equal rights, if he doesn't he can feck off - with all that entails. No access, No custody, No coming along years later and saying I want to be a daddy now ... unless willing to backdate maintenance.

yes, but then it becomes a question of finances.

If the man who is the actual father of the child should have the option of not paying for the child - why would other taxpayers then have to be forced into paying for the child?

Wrongway1985

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Ronan Mullen is ruined now. Pathetic excuse of a man. He is the biggest loser of all on the campaign side. Zero credibility. I hope he loses his handy Senator job.

Heading towards 15k

https://www.change.org/p/seanad-eireann-a-call-for-the-resignation-of-senator-ronan-mullen-from-seanad-eireann

Timberrrrrrrr

listermint wrote: »

The chances of your getting someone pregnant whilst wearing a condom and pulling out are so remote it's not worth talking about.

But sure whatever your having yourself ..like

Yet the risk is there, The people of Ireland have not spoken they have SHOUTED "no more will we be ridden roughshod over by the RCC and thier masters in Rome, No more will the women of Ireland have to skulk off to another country for medical treatment and no more will we be dictated to by the minority who would keep us in the 1950's"

Well done Ireland, both young and old have made that tiny country a better place for women.

pleas advice

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Why are any sides still putting their talking points after the vote ? I never understand that. Make your points before the vote and make them compelling as you can.

It's not about abortion, it's not about 12 weeks, repeal the 8th and lobby afterwards?

_Dara_

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Very disappointing result, it is a total disregard for basic biology and shows most Irish being happy to just be sheep and not think for them selves instead wanting to virtue signal and aspire to been what is perceived as being the cosmopolitan modern society that is bigger than what we actually are in reality. When the legalise child marriage referendum comes about I am leaving this **** hole.

John Waters might let you couch-surf at his house until you get on your feet, seeing as he’ll be leaving the country any day now.

Taytoland

RobertKK wrote: »

tigger123 wrote: »

I'd say the other Senators will only be flocking to his side to give him a dig out.

If the No side had any sense they'd be starting the soft sell to have the legislation watered down as much as possible. But no, digging their heels in and sticking their heads in the sand.

He doesn't have the support in the Seanad as we know, but it doesn't mean he has to vote Yes to legislation.

Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.

suicide_circus

The_Brood wrote: »

yes, but then it becomes a question of finances.

If the man who is the actual father of the child should have the option of not paying for the child - why would other taxpayers then have to be forced into paying for the child?

Because this country believes in a woman's right to choose. In this case it's difficult to see how that right can be denied to men.

Fighting Tao

One additional plus about this referendum is that the government worked on the removal of the baptism barrier for schools while the No side were concentrating on concocting their lies and so they missed the boat.

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

The will of hundreds of thousands of people should not be heard which is what you are arguing for, he has a right to represent these people if he wants by voting against abortion legislation.
That is how democracy works. We are not a strict one party communist system where everyone has to agree or face punishment.

The will of the majority is what is heard in a democracy, I would tell you to not pretend you don't know this but you will anyway so go ahead, it won't change a thing.

RobertKK

Taytoland wrote: »

Do the No side have the political numbers to block it in the Dail? If you lose you lose. Should just accept it. A bit like the remainers in the UK over Brexit who are still whining and crying about it two years later. Or move to NI which won't be getting rid of it's abortion laws anytime soon.

There won't be any problems for the legislation in my opinion. SF will have an EGM to change their position to the government legislation.

mloc123

RobertKK wrote: »

Yet he keeps getting back into the Seanad...

Urge every NUI grad you know to vote against him in the next election. That is the simple way to get him out.

[Deleted User]

STB. wrote: »

If the majority voted yes in their constituencies then they are out of touch.

Try and twist it any other way you want, but thats the facts of itl

The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.

RobertKK

Billy86 wrote: »

The will of the majority is what is heard in a democracy, I would tell you to not pretend you don't know this but you will anyway so go ahead, it won't change a thing.

Yes and isn't that why the politicians are in the parliament - by the will of the people, you think people who voted for Ronan Mullin or other pro-life politicians didn't know their position or have expectations of them when it comes to certain votes?

Zubeneschamali

RobertKK wrote: »

It would be nice if people could enjoy their victory without the bitterness.

Said the bitterly disappointed Robert.

Billy86

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.

It also appears thus far that the Healy-Rae's are savvy enough to not go saying they will stand against the democratic process. I am no fan of theirs by a long way but do respect that at least.

tigger123

Still can't get over the margins in places like Sligo and Roscommon.

enda1

Inquitus wrote: »

Child marriage is still legal in the US in some states.

It was still legal in Ireland too until only a couple of years again I think

Zubeneschamali

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Why is this person still getting a platform?
What is her expertise or relevance other than the UCD impeachment?

Her parents are Ionanists, so she can parrot the talking points.

Sofiztikated

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Very disappointing result, it is a total disregard for basic biology and shows most Irish being happy to just be sheep and not think for them selves instead wanting to virtue signal and aspire to been what is perceived as being the cosmopolitan modern society that is bigger than what we actually are in reality. When the legalise child marriage referendum comes about I am leaving this **** hole.

What paragon of virtue will you be moving to?

erica74

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Said the bitterly disappointed Robert.

There's a lot of that going around... :pac:

Itssoeasy

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

STB. wrote: »

If the majority voted yes in their constituencies then they are out of touch.

Try and twist it any other way you want, but thats the facts of itl

The Healy Rae's and McGraths of this world are very much in touch with their electorate, general elections will tell you that.

Whether you like the Healy raes, they are very clever when it comes to election vote managing. They way they managed the vote was impressive.