The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

Faugheen wrote: »

So if your mother, sister, aunt or someone close to you found themselves in a pregnancy because of rape and wanted a termination, would you say to her that you don't want them to have that here?

Yes or no answer please.

The bizarre thing is that a lot of pro-life individuals would favour an abortion in certain circumstances.

They know that voting No will continue to leave these hard cases in the dark, they will mostly flat out refuse to admit it, but it's common sense.

If you are in favour of an abortion for certain individuals then common logic would dictate the voting to remove the 8th so that legislation can be lobbied and agreed upon for these hard cases.

However they flat out refuse to budge on it because a majority will seemingly abort willy nilly (sticking the middle finger up to genuine mental health issues here IMO) and this is enough to deny the hard cases treatment they need.

Oh but they aren't denying them the treatment, they're just voting No..

To keep the 8th amendment in the constitution..

The very same 8th denying the hard cases treatment

DubInMeath wrote: »

Your grabbing at straws here lad, abortion is legal under restrictive conditions that hurt plenty.

My what?
Abortion is legal under certain circumstances yes. Do you have a point?

I saw a Save the 8th stall in Limerick today that was a "petition against abortion." It seemed like a really odd thing to do while the 8th amendment is still in the constitution. Are they getting ready for what happens next if they lose?

Dressing gown wrote: »

Only banned on Irish soil. Constitutional right to travel to have an abortion.

Irish laws only apply in Ireland.
Shocked. Shocked I tell ya.
Any other bombshells for us?

Michael Healy Rae and Ivan Yates are going to get into a fight one of these days.

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't want the laws that government plan on bringing in.
You use rape as it is convenient for your argument, you would not use the case of a woman who maybe had an affair behind her husband's back and got pregnant and use abortion as a mean to cover it up as it wouldn't suit the argument you want to evoke.
The constitution could have been changed to limit it to things like rape, but the proposed law covers things like the above which is far away from rape.
So Yes but not under what the government is proposing, so I will vote No.

Tell us Bob.

How would rape be tested for? If a woman came to a doctor seeking an abortion due to rape, what happens next? Do tell.

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't want the laws that government plan on bringing in.
You use rape as it is convenient for your argument, you would not use the case of a woman who maybe had an affair behind her husband's back and got pregnant and use abortion as a mean to cover it up as it wouldn't suit the argument you want to evoke.
The constitution could have been changed to limit it to things like rape, but the proposed law covers things like the above which is far away from rape.
So Yes but not under what the government is proposing, so I will vote No.

Please tell us how the law could have been changed to account for rape? No side are great at saying changes can be made but not so good at saying what these changes are

Peadar mentioned voting against the protection of life during pregnancy act because he was against the 14 years in prison.

If he's really against that, then why isn't he voting to repeal the 8th Amendment??

The 8th equates equal right to life of the unborn, meaning terminating it, for instance with the use of abortion pills, is homicide. That's the penalty. You can't have it both ways.

If you think abortion is murder, which you have a right to if you wish, then you must support putting these women away along with all the other murderers. If you don't think it's serious enough to warrant a 14-year custodial sentence, then you should want to remove that from the constitution

swampgas wrote: »

Yeah, the whole "daft Irish constitution bans most abortions in this paragraph but a few lines later guarantees the right to travel abroad for any abortion at all" gets harder and harder to wave way, doesn't it?

It specifies that this is the exact same as every other law in Ireland... it only applies in Ireland.
Is that really so confusing?

8-10 wrote: »

Peadar mentioned voting against the protection of life during pregnancy act because he was against the 14 years in prison.

If he's really against that, then why isn't he voting to repeal the 8th Amendment??

The 8th equates equal right to life of the unborn, meaning terminating it, for instance with the use of abortion pills, is homicide. That's the penalty. You can't have it both ways.

If you think abortion is murder, which you have a right to if you wish, then you must support putting these women away along with all the other murderers. If you don't think it's serious enough to warrant a 14-year custodial sentence, then you should want to remove that from the constitution

In the UK the penalty is up to life imprisonment for an illegal abortion.

Wesser wrote: »

Simon keeps doing this slitty eye thing. Whats that about . Does he hate everyone?

I thought it was the Greeks he was after.