Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Necro

FrancieBrady wrote:

It's real sour grapes that you are negating/demeaning the fact that people turned out to vote for something they hold important.

Look I'm not going to get dragged into this by any means, but I do agree with that point.

Like it or not, politics and elections are as important, if not more so than referendums which 'capture the minds of the nation'

Of course the referendum was important.

But like I said to my own sister, who is 25 in September and has only voted twice in her life (on SSM and on this one just gone), it would also be in hers, and the countries interests to show a similar interest in electing those who run the country.

This isn't pro-life or No voter shenanigans, this is simple fact.

jill_valentine

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

I voted to repeal the 8th but I don’t understand why people would want to celebrate this referendum.

As a nation, we made a young woman beg for her life.

Knowing for sure something like that can't happen again is worth celebrating. A nasty, ugly campaign failed, and my compatriots turned out in incredible numbers to make sure it can't happen again, that's worth celebrating.

I have a different kind of relief and joy than after the marriage ref, but that's what it is. The last few months have been miserable for a lot of women because of the bull**** this referendum gave a megaphone to, and if they feel a catharsis now I won't hold it against them. People danced when wars were ended.

pleas advice

Igotadose wrote: »

Unfortunately, their backers in the US won't pay to help kids or adopters in Ireland, so the Iownhers will lay low for a bit...

:rolleyes:

nullzero

Necrominus wrote: »

Look I'm not going to get dragged into this by any means, but I do agree with that point.

Like it or not, politics and elections are as important, if not more so than referendums which 'capture the minds of the nation'

Of course the referendum was important.

But like I said to my own sister, who is 25 in September and has only voted twice in her life (on SSM and on this one just gone), it would also be in hers, and the countries interests to show a similar interest in electing those who run the country.

This isn't pro-life or No voter shenanigans, this is simple fact.

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted yes. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic rather going with the popular opinion.

Timberrrrrrrr

Annabella1 wrote: »

Incorrect

Firstly it is four pills taken several days apart

3-5% risk of a serious bleed

GP's in the UK who have had abortion since 1960's have never prescribed this and they refer to Clinics to confirm their gestation via scan and get appropriate aftercare

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill/what-can-i-expect-if-i-take-abortion-pill

First, you take a pill called mifepristone. Pregnancy needs a hormone called progesterone to grow normally. Mifepristone blocks your body’s own progesterone.

Your doctor or nurse will also give you a medicine called misoprostol. You’ll use the misoprostol 6-48 hours after you take the first pil

And yes the UK has clinics but it has already been stated that innireland it will be GP based hence no need nor market for clinics.

FrancieBrady

Necrominus wrote: »

Look I'm not going to get dragged into this by any means, but I do agree with that point.

Like it or not, politics and elections are as important, if not more so than referendums which 'capture the minds of the nation'

Of course the referendum was important.

But like I said to my own sister, who is 25 in September and has only voted twice in her life (on SSM and on this one just gone), it would also be in hers, and the countries interests to show a similar interest in electing those who run the country.

This isn't pro-life or No voter shenanigans, this is simple fact.

I fully agree, and it is really not your sister's fault that she is not engaged, that is the fault of our politicians and our system.

It suits the members of the continual power swap in this country FF/FG that your sister and those like her are NOT engaged.

pleas advice

tigger123 wrote: »

I needed someone to teach me how to use a spoon at one stage. Everybody is taught how do everything at some stage in their lives.

You have to be 18 to vote though...

Itssoeasy

Michael Healy Rae on rte radio. He said he voted no but that we live in a democracy and they'll go through the draft bill. It was a surprising reaction.

PopePalpatine

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So Cora an co. are going "to regroup and continue campaigns for the rights of children".

Maybe they should put the same effort into getting out on the streets and be as vociferous in their protests about homeless kids,it seems that once children are born they don't seem to care so much.

That campaign will mysteriously pause when it comes to secularising the school system.

dav3

I was surprised at just how many americans there were around yesterday. All canvasing for a no vote.
I appears most of them were hanging off bridges and flyovers with their expensive banners, some of them holding Irish flags. I feel sorry for people beeping in their cars believing they were Irish. It was very disconcerting the effort they were going to to give the impression the no vote was larger than it was.

There are many people out there this morning that have no idea what was going on behind the scenes in the run up to this vote.

There is an interesting piece below. I think we all agree, regardless of whatever way you voted, or didn't. That these people are not welcome in this country, and the sooner they leave, for their own sake, the better.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/23/europe/ireland-abortion-referendum-american-campaigners-intl/index.html

Faulkner, 23, and Berning, 25, are founders of the Colorado-based anti-abortion group Let Them Live. They've travelled to Ireland for the month leading up to the historic poll to "sway the voters to vote pro-life and hopefully keep Ireland pro-life."

US government employee Benyam Capel, 22. He told Irish immigration he was traveling for pleasure, "because I enjoy activism."

Chase Howell, 21, told immigration officers in Dublin airport: "I'm here to save the 8th [amendment] and to do political activity and swing the vote." Howell says he was temporarily detained for further questioning, where he "clarified" he was "doing information outreach." Howell says an officer told him not to exchange money with anyone and then let him through.

nullzero

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I fully agree, and it is really not your sister's fault that she is not engaged, that is the fault of our politicians and our system.

It suits the members of the continual power swap in this country FF/FG that your sister and those like her are NOT engaged.

That is a ridiculous argument.
People are personally responsible for their own level of political interest and activity.
Politics is never going to hold a young persons attention in the same way as the non stop entertainment of the modern age but it still affects everyone in society, so maybe if we got our noses out of all the other nonsense and took the time to engage politically we might not have such a corrupt and intrinsically broken political system.

nullzero

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Aye, you clearly really respect her choice all right.

What a lucky woman.

What does that mean?

Tipsy McSwagger

I voted Yes. Nothing swayed me, I barely watched any of the debates, nobody knocked on my door. I just wanted this country to move forward.

Sonics2k

nullzero wrote: »

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted yes. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic rather going with the popular opinion.

I know it's a crazy idea, but perhaps she'd already formed her own opinion on the matter over the course of a lifetime, instead of being so brain-dead as to simply go 'with the popular opinion'.

Necro

FrancieBrady wrote:

It suits the members of the continual power swap in this country FF/FG that your sister and those like her are NOT engaged.

Ugh maybe. But I'm not much older than her and I've voted in every election and referendum since I was legally able to.

Taking the exit polls as an example an overwhelming 83% of that age group voted Yes.

That's astounding. And truthfully, if Ireland ever wants to see meaningful political change, like SSM and repeal, the younger generations need to involve themselves rather than waiting on politicians to do it for them.

It will be very interesting to see if the #hometovote crowd are back in force for the next referendums. I have my doubts.

Christy42

pleas advice wrote: »

tigger123 wrote: »

I needed someone to teach me how to use a spoon at one stage. Everybody is taught how do everything at some stage in their lives.

You have to be 18 to vote though...

Yeah but you still need to be told. There is no grand intuition of putting an X instead of a tick that you can figure out age 18 if nobody tells you anything about it.

Once you are told it is easy but you still have to be told.

Kiith

This should absolutely be celebrated. Once again the Irish people have voted to move out from under the control of the Catholic Church and a barbaric ammendment that has no place in society, and embrace modern sensibilities.

I couldn't be happier this morning.

FrancieBrady

nullzero wrote: »

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted yes. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic rather going with the popular opinion.

Many many people were able to say that it was simply about giving choice.
This ref was never about the morals of abortion per se.

A vote given without following the usual back and forth whenever 'dirty' matters about sex are discussed in this country was wholly legitimate if you made it to allow a section of our society 'choice'.

nullzero

Sonics2k wrote: »

I know it's a crazy idea, but perhaps she'd already formed her own opinion on the matter over the course of a lifetime, instead of being so brain-dead as to simply go 'with the popular opinion'.

She said she had no idea what the details of it were.
She's her own person and can vote anyway she likes but could have made an effort to understand why she voted the way she did.

Avatar MIA

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae on rte radio. He said he voted no but that we live in a democracy and they'll go through the draft bill. It was a surprising reaction.

He's a (canny) politician and knows he's counter to the electorate. He said he was surprised with the level of yes.

nullzero

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're claiming to respect someone's choice while implying they're incapable of making their own mind up. Doesn't sound like respect to me.

She's more than capable of making her mind up she just didn't make an effort to understand the issue.

tigger123

nullzero wrote: »

She said she had no idea what the details of it were.
She's her own person and can vote anyway she likes but could have made an effort to understand why she voted the way she did.

Clearly the problem here is democracy.

super_furry

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae on rte radio. He said he voted no but that we live in a democracy and they'll go through the draft bill. It was a surprising reaction.

He’s bricking himself for his seat after seeing those exit polls. So many first time voters and voters under 65 swung against him and he’s going to make sure to give them what they want.

nullzero

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Many many people were able to say that it was simply about giving choice.
This ref was never about the morals of abortion per se.

A vote given without following the usual back and forth whenever 'dirty' matters about sex are discussed in this country was wholly legitimate if you made it to allow a section of our society 'choice'.

I'm not concerned with the daft arguments about sex etc, just inform yourself of the basics of the debate.

Sin City

Its all over now and its looking like the Yes campaign have won. Hopefully

On a side note both sides sprouted hate and vitriol against those on the otherside

Im just glad the whole thing is over and we can move on as a society

FrancieBrady

Necrominus wrote: »

Ugh maybe. But I'm not much older than her and I've voted in every election and referendum since I was legally able to.

Taking the exit polls as an example an overwhelming 83% of that age group voted Yes.

That's astounding. And truthfully, if Ireland ever wants to see meaningful political change, like SSM and repeal, the younger generations need to involve themselves rather than waiting on politicians to do it for them.

It will be very interesting to see if the #hometovote crowd are back in force for the next referendums. I have my doubts.

Why do you think they were so 'motivated'? Just interested in your view.

nullzero

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Nor did you, evidently, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to judge someone else for doing the same.

You are judging me because I don't agree with your opinion, therefore I'm wrong, great argument.

super_furry

tigger123 wrote: »

Clearly the problem here is democracy.

Democracy is a bad system, it’s just that it’s better than all the other options.

Sandor Clegane

Looking like it's going to be a great day.

To all the NO voters id say, don't worry you still have the choice to say no to an abortion if the situation every arises, what's changed is you can't shame or force others to follow you anymore.

nullzero

tigger123 wrote: »

Clearly the problem here is democracy.

That makes no sense.
Is it not reasonable to expect a voter to know what they're voting on?