Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:40AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I hope they don't do that. The No posters with the supposed dead babies on them will be recommissioned so the 30% that didn't want it can have their say again when they protest outside the clinics!!!

We live in a reasonably free society, there are still anti abortion activists in the UK and united states, voting yes isn't a vote to suppress other people's right to free speech.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 08:40AM

nullzero wrote: »

The detailed instruction videos on how to walk into a polling center and mark a ballot paper correctly made me wince, we have an extra 100k plus people on the electoral register who'll never be seen in a polling station ever again.

A trip to a count to watch desperate losing sides trying to rule out votes would maybe open a lot of people's eyes to how important it is that you mark the ballot properly.

Otherwise your post reeks off 'over here interfering in our rule'.

Cantona's Collars · 26-05-2018 08:41AM

Cora Sherlock on Sky News in a few seconds.
I wonder if she'll answer any questions this morning?

Hellrazer · 26-05-2018 08:42AM

You know something?On a more serious note.

I hope to God that this exit poll is correct. We have had exit polls in the past that were completely wrong albeit with closer results.

Whats the chances of this happening with this one?

I know they say their margin of erroe is + / - 1.5&% How accurate is that ?

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:42AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So they will rise because we are going from single digit abortion stats to women having terminations here instead of the UK. So really you are pointing out the obvious!

Or did you mean something else when you said numbers will rise?

International statistics suggest that when unrestricted abortions are available people avail of them, unless we are some sort of massive anomaly we can expect a similar result here.
Do you want to address the other points I made in my originally quoted post?

SteelyDanJalapeno · 26-05-2018 08:44AM

Next stop needs to be removing the church's d*ck from the schools.

angeldelight · 26-05-2018 08:44AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

You know something?On a more serious note.

I hope to God that this exit poll is correct. We have had exit polls in the past that were completely wrong albeit with closer results.

Whats the chances of this happening with this one?

I know they say their margin of erroe is + / - 1.5&% How accurate is that ?

They’re 95% confident that it falls within the range of +/-1.5% so 1 in 20 polls would be outside that range. However given that there’s two independent polls giving the same numbers we can be confident

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Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2018 08:44AM

nullzero wrote: »

International statistics suggest that when unrestricted abortions are available people avail of them, unless we are some sort of massive anomaly we can expect a similar result here.
Do you want to address the other points I made in my originally quoted post?

So people will avail of a service that is there? Ok!
Where is your evidence that numbers rise?

Do you think that because women don't have to travel to the UK now that more and more women will avail of the service just because it's there?

HONKEY TONK · 26-05-2018 08:45AM

rockatansky wrote: »

I see ths from a few 'This result shouldn't be celebrated'

The No side is determined to force their opinion on everyone else.

You lost, big time. Deal with it.

And this is the foolishness that goes on.

I voted yes and I see no reason to celebrate.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:45AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A trip to a count to watch desperate losing sides trying to rule out votes would maybe open a lot of people's eyes to how important it is that you mark the ballot properly.

Otherwise your post reeks off 'over here interfering in our rule'.

As soon as I turned 18 I registered to vote and have cast a ballot on every election and referendum since then. It is a joke that people have to be instructed on doing something so bloody simple. I think we all know the next general election will see nothing like the turn out of the last two referendums because it just isn't as interesting to casual voters.

Hellrazer · 26-05-2018 08:45AM

nullzero wrote: »

We live in a reasonably free society, there are still anti abortion activists in the UK and united states, voting yes isn't a vote to suppress other people's right to free speech.

Its amazing that you've actually said that when all along the no side was promoting a less "free society" for women by not allowing them freedom of their own body integrity.The freedom to do what they wanted with their own bodies.

It wasnt me123 · 26-05-2018 08:46AM

erica74 wrote: »

I didn't dream it...

I'm watching Morning Ireland (on tv) and they are analyzing the exit poll and why people voted the way they did.

The Yes vote was based mainly on the personal stories of people that they heard about and knew of so on behalf of the women of Ireland thank you so much for laying bare your personal story and hurt - its your bravery that got this Yes vote. I hope your medical health care is never exported or denied from this day forward. I'm very proud of you all.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 08:46AM

nullzero wrote: »

International statistics suggest that when unrestricted abortions are available people avail of them, unless we are some sort of massive anomaly we can expect a similar result here.
Do you want to address the other points I made in my originally quoted post?

International stats suggest we have at least 3000+ abortions that we know of per year.

kneemos · 26-05-2018 08:47AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

You know something?On a more serious note.

I hope to God that this exit poll is correct. We have had exit polls in the past that were completely wrong albeit with closer results.

Whats the chances of this happening with this one?

I know they say their margin of erroe is + / - 1.5&% How accurate is that ?

Two exit polls wouldn't have gotten it wrong, particularly when they're both practically gave the same result.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:48AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So people will avail of a service that is there? Ok!
Where is your evidence that numbers rise?

Do you think that because women don't have to travel to the UK now that more and more women will avail of the service just because it's there?

There will obviously be an increase due to availability.
We up to now have had no abortions in Ireland and the evidence to support the notion that the rates of abortion will increase is so freely available and obvious that I'm going to assume you did your homework on it before voting.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2018 08:48AM

nullzero wrote: »

As soon as I turned 18 I registered to vote and have cast a ballot on every election and referendum since then. It is a joke that people have to be instructed on doing something so bloody simple. I think we all know the next general election will see nothing like the turn out of the last two referendums because it just isn't as interesting to casual voters.

Ireland needs to change how it holds elections, we have many thousands of people who are registered in small towns/villages across the country who no longer live there.

Holding elections on week days is always going to be a disaster for turn out numbers as many cannot get home to vote from whatever city they reside in.

Have elections on a Saturday and maybe the numbers will rise.

dav3 · 26-05-2018 08:48AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

You know something?On a more serious note.

I hope to God that this exit poll is correct. We have had exit polls in the past that were completely wrong albeit with closer results.

Whats the chances of this happening with this one?

I know they say their margin of erroe is + / - 1.5&% How accurate is that ?

It's accurate. It roughly matches with opinion polls when the 'don't knows' were removed. Unless the no side have rigged the election, which they absolutely have not...this isn't america, then it will be a resounding yes.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 08:49AM

nullzero wrote: »

As soon as I turned 18 I registered to vote and have cast a ballot on every election and referendum since then. It is a joke that people have to be instructed on doing something so bloody simple. I think we all know the next general election will see nothing like the turn out of the last two referendums because it just isn't as interesting to casual voters.

It's real sour grapes that you are negating/demeaning the fact that people turned out to vote for something they hold important.

It is the slap in the face for this kind of tantrum and the Ronan Mullin style demeaning tantrums that should be wildly celebrated.

Cantona's Collars · 26-05-2018 08:49AM

So Cora an co. are going "to regroup and continue campaigns for the rights of children".

Maybe they should put the same effort into getting out on the streets and be as vociferous in their protests about homeless kids,it seems that once children are born they don't seem to care so much.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:49AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Its amazing that you've actually said that when all along the no side was promoting a less "free society" for women by not allowing them freedom of their own body integrity.The freedom to do what they wanted with their own bodies.

What a ridiculous post.
I made a simple point that having legally available abortion won't stop people protesting against abortions.

kneemos · 26-05-2018 08:49AM

kneemos wrote: »

Two exit polls wouldn't have gotten it wrong, particularly when they're both practically gave the same result.

The first rural ballot result will us the answer anyway. If it's a resounding yes it's all over bar the counting.

nullzero · 26-05-2018 08:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's real sour grapes that you are negating/demeaning the fact that people turned out to vote for something they hold important.

It is the slap in the face for this kind of tantrum and the Ronan Mullin style demeaning tantrums that should be wildly celebrated.

Tantrum?
Do you not agree that a functioning society doesn't need to instruct people in detail on how to mark an x on a ballot paper?

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-05-2018 08:51AM

nullzero wrote: »

There will obviously be an increase due to availability.

Because the service will be available.

We up to now have had no abortions in Ireland

Yes we do, either via POLDAP or via women procuring tablets online.

and the evidence to support the notion that the rates of abortion will increase is so freely available and obvious that I'm going to assume you did your homework on it before voting.

You made the claim so the onus is imnyour to provide the evidence.

Igotadose · 26-05-2018 08:52AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So Cora an co. are going "to regroup and continue campaigns for the rights of children".

Maybe they should put the same effort into getting out on the streets and be as vociferous in their protests about homeless kids,it seems that once children are born they don't seem to care so much.

That'll be the first time, won't it? And... what about campaigning to liberalize the adoption laws?

Unfortunately, their backers in the US won't pay to help kids or adopters in Ireland, so the Iownhers will lay low for a bit then start ganging up on the TD's is my guess, just keep the Dail from doing anything viz. abortion, will be their goal. Delay/deflect/sue/lie/....

tigger123 · 26-05-2018 08:53AM

nullzero wrote: »

Tantrum?
Do you not agree that a functioning society doesn't need to instruct people in detail on how to mark an x on a ballot paper?

I needed someone to teach me how to use a spoon at one stage. Everybody is taught how do everything at some stage in their lives.

Mac-Chops · 26-05-2018 08:54AM

rockatansky wrote: »

I see ths from a few 'This result shouldn't be celebrated'

The No side is determined to force their opinion on everyone else.

You lost, big time. Deal with it.

Again, this is the problem I have issue with.

Myself and anyone close to me were a Yes but it wasn't as straight forward as you have in your mind.
Celebrating change to you, will still look like celebrating abortion to others.... Others, who I stress again, will have contributed to the necessary change.

Rubbing peoples' noses in it doesn't help things.

FrancieBrady · 26-05-2018 08:55AM

nullzero wrote: »

Tantrum?
Do you not agree that a functioning society doesn't need to instruct people in detail on how to mark an x on a ballot paper?

As I said earlier, go to a count and watch how ballot papers are contested in a close count.
I have seen ballots with a tick instead of an x successfully contested and placed in the spoiled vote heap.

There was going to be a lot of older people voting in this referendum and a lot of new voters. The government would probably be mandated to put out public info films like that by EU directives.

What harm would it do? It's a pretty spurious point to make your case that the electorate that won is basically stupid. :rolleyes:

Annabella1 · 26-05-2018 08:57AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

There will be no need for clinics as the majority of terminations will be via a visit to gp and taking 2 pills.

Incorrect

Firstly it is four pills taken several days apart

3-5% risk of a serious bleed

GP's in the UK who have had abortion since 1960's have never prescribed this and they refer to Clinics to confirm their gestation via scan and get appropriate aftercare

Cleopatra_ · 26-05-2018 08:57AM

nullzero wrote: »

Tantrum?
Do you not agree that a functioning society doesn't need to instruct people in detail on how to mark an x on a ballot paper?

What about people who have recently turned 18 and are unsure of the process? No harm telling people what to do to avoid confusion.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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