Jeremy Corbyn believes Irish reunification ‘has majority support’

RobertKK · 23-05-2018 06:30PM

Before Brexit I didn't really support it given we were all in the EU and Westminster are paying for them, but since Brexit I have changed opinion, as it is a mess for everyone and things are so much easier and better for everyone if we are all as one.

jmayo · 23-05-2018 06:34PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I think a reunification poll in Northern Ireland would fail by 60/40. Many 'Catholics' would consider themselves better off in the UK.

Brexit might change that outlook. It remains to be seen.

In terms of the Republic of Ireland, a reunification poll should pass by 80/20. To be honest, it should be closer to 100/0. Some Irish people (like Scots) only think of their own pocket.

The West Germans knew that East Germany was a costly basket case in 1990, but their common bond was irrepressible. West Germany could never turn East Germany away over money. It was their dream to be united.... no matter the cost.

The yearning of Koreans is to be united also.

FFS why is Germany always dragged up as a comparison in this debate.
Their situation is nothing like ROI and NI.
There weren't people in East Germany who had a completely different ethnic outlook for hundreds of years and who wanted to remain with Soviet Union or as it became Russian Federation.

Also comparing the economic resources of West Germany to ROI is something a 6th class student shouldn't even consider.

And of course there is a pop that anyone who considers the economic fallout are tight Scottish penny pinchers just really re-enforces in my mind why I don't particularly like some who froth at the mouth at the idea of a united Ireland.

diomed · 23-05-2018 06:38PM

I expect the poll to go very pro unification as soon as the an organisation is aware of it.

jmayo · 23-05-2018 06:41PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Before Brexit I didn't really support it given we were all in the EU and Westminster are paying for them, but since Brexit I have changed opinion, as it is a mess for everyone and things are so much easier and better for everyone if we are all as one.

Some seem to think the only issue is the border and that is what will have most effects.
The much bigger issue is actual trade with Britain.
Even if there is no border between North and South, but a border across the Irish sea it creates huge issues for Irish companies, SMEs in particular.

Every ship coming from or going to Britain will then have to go through customs with associated costs and time delays.
All the freight destined for the continent that currently traverses Britain will be affected and if it goes direct to France that has associated costs and is more weather dependent.

If you are from the continent of Europe you can laugh at what a mess the Brits have created and what a mess they may make out of their economy.
We sadly can't laugh at them because united Ireland or not we need the feckers for our economy.

Mutant z · 23-05-2018 06:42PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I think a reunification poll in Northern Ireland would fail by 60/40. Many 'Catholics' would consider themselves better off in the UK.

Brexit might change that outlook. It remains to be seen.

In terms of the Republic of Ireland, a reunification poll should pass by 80/20. To be honest, it should be closer to 100/0. Some Irish people (like Scots) only think of their own pocket.

The West Germans knew that East Germany was a costly basket case in 1990, but their common bond was irrepressible. West Germany could never turn East Germany away over money. It was their dream to be united.... no matter the cost.

The yearning of Koreans is to be united also.

The only thing dividing the Germans was the communist government of the east once that fell there was no cultural obstacle to reunification unfortunately that isn't the case with NI so its not really a like for like comparison cultural differences between the 2 communities in NI are much deeper than it ever was between the Germans.

Jayesdiem · 23-05-2018 06:49PM

I believe any unification would be financially supported by the Brits for a period as a type of “severance” pay. There is a lot of British guilt over the mess they created on this island. I would welcome reunification but it’s probably a way off yet.

Mutant z · 23-05-2018 06:55PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I believe any unification would be financially supported by the Brits for a period as a type of “severance” pay. There is a lot of British guilt over the mess they created on this island. I would welcome reunification but it’s probably a way off yet.

I doubt British tax payers would be too happy with that arrangement they would want to wash their hands of it as soon as possible in fact many of them do even now so they certainly won't be willing to help prop up somewhere which will no longer have anything to do with them.

Beta Ray Bill · 23-05-2018 06:56PM

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

As an Irishman, that's just so depressing.

Why?

I get it that a unified Ireland would be nice to have, but not at "any cost".
Last time I checked 1 in 3 of people employed in NI are in the Public sector or their job relates to/depends on public sector.

NI has a population of 1.8 million people
According to the NISRA website there is a total of 756,030 jobs in NI.
So that's 756,030 jobs to support 1.8 million people.
IE one Job supports 2.3 people (Kids, OAPs, Non-working partners, etc)

Private sector accounts for 549,340 jobs and public accounts for 206,690 jobs

If unification were to happen, those 206,690 jobs are gone. (there's more than enough people working in the public sector in the south to pick up the slack)
Say even a quarter of those people managed to get a job somewhere else (which is v.optimistic btw)
That still leaves a job shortage of 151,000. (Nearly 10% of the population)
Unemployment in NI is already at 6%, we'd be talking around 15% unemployment rate.

The South* would have to support all those people.
We can barely support the people we have now, so that means more Tax.
No thanks... You can pay my share if it means that much to you.

eeguy · 23-05-2018 07:00PM

Mutant z wrote: »

I doubt British tax payers would be too happy with that arrangement they would want to wash their hands of it as soon as possible in fact many of them do even now so they certainly won't be willing to help prop up somewhere which will no longer have anything to do with them.

There not happy about the millions in severance they're paying to the EU but they'll still pony up.

Beta Ray Bill · 23-05-2018 07:01PM

jmayo wrote: »

Some seem to think the only issue is the border and that is what will have most effects.
The much bigger issue is actual trade with Britain.
Even if there is no border between North and South, but a border across the Irish sea it creates huge issues for Irish companies, SMEs in particular.

Every ship coming from or going to Britain will then have to go through customs with associated costs and time delays.
All the freight destined for the continent that currently traverses Britain will be affected and if it goes direct to France that has associated costs and is more weather dependent.

If you are from the continent of Europe you can laugh at what a mess the Brits have created and what a mess they may make out of their economy.
We sadly can't laugh at them because united Ireland or not we need the feckers for our economy.

Jesus I just thought of something.... Parcel Motel!!!!
THEY'LL BE F**KED!!!!

flatty · 23-05-2018 07:06PM

I can't believe what people are writing here. I'd happily pay 5% more tax to reunify the country. I'm appalled.

OldMrBrennan83 · 23-05-2018 07:08PM

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SEPT 23 1989 · 23-05-2018 07:09PM

the loyalist paramilitarys would be armed to the teeth by the spooks if there was ever a hint of this coming to pass

Let's just enjoy this hard earned peace

buried · 23-05-2018 07:18PM

You get a hard border you are going to lose the peace anyways though. But this time, The British establishment will not give a tuppeny's donkeys arse what sort of trouble is going on. The powers over there don't care what sort of infrastructure or society is being moulded up in the north of their own country, never mind what could be happening across the Irish sea. The small inner city Loyalist death squads won't be backed up by Tally Ho colonial-mindset British security spooks this time. Most of them lads are either dead or 98 years old now. The criminals will be on their own. Plus the farmers of a Unionist mindset up in the north won't be a wet weekend within a Brexit reality when they'll be demanding they want out once they see how it's going to decimate their pockets. Their already doing that as we speak

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-05-2018 07:25PM

buried wrote: »

You get a hard border you are going to lose the peace anyways though. But this time, The British establishment will not give a tuppeny's donkeys arse what sort of trouble is going on. The powers over there don't care what sort of infrastructure or society is being moulded up in the north of their own country, never mind what could be happening across the Irish sea. The small inner city Loyalist death squads won't be backed up by Tally Ho colonial-mindset British security spooks this time. Most of them lads are either dead or 98 years old now. They criminals will be on their own. Plus the farmers of a Unionist mindset up in the north won't be a wet weekend within a Brexit reality when they'll be demanding they want out once they see how it's going to decimate their pockets. Their already doing that as we speak

You want constant news reports every night about men from both sides of the divide being found up laneways and country roads with their heads blown off

I am old enough to remember this

Enough is enough

Dubh Geannain · 23-05-2018 07:26PM

Remember it needs support on both sides of the border. There was a time when people were more romantic about the idea of Nationhood. We are well down the route of Globalisation at this stage that economic arguments will likely trump all else when you get down to brass tax.

PAST - Majority in the Republic but not the North would like to see a United Ireland. The North is so much wealthier that it'd be economic suicide for them to reunify anyway.
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Somewhere in here a poll maybe has the best chance of passing
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FUTURE - Majority in the North but not the Republic would like to see a United Ireland. The Republic is so much wealthier that it'd be economic suicide for them to reunify.

buried · 23-05-2018 07:27PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You want constant news reports every night about men from both sides of the divide being found up laneways and country roads with their heads blown off

I am old enough to remember this

Enough is enough

Chillax the pants Sept man, I don't want to see that $hit either. But I'm resigned to the fact there will be a hard border, and that happens it will kick off again.

This is the nature and result of the grim situation our island has been landed in.

VinLieger · 23-05-2018 07:28PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I believe any unification would be financially supported by the Brits for a period as a type of “severance” pay. There is a lot of British guilt over the mess they created on this island. I would welcome reunification but it’s probably a way off yet.

There is no british guilt about the mess they made here, its very conveniently skipped over in their school curriculum and because of that the vast majority of english people have zero clue about it so i seriously i doubt there would be any public support for a kind of severance package as you call it

23-05-2018 07:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's the point of reunification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88-qgHh31bw

VinLieger · 23-05-2018 07:30PM

flatty wrote: »

I can't believe what people are writing here. I'd happily pay 5% more tax to reunify the country. I'm appalled.

I pay enough tax thanks very much, if NI want back in they need to figure out how to pay their own way.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-05-2018 07:31PM

buried wrote: »

Chillax the pants Sept man, I don't want to see that $hit either. But I'm resigned to the fact there will be a hard border, and that happens it will kick off again.

This is the nature and result of the grim situation our island has been landed in.

Very few who were involved in it and who remember it wants to go back there

buried · 23-05-2018 07:33PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Very few who were involved in it and who remember it wants to go back there

You'll see plenty of them on the 12th of July coming up who would gladly go back to it.

RobertKK · 23-05-2018 07:39PM

VinLieger wrote: »

There is no british guilt about the mess they made here, its very conveniently skipped over in their school curriculum and because of that the vast majority of english people have zero clue about it so i seriously i doubt there would be any public support for a kind of severance package as you call it

That is true, they had a show about Queen Victoria on British TV, and people in the UK were shocked over how bad the Irish famine was.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-03-08/viewers-were-shocked-by-victorias-brutally-honest-depiction-of-the-potato-famine/

Pawwed Rig · 23-05-2018 07:42PM

I think we would want a cash incentive to take it over along with guaranteed preferential trade deals for decades to come.
Aternatively a phased transfer over the next 100 years or so.

23-05-2018 07:46PM

Normally, no. But every current Brexit outcome will harm the border counties anyway, so in the long run, I think a reunification could be better.

Unfortunately, a pack of mongrels will be violent about it if it happens.

bear1 · 23-05-2018 08:20PM

Does anyone foresee (regarding Brexit) any hard border? By that I mean actual infrastructure on the border?
If yes, would it not be this that would start to sway the unionists to start thinking of unification?
I just can't see it happening, the dup would kick and scream their way out of it.
Then Dublin becoming the capital of the entire island would surely piss off all unionists.
Then the flag.. Jesus the flag.
Telling them they need to take the euro, pay our motor tax rates or insurance rates.
How much would all this cost the Irish taxpayer?
Then the Irish language stuff.
Massive can of worms.

blinding · 23-05-2018 08:24PM

riffmongous wrote: »

The weather is never like that in Ireland :P;):P

23-05-2018 08:40PM

blinding wrote: »

The weather is never like that in Ireland :P;):P

You think something might be up with that photo? :eek::p

fergus1001 · 23-05-2018 08:44PM

when the budget deficit goes from 12 billion pounds to zero then we will talk about it untill then North Korea, I mean northern Ireland can stay right where it is

steddyeddy · 23-05-2018 08:53PM

Whatever about reunification it's fair to say that the chances of the UK surviving as a political entity post Brexit are slim.

Jeremy Corbyn believes Irish reunification ‘has majority support’

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