Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

vienne86 · 26-05-2018 09:15AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Considering our elected politicians seem to keep doing and saying the same old rubbish no matter what party they're from, I can understand why someone might want to vote in a referendum but have no interest in a general election.

I vote in every election personally, but I can see why people might become disillusioned with the whole thing.

It will be interesting to compare the yes/no split in the referendum vs the yes/no split amond TD's - I would say the Dail is way behind the electorate.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 09:16AM

nullzero wrote: »

I'm not concerned with the daft arguments about sex etc, just inform yourself of the basics of the debate.

'Basically', it was about giving women 'choice'.
What's to debate, think about or inform yourself about, if that is your belief?

nullzero · 26-05-2018 09:17AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Basically', it was about giving women 'choice'.
What's to debate, think about or inform yourself about, if that is your belief?

In your opinion that is all it was about. Many others on both sides appreciated it was substantially more nuanced than that.

lawred2 · 26-05-2018 09:18AM

nullzero wrote: »

That makes no sense.
Is it not reasonable to expect a voter to know what they're voting on?

Let me guess, you think near 70% of voters has no idea what they were voting on..

But you did right?

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 09:19AM

nullzero wrote: »

In your opinion that is all it was about. Many others on both sides appreciated it was substantially more nuanced than that.

Today, the Irish electorate have decided to give women choice when it comes to their health.

It is not any more 'nuanced' than that even though there was many who desperately tried to make it more 'nuanced'. Scaremongering, moral high grounding etc etc.

Necro · 26-05-2018 09:19AM

FrancieBrady wrote:

Why do you think they were so 'motivated'? Just interested in your view.

A lot of it is down to social media in my view. You can't flick through twitter or Facebook without posts from either side, and it was the same with SSM. While both issues were incredibly important, I just wish they'd have a similar level of involvement come time to elect those who will now legislate for the change.

Look, it's a fabulous turn out and a stunning result but maybe we wouldn't have these backwards thinking, local parish pump politics if the youth would turn out in such a fashion for the next general election.

Just my opinion as you asked.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 09:19AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm judging you because it's obvious from your reaction when confronted with the reality that people in this country who chose to get abortions were already getting them that you didn't make yourself aware of the facts before voting.

What the hell are you talking about?
Of course I was aware of that, you're going off on a tangent.

26-05-2018 09:20AM

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted no. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 09:21AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Let me guess, you think near 70% of voters has no idea what they were voting on..

But you did right?

The people have spoken time to move on and accept the result. That doesn't mean discussion isn't allowed.

pleas advice · 26-05-2018 09:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Today, the Irish electorate have decided to give women choice when it comes to their health.
.

...have voted to bring abortion on request into this country, you mean

Discodog · 26-05-2018 09:22AM

nullzero wrote: »

What a ridiculous post.
I made a simple point that having legally available abortion won't stop people protesting against abortions.

The No campaigners can be seriously nasty. They "protest" outside clinics in the UK. We need to impose restrictions to protect the privacy of women.

Guy:Incognito · 26-05-2018 09:22AM

How long before the first picture from a count centre claiming a conspiracy? " look, there's clearing a pile of A votes being counted as B" .

It's nearly tradition at this stage.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 09:23AM

Necrominus wrote: »

A lot of it is down to social media in my view. You can't flick through twitter or Facebook without posts from either side, and it was the same with SSM. While both issues were incredibly important, I just wish they'd have a similar level of involvement come time to elect those who will now legislate for the change.

Look, it's a fabulous turn out and a stunning result but maybe we wouldn't have these backwards thinking, local parish pump politics if the youth would turn out in such a fashion for the next general election.

Just my opinion as you asked.

Well, politicians need to engage with social media if they want high numbers of young people to turn out.

I'm convinced the main parties FF/FG run a mile from that scenario.

The numbers coming in in this ref suggest this was something more than just 'young people' turning out though.

Beechwoodspark · 26-05-2018 09:23AM

Sin City wrote: »

Its all over now and its looking like the Yes campaign have won. Hopefully

On a side note both sides sprouted hate and vitriol against those on the otherside

Im just glad the whole thing is over and we can move on as a society

Its hardly over. They have to legislate now. This isn’t going away any time soon. It’ll be raised for years to come.

Pro choice will want even more liberalisation and pro life will want more restrictions.

Personally I will be tuning out.

Sassygirl1999 · 26-05-2018 09:23AM

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

This is for people who have already voted in the referendum. How did you vote? I voted yes.

Mod: This thread is little more than a survey about how you voted. Please don't the ins and outs of abortion.

Mod-Seeing as people can't follow a simple instruction. From now on just a yes or no answer. Anything else will be deleted or the user banned depending on which mod gets to it first.

I abstained

nullzero · 26-05-2018 09:24AM

Discodog wrote: »

The No campaigners can be seriously nasty. They "protest" outside clinics in the UK. We need to impose restrictions to protect the privacy of women.

Off you go on another tangent.
People will protest as closely as they can and there has been recent calls in the UK for restrictions like you're proposing but I'm sure you're up to speed with that.

Guy:Incognito · 26-05-2018 09:26AM

Just looking at rte coverage and they were interviewing people outside polling stations.

No voters voted no because they felt it could be dealt with by legislation, despite being told repeatedly it couldn't and one nuanced reply was " I voted no because I have 16 beautiful granddaughters" . If anyone should be voting yes its someone like him.

26-05-2018 09:27AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You voted yes and never pondered how it could be abused??

I’d say there’s many many yes voters in the same situation.

That doesn't explain how abortion can be 'abused'

Mac-Chops · 26-05-2018 09:27AM

nullzero wrote: »

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted yes. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic rather going with the popular opinion.

Deleted User wrote: »

My own wife registered to vote for this referendum and was undecided up until yesterday and voted no. She didn't take any time to look at the arguments made by either side and decided to watch reality TV when the debates were on the during the week. I told her I respect her choice and I do but I just wish she'd taken the time to become conversant with the topic.

She's telling fibs to the pair of you.

Necro · 26-05-2018 09:27AM

FrancieBrady wrote:

The numbers coming in in this ref suggest this was something more than just 'young people' turning out though.

Ah yeah, look it seems to be a large scale turn out in general and that's a good thing in my view.

But as you go up the scale, the numbers skew back towards keeping the status quo (indeed, the over 65s voted against repeal).

So with that in mind, the youth turning out in force to elect our government would in my view bring about a change to the landscape of Irish politics.

And that's what we need rather than the status quo chopping and changing every 5 years or so.

tigger123 · 26-05-2018 09:28AM

nullzero wrote: »

That makes no sense.
Is it not reasonable to expect a voter to know what they're voting on?

How do you know they don't know what they're voting on? Are you basing all this on what your wife told you?

Avatar MIA · 26-05-2018 09:28AM

Mac-Chops wrote: »

She's telling fibs to the pair of you.

I think that may be the least of their worries :pac:

Guy:Incognito · 26-05-2018 09:29AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Its hardly over. They have to legislate now. This isn’t going away any time soon. It’ll be raised for years to come.

Pro choice will want even more liberalisation and pro life will want more restrictions.

Personally I will be tuning out.

A large part of the no campaign was run on the basis that the proposals are barbaric and go way too far ( wording on loads of posters around dublin) . So let's believe the no side. If so then the people have given the oireachtas a huge mandate to legislate for the proposals that were put forward.

26-05-2018 09:30AM

Mac-Chops wrote: »

She's telling fibs to the pair of you.

I was making the point that if he had written my version where she voted "no", people here would have supported him and bemoaned the fact she hadn't seeked out more information before voting.

Maybe later, I'll try again and see the responses.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 09:31AM

Necrominus wrote: »

Ah yeah, look it seems to be a large scale turn out in general and that's a good thing in my view.

But as you go up the scale, the numbers skew back towards keeping the status quo (indeed, the over 65s voted against repeal).

So with that in mind, the youth turning out in force to elect our government would in my view bring about a change to the landscape of Irish politics.

And that's what we need rather than the status quo chopping and changing every 5 years or so.

Absolutely agree. We need, as political animals, to recognise that we are changing as a country and harness, at least some of that energy.

i enjoyed this btw. Nullzero may not get the joke.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/05/25/worrying-reports-of-young-people-turning-out-to-vote/

Gbear · 26-05-2018 09:31AM

I think ultimately, a lot of No voters will be left happy enough with what actually gets put through, or they would be if they took the time to understand it.

There's a cohort of hyper-catholic flagellants who believe in holy suffering and martyrdom being justifications for no abortions under any circumstances, irrespective of the harm that policy causes, and they'll never be happy, but we've shown we're not indulging their nonsensical beliefs anymore.

Beyond that, there's a bunch of people who I'm sure do not want women to die, or can understand the need to terminate a pregnancy that has no possibility of being viable, but didn't understand why the 8th amendment was an awful way to address that nuance. In practice, virtually every abortion case that occurs will fall within their parameters of acceptability.

Mostly, it'll tick away in the background, and not hearing about it because women aren't dying will mean it's working.

RacoonQueen · 26-05-2018 09:33AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just looking at rte coverage and they were interviewing people outside polling stations.

No voters voted no because they felt it could be dealt with by legislation, despite being told repeatedly it couldn't and one nuanced reply was " I voted no because I have 16 beautiful granddaughters" . If anyone should be voting yes its someone like him.

Yeah, the few no's there. They didn't give any real reason for their no.

The guy who said he voted yes to give women their rights back...then said no, to give them rights because they've never really had them. Legend.

Fr Tod Umptious · 26-05-2018 09:35AM

Necrominus wrote: »

Ah yeah, look it seems to be a large scale turn out in general and that's a good thing in my view.

But as you go up the scale, the numbers skew back towards keeping the status quo (indeed, the over 65s voted against repeal).

So with that in mind, the youth turning out in force to elect our government would in my view bring about a change to the landscape of Irish politics.

And that's what we need rather than the status quo chopping and changing every 5 years or so.

Much easier to get people engaged with a "single issue" item like this referendum.

With a GE you have a far more varied set of election issues to deal with and multiple candidates in each constituency with aultitude of opionion and promises.

Far more difficult to get a single demographic as interested or engaged.

Even the refferendums that are required for EU treaties do not get the same engagement because they are mired in legal debate that feck all people care for.

Sofiztikated · 26-05-2018 09:36AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If you want my opinion I will give it.

In my experience A lot of them were and are ignorant and also they refused to face up to realities preferring instead to focus on badges and stickers and sound bites.

How do I know this-I talked to LOTS of them and lots-not all-were pretty ignorant on the facts.

And I know it’s completely uncool and almost taboo to even mildly question the yes side but anyway, whatever. That’s my opinion. Take it or leave it, I don’t care either way.

The majority of no voters I spoke with seems ignorant on the facts.

And I asked time and time again, give me a good reason to retain the 8th. Not one could give me a halfway decent answer, that couldn't be easily dismissed.

There were a million and 1 reasons to get rid of it.

Gbear · 26-05-2018 09:40AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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Much easier to get people engaged with a "single issue" item like this referendum.

With a GE you have a far more varied set of election issues to deal with and multiple candidates in each constituency with aultitude of opionion and promises.

Far more difficult to get a single demographic as interested or engaged.

Even the refferendums that are required for EU treaties do not get the same engagement because they are mired in legal debate that feck all people care for.

And not only that, but with a referendum you actually get a tangible result at the end of it.

Giving people a goal like that, that they can really relate to, is a big driver, I think.

People might feel passionate about wind energy or prison reform, but no matter who they vote in, it's a nebulous process between getting your TD elected and getting that legislation passed exactly how you want it.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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