The 8th amendment referendum - part 4

seamus

TL17 wrote: »

Why. Would it upset you

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

railer201

Harris played a blinder tonight - no bullsh1t - just called it as it is.

tigger123

Harris barn-stormed that.

Huntergonzo

pjohnson wrote: »

Her, Cora, McGuirk, Waters......I gotta say I really enjoy the no side. I really doubt its for the reason they want mind :pac:

Waters in particular is brilliant, I'd love to go for a pint with him, he's as mad as a sack of monkeys on cocaine!

Larbre34

The No side were calling him out for months. Turns out he was being kept to spring from the bench in injury time and burst the back of the net. Jokes on them...

Huntergonzo

Larbre34 wrote: »

The No side were calling him out for months. Turns out he was being kept to spring from the bench in injury time and burst the back of the net. Jokes on them...

And where the fúck where they when Harris turned up???

Itssoeasy

seamus wrote: »

TL17 wrote: »

Why. Would it upset you

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

Or you see it everyday. It's not the worst thing.

_Kaiser_

seamus wrote: »

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

Do we really think she did... Or was it a soundbite for the telly

Hmm..

FrancieBrady

No side had their foots in their mouths from the get go. One after another they were rebutted and ran into brick walls when trying to tease out the logic of ther position. Healy Eames being a case in point, but you also had Trevor, Peadar and Anscough delivering too.

Sherlock and Steen know the game is over.

tigger123

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

LuckyLloyd

Brilliant! Delighted with that. Harris played a blinder.

Itssoeasy

Larbre34 wrote: »

The No side were calling him out for months. Turns out he was being kept to spring from the bench in injury time and burst the back of the net. Jokes on them...

So Simon Harris is Steve heighway ?

uptherebels

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

Damage limitation, won't sink faster if you stop making the hole bigger

Balmed Out

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Peader Tobin hasn't been good tonight but at least he had the balls to stand behind his opinion - I don't agree with his No opinion but at least he turned up

I thought he boxed clever to be honest. Their not trying to switch voters at this stage their aiming at the undecided.
I would imagine most undecided are people who are to some degree anti abortion, its a which is the lesser of two evils - allowing abortion or exporting the problem and not providing the care many women need.
Tobin aimed constantly to present repealing the eight as killing an unborn child and Harris let him away with it.
Rather than getting into a debate as to when a foetus becomes a child or when it deserves human rights Harris concentrated on providing care to women, controlling our own problems, trusting women to do the right thing etc.

Thought both did very well but perhaps Harris a little better, I did think Miriam came across as less than impartial at times and often using emotive language to Harris.

fxotoole

RobertKK wrote: »

So Simon Harris says the greatest protector of the unborn are mothers as he wants to bring in abortion to allow more unborn to be not born.

Abortion is already in. Women are already getting abortions. Voting no won't stop this from happening.

meeeeh

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

Because they realized Steen is their best debater so they sneakily pulled Cora Sherlock and hoped they can replace her with Maria Steen. RTE said they are not going to play games and that Steen was already on the programme last week so she is out.

LuckyLloyd

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

When you figure you're about to lose you set it up to scream conspiracy?

AlexisM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

Go look up videos of knee replacement surgery.

Violent, gruesome and disturbing doesn't begin to describe it.

Why someone thinks watching videos of a surgical procedure is a good idea is beyond me. Unless you're a student doctor.

Do we really think she did... Or was it a soundbite for the telly

Hmm..

She wrote in the Irish Times a few months ago that, as a 15 year old she held her mother's miscarried 13 week old foetus.  What mother allows THAT?

_Kaiser_

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

As someone said, the most logical reason is that they think that by staying quiet now the Yes voters will get complacent and not turn out on the day, assuming it to be a done deal.

I think it'll be close enough as elections and referendums tend to bring out the older more conservative voters in droves, whereas many younger people can't be bothered with the effort - someone else will do it. Be grand!

Regardless of what side you come down on, it's important you get out on Friday.

Larbre34

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

Because its going very very badly for them and they are scrambling to put together a recovery strategy that they have about 36 hours to deliver?

And of course it will be painted as the broadcasters' fault.

The edifice doth crumble.

Coillte_Bhoy

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Peader Tobin hasn't been good tonight but at least he had the balls to stand behind his opinion - I don't agree with his No opinion but at least he turned up

Thought he started well but faced, still i thought he did allright and im a Yes voter but as you say at least he's prepared to defend his pov, seems genuine enough too.

swampgas

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

Because when put on the spot in a live debate on TV in front of the country, they can't run away from the hard questions. Rape. FFA.

And when asked the hard questions, they won't give an answer, because they know their answer is simply unacceptable to most of their audience.

They're morally bankrupt.

It wasnt me123

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Do we really think she did... Or was it a soundbite for the telly

Hmm..

Actually I've heard the same "I saw a video of an abortion and its horrific" from the No side before so possibly out of their handbook.

More debate on TV3 with Ivan and Matt.

I can't wait till its a Yes on SAturday.

pjohnson

AlexisM wrote: »

She wrote in the Irish Times a few months ago that, as a 15 year old she held her mother's miscarried 13 week old foetus.  What mother allows THAT?

One that creates a Katie Ascough.....nuff said.

_Kaiser_

AlexisM wrote: »

She wrote in the Irish Times a few months ago that, as a 15 year old she held her mother's miscarried 13 week old foetus.  What mother allows THAT?

I think she has a very active imagination and a proven record of being somewhat economical with the truth.. Can't imagine any mother allowing a young teen to do something like that?

But if it's true.. Jaysus!

gctest50

tigger123 wrote: »

Anyone any idea why the No side are backing out of these debates?

Starting to realise they were misled and want to change their mind ?

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

No side had their foots in their mouths from the get go. One after another they were rebutted and ran into brick walls when trying to tease out the logic of ther position. Healy Eames being a case in point, but you also had Trevor, Peadar and Anscough delivering too.

Sherlock and Steen know the game is over.

Another win for the No side , although not as comprehensive as the last one.

Harris came across like a smarmy transition year student In a school debate.

This will be close.

Itssoeasy

Lads if you haven't already had enough debate about the. 8th amendment Micheal Healy Rae is on the tonight show on tv3.

DOS

DOS wrote: »

She was informing herself. Nothing wrong with that.

give her a few years and she'll be like the mad mother in CARRIE!! between her and Maria FRANKEN-steen, I dont know who's worse.

Oh wait the dodgy smarmy bearded LAWYER!! He's a repeat attendee, should change his name from Lorcan to LURKING!

EagererBeaver

DOS wrote: »

EagererBeaver wrote: »

An absolute embarrassment of a human being.

She was informing herself. Nothing wrong with that.

No, she wasn't. She was trying to conjure up a particularly gruesome image to influence voters. You know, just in case they thought an abortion consisted of everyone sitting around singing kum bay ya and cracking open the champers.

She has made similar claims before, so I'm not sure where this concept of owing it to herself in the last few weeks is coming from.