Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 26-05-2018 09:58AM

Damien360 wrote: »

I voted yes but wonder will anything change. New laws have to be drafted and the No campaign have a new battle ground outside TD's houses.

If a FF government lands in the Dail in the next 12-18 months for whatever reason will their support base demand no change and the status quo remain with no law enacted on this ?

Clearly the support is across all parties

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 09:59AM

seamus wrote: »

I think you mean Fianna Fail are in some bother.

They're now the official right-wing conservative party of Ireland. Their voter base can only diminish over time unless they follow Michael and become more relevant.

Knowing FF, I think the knives will be out for Michael for breaking ranks.

erudec · 26-05-2018 09:59AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

There’s plenty in the parliamentary party who want M Martin out. For various reasons.

Well, he's badly out of touch with the party he leads as being the only front rank person who can credibly claim to be uncomfortable with sharp practice and slimy influence peddling.

He was elected because after the Cowen collapse, they needed a leader with integrity at the helm. Now they're drifting back into pole position as memories of the bust fade, and the rank and file want someone who will get the gravy train running at full steam when they take power back.

Odyssey 2005 · 26-05-2018 09:59AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I drove behind a woman the other day who had restricted the view out of her back window to a postage stamp with all the various no stickers. There was a woman in a prius at the walkinstown roundabout driving what looked like a campaign van there was that many no stickers on it.

Saw a jeep in Kilkenny the other day. There is better visibility out of a Sherman tank. Every single window was plastered Even the windscreen was plastered in NO stickers. Shocking carry on.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 26-05-2018 10:00AM

retro:electro wrote: »

I think when this is all over we need to have a conversation about why exactly The Iona Institute have been allowed to self appoint themselves as dictators for the Irish moral compass and are given a national platform to spew their venom? They hold no sway here. Their absolutely regressively backwards recall has been rejected it it’s droves over and over. It’s time they all fcuked off into oblivion.

I voted yes but the Iona institute can do what they want. That’s the way democracy works.

Allinall · 26-05-2018 10:00AM

retro:electro wrote: »

I think when this is all over we need to have a conversation about why exactly The Iona Institute have been allowed to self appoint themselves as dictators for the Irish moral compass and are given a national platform to spew their venom? They hold no sway here. Their absolutely regressively backwards recall has been rejected it it’s droves over and over. It’s time they all fcuked off into oblivion.

I see you’re an advocate for free speech.

dav3 · 26-05-2018 10:00AM

martyoo wrote: »

John McGuirk on RTE. Sore af.

Another blinder of a campaign by McGuirk. What's the opposite of the midas touch?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 26-05-2018 10:01AM

FF are pretty good at reading the way the wind blows.

listermint · 26-05-2018 10:02AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I voted yes but the Iona institute can do what they want. That’s the way democracy works.

I think the point is why they are awarded such a large unwarranted platform. Is it because they are contrary?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-05-2018 10:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can we end this charade where his wife's vote must be respected because she's a strong independent woman?

There are many examples in these threads of women, or stories of women, voting "no", and they've been lambasted. The bias is comical. You don't respect her vote because she's a woman, you respect it because she voted right. Very progressive.

I find it very hard to respect anyone who voted no as the no vote removed all choice for women. The no voters do staunchly against abortion will never be forced to do anything against their will with their body. They aren’t entitled to feel hard done by when they failed in their attempts to deny body autonomy to women of childbearing age

Nettle Soup · 26-05-2018 10:02AM

The detail behind the exit polls are fascinating. Some very interesting data.

FF supporters were almost 50/50 on this vote.

I liked waking up this morning knowing history has been made.

Grab All Association · 26-05-2018 10:03AM

Cyril: (to repeal the 8th) Better look next time

Fr D Byrne: We Lost Cyril.

laugh · 26-05-2018 10:03AM

Finding miraculous medals in the ballot boxes, miraculous medal, sounds like something from Harry Potter.

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 10:03AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

I think you mean Fianna Fail are in some bother.

They're now the official right-wing conservative party of Ireland. Their voter base can only diminish over time unless they follow Michael and become more relevant.

Knowing FF, I think the knives will be out for Michael for breaking ranks.

He'll have to watch his back politically. I wouldn't be making grand statements if I was him.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 26-05-2018 10:04AM

listermint wrote: »

I think the point is why they are awarded such a large unwarranted platform. Is it because they are contrary?

With binary options in referenda the broadcasters have to, or try to, give equal time to high side. That was true of the good Friday agreement which passed by 80%.

26-05-2018 10:05AM

Ariya Calm Curve wrote: »

I find it very hard to respect anyone who voted no as the no vote removed all choice for women. The no voters do staunchly against abortion will never be forced to do anything against their will with their body. They aren’t entitled to feel hard done by when they failed in their attempts to deny body autonomy to women of childbearing age

That's fine, but irrelevant. Posters were attacking the husband for not respecting her vote, when it was really about how she voted and his response to it.

iguana · 26-05-2018 10:05AM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I voted yes but the Iona institute can do what they want. That’s the way democracy works.

They can do what they want. The question is why the Irish media gives them such an disproportionate platform compared to the level of support they have. And that's not just in terms of marriage equality, abortion, etc. Breda O'Brien is the self-appointed spokesperson for stay at home parents (specifically mothers). Maria Steen claims to speak for homeschoolers. They don't. Not at all but they have pushed themselves into these positions and the media has just accepted them. That's what needs to be looked at in the aftermath of this week.

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 10:05AM

It's important to remember that we are lucky that all changes to the constitution of our country have to come from the Irish public.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 26-05-2018 10:05AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

The detail behind the exit polls are fascinating. Some very interesting data.

FF supporters were almost 50/50 on this vote.

I liked waking up this morning knowing history has been made.

Yes so the idea that ff will trend to the conservative right (again) isn’t true. What ff actually stand for is power for ff.

Loafing Oaf · 26-05-2018 10:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to the exit poll discussed by RTE earlier, the lowest Yes vote among party voters was from FF voters, (somewhere in the low 50%'s while FG and SF was up in the 70% range)

Michael is in some bother.

Bertie Ahern supported divorce II against probably the great majority of FF voters and paid no price for it. FF people are pragmatists above all and I reckon even most of the no voters will recognise their leader was on the right side of history here.

Nettle Soup · 26-05-2018 10:05AM

The B&A exit poll also said the Yes side would have won 5 years ago.
Why didn't Enda & Co have the balls to take this one on?

Odyssey 2005 · 26-05-2018 10:06AM

I hope both sides are as eager to take down the posters as they were to put them up. ..

eeepaulo · 26-05-2018 10:06AM

dav3 wrote: »

Another blinder of a campaign by McGuirk. What's the opposite of the midas touch?

What about Murphy's touch, anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

Bannasidhe · 26-05-2018 10:06AM

martyoo wrote: »

John McGuirk on RTE. Sore af.

I admit that among all the Yes Campaigners I know there was much gin consumed last as we waited for the exit polls... and even more gin after them...

So slightly hungover I turned on Radio One and thought for a horrible moment we hadn't voted yet as it was Cora Sherlock still spouting her buzz words. Feck this says I and turn on the telly. There was McGuirk talking about how respectful the No Campaign was and calling for tolerance.

Camera panned to Ailbe Smyth's expression. And there it was - a woman's irony meter exploding live on national TV. :P

26-05-2018 10:07AM

dav3 wrote: »

Another blinder of a campaign by McGuirk. What's the opposite of the midas touch?

midas is a tragic figure remember!

lads i had to stop reading this thread my doc is on at me about salt and my blood pressure

id just note im surprised and dismayed that the ten or fifteen fulltime posters recycling the NO POV are still at it

because genuinely id hoped they were being paid rather than holding the simplistic and judgemental positions they were espousing.

but no matter now.

Beechwoodspark · 26-05-2018 10:07AM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

I hope both sides are as eager to take down the posters as they were to put them up. ..

Yep. Both sides need to get out and get the posters down asap.

Odyssey 2005 · 26-05-2018 10:07AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

The B&A exit poll also said the Yes side would have won 5 years ago.
Why didn't Enda & Co have the balls to take this one on?

Inda and balls don't belong in the same sentence.

seamus · 26-05-2018 10:08AM

listermint wrote: »

I think the point is why they are awarded such a large unwarranted platform. Is it because they are contrary?

It's because there's an old boys' business network operating behind the scenes that includes big members from Opus Dei, as well as CEOs and MDs from the media including RTE and INM.

This is why Iona seem to get airtime despite having no mandate, while other causes usually require a TD or other politician to pull strings to get airtime.

Loafing Oaf · 26-05-2018 10:08AM

iguana wrote: »

They can do what they want. The question is why the Irish media gives them such an disproportionate platform compared to the level of support they have. And that's not just in terms of marriage equality, abortion, etc. Breda O'Brien is the self-appointed spokesperson for stay at home parents (specifically mothers). Maria Steen claims to speak for homeschoolers. They don't. Not at all but they have pushed themselves into these positions and the media has just accepted them. That's what needs to be looked at in the aftermath of this week.

In short, the legal requirement for balanced coverage in the run-up to a referendum. You'll hear much less from them from now on...

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 10:09AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Can someone explain why the yes side shut down any debate on the actual process of abortion when it was raised?

From the debates I saw, any time details were given, the response was that it was bile, or sensationalism, definitely not to be discussed.

The approach seemed to be-we want this but don’t discuss the reality of the abortion process? Bizarre carry on?

We know what the 'reality' of abortion is.
The ref was NOT about abortion, it was about 'choice'.
Irish women are already aborting, we KNOW this.

That is why people standing on overpasses with monster pictures of aborted babies were roundly criticised. It was not necessary and was just emotive bollixology

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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